My question to the community is that - Should we still endorse/recommend/advertise cloudbet?
1. if you want people to answer a question, don't hide it deep below a long post, I almost didn't find it  My bad, now it's at the top with highlighting  2. "we as a community" don't endorse any service (well, maybe Bitcoin itself). Individuals do. I rewrote my question. Thank you. |
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My questions to the community:
1. Should we individuals in Bitcointalk still endorse / recommend / advertise cloudbet?
2. What happen if anyone endorse / recommend / advertise cloudbet?
Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal unsolvedThere are more... I also posted the users who are advertising cloudbet even while they have all these open scam accusation but unfortunately the post was deleted however here is the copy. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Kriptopsina left me a message and updated his post Hey. Sorry for my english, this is not my native language. I saw the topic of fraud at cloudbet and your message about my recall. It is very bad that they behave this way. It is unexpected for me. I won two free contests from this company and translated topics with contests to the Russian-speaking forum thread. I thought it was interesting. Today I indicated in my topics that the community is suspected of fraud, and asked users not to transfer their money to them. Post in Russian from one of my topics ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098825.msg49286273#msg49286273) BHИMAHИE!
B дaнный мoмeнт к кoмпaнии Cloudbet пpeдъявлeны cepьeзныe oбвинeния в нeyплaтe бoльшиx выигpышeй. Пoэтoмy я нe coвeтyю вaм (дo oкoнчaния paccлeдoвaния) внocить cpeдcтвa нa cчeтa кoмпaнии. Учacтиe в кoнкypce бecплaтнoe, пoэтoмy нe pиcкyйтe cвoими дeньгaми. ( cм. oтзывы в trust)
Я являюcь вceгo лишь пepeвoдчикoм opигинaльнoй тeмы нa дoбpoвoльныx нaчaлax и нe имeю ни мaлeйшeгo oтнoшeния к дaннoй кoмпaнии, нo являюcь пoклoнникoм иx БECПЛATHЫX кoнкypcoв, пpизepoм кoтopыx yжe cтaнoвилcя caм. Translate: ATTENTION!
At the moment, Cloudbet has been seriously accused of not paying big wins. Therefore, I do not advise you (until the end of the investigation) to deposit funds into the company's accounts. Participation in the competition is free, so do not risk your money. (see reviews in trust
I am just a translator of the original topic on a voluntary basis and have no relation to this company, but I am a fan of their FREE contests, the winner of which has already become. Do you think this is enough? I just checked but can not see the warning message anymore. krogothmanhattan left me a message and acknowledged Yeah I just read that they are being accused of being scammers. I did not know that. Will stay away from them. Thanks
I hope he will update his topic or completely remove any recommendation for cloudbet. Hhampuz - I guess already done. hilariousandco - Is he just ignoring everything? I still see his endorsement in his topic. As a global moderator that's something very wrong.
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Thanks FrueGreads. I will just wait for there respond. Yes I just hope they will pay me and just move on and be happy.
Albert
Still you are waiting for their response? How long you will? There are a lot of people are telling you to take legal aid. If you want to wait more time then it's up to you however I would suggest you to hear some of the people here who really do not have any hidden agenda to suggest you what to do and what not to do. You really need to take legal aid. PS: Still you have not posted the txs and also a signed message? Can you at-least explain the reason of not to? Thanks. == By the way I wonder where are all these DTs except Lauda and marlboroza? Thanks Lauda and marlboroza for taking part in the conversation however where are the rest? I do not see them engaging in the conversation. Is there any hidden agenda? I also see people are still endorsing cloudbet even a global moderator. Why are the DTs so silent here? |
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Hello mate, can I apply on this one. I am already in another campaign of yours which I am expecting to have payment today however I feel good with Bitcoin paying campaigns and I am guessing it's will be a long term one. Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468Current Amount of Posts: 3037 SegWit eligible BTC Address: bc1qhuvnlu4nme326m02r52dv5y42clcqv29u5g6su Thanks for considering mate. PS: I have earned all the merit and stuffs.
Update I will change avatar, sig and anything else that will be needed once accepted. |
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Not everybody wants their addresses and transactions published publicly on internet forums. Its not a matter of being brainwashed, its a matter of choice for whatever reasons and should be respected. Anyways, lets wait and see how Cloudbet responds.
It make sense. OP then can ask help from someone in the forum who is at-least a member in this forum to create an investigation topic in the investigations board. He can then give him the TXs and signed message so that the other guy can post it on behalf of him. I will be more than happy to create one topic for him to post those TXs and signed messages if he wants. Only the forum members who are at-least Member (rank) can see that topic. |
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@OP,
As others said, there's nothing to hide here and signing message doesn't really need anyone's (especially cloudbet's) concerns but it should be your priority to give it immediately as it'll help you a lot in your case here and cloudbet will be proven (somehow) guilty trying to steal away your wins.
