Yep. Still alive. But In the ICU...

Pumps are over -read above-. There's no money to take, no matter how gigantic a pump they create. Not even worth it for them to try anymore, there's no money to be taken. So if they pump, they can sell to themselves of remain at the top of the pump. Either way, no one will buy regardless what their sock puppets post. Look at the numbers, they don't lie.

Many, if many read this, will find it shocking: It's over.

Oh, not just for VRC, but for most alts, like 98% of all alts. It is indeed over. Reason? The have killed the Golden Goose. "They" being crooked devs playing in the hands of the Prometheus, Bubsurplus and Black Hands of this mini-world. They took it all, therefore there's nothing left.

While BTC continues progressing, Alts are REGRESSING. There are plenty of interesting projects, still valued at ridiculous market caps, some in the millions, some even in the 10s of millions. It is, and still remains, a very dangerous bubble about to explode any day now. Real "valuations" -since none of them has ANY value at all- are about tpo be set and in accelerated crypto-time. Between 75 and 90% of it all (save for BTC), is going to evaporate like magic, practically overnight, amidst both despair and panic. And this will not just affect VRC, it will affect every other coin out there in variable degrees.

There's no logical reason, at all, for VRC to be valued at $400,000. None/ There's no reason whatsoever for BC to be valued at $1.8 million. None whatsoever to have Litecoin at $118 million and most definitely non whatever to have Doge at almost $20 million, nor Peercoin at $16 million, nor Next at $17 million or Darkcoin at $10 million. The generate absolutely zero income. They produce nothing. No one uses them either. For anything. No one will either, not in the foreseeable future. Not in years, many years. If at all. Ever.

So people is going to sell them. All. First as trying to salvage a part of their initial investment, then, in panic, to salvage ANYTHING at all. And they will park their money in BTC... permanently. Until they can trade it for profits, that kind of "permanently".

But everyone already has found out that, like thgey say where I come from, "you cannot steal where there's nothing". There's nothing left in crypto. New, more than promising projects, are brought daily to the dray and the collect between 50 and 100BTC... if they are really promising. Most are gone within one or two weeks. Rest languish a bit longer doing "trading around 1 BTC per day. Or less. That's buying AND selling both. Top of the Bittrex page, between 20 and 60 BTC volume. Both ways. And it's mostly Prometheus, bobsurplus and his minions, and what's left of the Black Hand. Individuals are left with pocket change... if that. And no money whatsoever is coming in the way of cryptos. It is, like I said, over.

So be prepared to soon see VRC at 1,000 sat and lower, BC around the same. And similar haircuts across the board. And, if you manage to salvage any BTC of have a bit of cash hanging around, feel around $300 per BTC a compelling enough price and you want to risk it in alts, you will be more than welcome to buy any of those mentioned and many others, like 500 others, at prices that you now refuse to believe... be advised though: You may no0t lose your investment buying at those levels... if you are quick on the button and sell on rebounds; but other than 10-20% rebounds, be prepared to have your money parked for a long, long time.

And yes MAD, you can ALSO quote me on that.

Hes a jr and you are a newvie and all of a sudden you are "we"? How peculiar indeed...

Ok, first the obvious, flashing red lights I'm sure you are quite aware of:
1.- Self-moderated thread. ALWAYS, no exceptions, there's only one reason for them, to hide the truth. ALWAYS. But