I am not sure who brainwashed OP with this thought that posting tx or signing a message using the bitcoin address is very personal. OP needs to understand that blockchain is an open ledger. A transaction can easily be traced. Signing the message and posting the tx addresses can give OP all the advantages of proving that he really is the real owner of that account and couldbet can not keep saying their BS. There will be no question left for his ownership after that. |
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And what happens if the funds were deposited from an exchange? I am not privy to this information, only the OP can say. Nonetheless, the 2fa and email confirmation is more than enough.
OP can confirm it. However if the theory of sending back the btc where it came from works then OP just needs to confirm which address he want the 330 BTC back. Send that BTC back there. PS: Anyone who deposit that much money should use their own wallet not an exchange or third-party wallet which private key is not his own.
update: I will wait what will Ronnie/Cloudbet will say. Then ill do it. I will wait for his reply. My documents, the 2FA the email verification I guess is enough. But if they need something more, please tell me and tell me ASAP. Thank you
Awesome.
Update Archived: http://archive.is/IUgCM |
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Bazinga442 - There have been several people from different territories contacting us via different channels to claim ownership of the account, with varying degrees of evidence provided. That's about as detailed as I can be without disclosing private information about the account in question unfortunately.
I'll post an update ASAP.
Thanks,
Ronnie @ Cloudbet
I give you a simple solutions. Let me know the risk of accepting it:OP deposited several times. 1. If the sending address is same every-time then just send back the 330 BTC to that address. 2. If the sending addresses are not same then ask OP to sign messages with few of these addresses. Randomly pick 4 to 5 address and ask him to sign those addresses. If even he can sign 2 to 3 addresses that means those addresses are his. Ask OP to which address to send. Send back the 330 BTC to that address. PS: Here is always a chance for you (the cloudbet system) to create a false transaction with one of your address in the back office and claim that this was the deposit address and send the BTC back there for transparency. To prevent this, we need OP to post the tx IDs here so that we exactly know his addresses. We already have the timing of his deposit history here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.msg49597101#msg49597101OP: Let us know if you know how to sign a message to prove ownership of a Bitcoin address. Archive: http://archive.is/RaBQT
update: New archive: http://archive.is/3XvAt |
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To prove what? To who? Why and how that will help the case?
To prove that he is the one who deposit those coins?
That kind of stuff should be done only by request from the casino only if they needed.
Requested by randoms and the time wasting for providing it which will not affect anything is annoying time wasting.
Ok now you are changing your direction. Before you said not to post private information now you have no problem with that when you learnt that the information are not private. What are you trying to achieve from here? When OP puts this information then it creates a log in the world wide web. If anyone wants to investigate then it will help them to do their own research. This will also help other in the forum to avoid recommending/endorsing/advertising/using Cloudbet. This way the innocent people can be saved. What is wrong with you? Stop trolling instead help the OP to figure out the way to recover his lose if he really lost his coins. Swofty: Please consider. Now can you bring the tx ID for these transactions? All of them if possible. You need to check your wallet whichever it is and need to get the transaction IDs.
Also if you can sign messages from the sent addresses then there will be no doubt in anyone's head that you are standing in a right ground.
If you are right then this people needs to stop so that they can not scam the next person like you. Also these information may help you to get the legal help if you want to. |
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Swofty, do not share private information here in public, especially requested by randoms.
If trusted member or anyone who can actually help with the case request it, you can provide it but not to randoms especially public.
No one is asking for private information. Posting tx ID, signing a message using a bitcoin address is not private. Blockchain is an open ledger which is public to everyone |
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I know we like to usually look at things the other way around for example
If someone knowingly promotes or supports a scam or untrustworthy project we will term those persons untrustworthy and scam supporters.
However what if project willingly is employing or supporting individuals that are PROVEN untrustworthy and dishonest or even perhaps prior scammers??
Should then we class them as untrustworthy projects and therefore risky and dangerous to become involved with and perhaps even our duty as honest members to alert other members to this danger?
Can you not only vote but can answer and provide full reasoning behind your reply.
Let's not discuss individual cases here.
And who is going to define untrustworthy? I have 4 red tags. Is it defining that I am untrustworthy? Trust and untrust is highly subjective. If a project find what they need from a person then they should be hiring them nonetheless they have red trust or not. They are paying their own money not yours or mines. So let them decide who they should pick. By the way this does not mean that you do not leave a feedback (negative) if the project has clear intention to scam. |
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Awesome. Thanks guys for the information. I am locking the topic.
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This is my deposit: https://imgur.com/a/uq8IkzHThis is my withdrawal: https://imgur.com/a/C54o9eC330 btc was rejected. 20 btc still pending. And by the way, they blocked me. So i dont have access anymore. As you can see i got 310 btc balance. Then 20 btc being pending. Nothing but the truth. I just want to withdraw. And be happy Quoted for reference. The reality is - there are people here who will say that this screenshots can be altered which is true. You need to give us solid information. This screenshots in one sense is going to work to verify the timing of the deposits (I understand the time zone differences but still it will work) Now can you bring the tx ID for these transactions? All of them if possible. You need to check your wallet whichever it is and need to get the transaction IDs. Also if you can sign messages from the sent addresses then there will be no doubt in anyone's head that you are standing in a right ground. |
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Do you have proof of your account balance?
This is the only thing OP needs to provide. I really hope that OP sent the fund from a Legacy address so that he can sign a message too from the sent address if asked. @game-protect: On the process, I would ask you to keep everything documented so that the community get a transparent scenario. |
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I was going to leave a neutral feedback for the recent case of Cloudbet scam accusations. This was my text for the user on the feedback page. Open scam accusation. The user needs to address this or after certain time this will become a negative tag.
Tag will also change depend on the outcome of the case.
Anyone should be avoiding endorsing/affiliating them until the case resolved. But when I wanted to post it gave me this error. Comment too longThen I had to reduce the contents. Open scam accusation. The user needs to address this or after certain time this will become a negative tag.
Anyone should be avoiding endorsing/affiliating them until the case resolved. I am not following the updates of meta from last few days. When did it happen and how long is the character limit now? Thanks in advance. |
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Just noticed a topic in the gambling Discussion board created by hilariousandco. The topic name used to be Bitcointalk's English Premier League Football Pool |£25 to join Pot @ £375 after looking at the 2nd post of the topic but now it says, Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread. Is there any affiliation/endorsement with Cloudbet on that topic? Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20190205111219/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4479837.0In my opinion the actions from Cloudbet has doubt. Until they have anything to tell here we should be avoiding any kind of affiliation/endorsement for Cloudbet. True.
So how you are going to handle it?
I'm going to wait for Cloudbet to respond publicly here (hopefully) and then re-evaluate. Obviously if they ignore their accusation for a longer amount of time, then I'll tag them.
I've just noticed that they've received several tags already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563
Update: So now this contest is sponsored by cloudbet, really?
So far this is the information I was able to grab but no confirmation yet. Update: Do you guys see this: So now this contest is sponsored by cloudbet, really? I think it's different and I send the entrance fee again  do I have to ask it to be returned or how?  I didn't get any response, if it can't be returned it doesn't matter to me. I just want to know what your response is. <snip> That happened because I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4863740.0I think it's different from this one, and I want to participate in both but it turns out that it's the same Pool. because at first the title of this thread is different, but after I see it again it has changed and both are the same. Another topic titling Cloudbet: https://web.archive.org/web/20190205111156/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4863740.0I can not find any response yet on the topic. |
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-snip-
But if the terms says no KYC then asking for the KYC is not following the terms which is not right practice.
Any business can request you to verify yourself when money is involved with or without KYC in their terms. Is it something I agree? No, I despite KYC and AML but it is just the way that things are now.Heads up. We are victime of centralized system. I am glad that blochchain is evolving. True.
So how you are going to handle it?
I'm going to wait for Cloudbet to respond publicly here (hopefully) and then re-evaluate. Obviously if they ignore their accusation for a longer amount of time, then I'll tag them.
I've just noticed that they've received several tags already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563Do we watch people keep losing their money? I understand that they are adult but think about this professionally represented, legally binded casinos stealing others money. How do we stop it?
update: I am not surprised scammers on DT are supporting the casinos, Cloudbet and Fortunejack. They are paid to shill for them.
Please don't bring the DT issue in this topic. Some guy has lost a lot of BTC mate. It's not about the forum, it's not about the DT support etc etc. Find a solution for the guy so that he gets the money back. |
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I read the 2nd link provided by the OP and found several cases of not paying big amounts. Every time they are creating excuses to pay the big amounts. Some times KYC, sometimes multiple accounts etc.
There was no evidence presented here mate, just words, calm your tits scammer.
Calm down mate. For sure you do not know who is right and who is wrong. Don't justify people and label them as scammer. This could be a real story and in that case we have no idea how is this guy feeling. Stop being rude to strangers. Now if you were reading before posting garbage you would have known that I called Bazinga a scammer, a guy who has 100 negative ratings, now go away. Oh sorry mate. My bad. I take my words off. Please excuse me. |
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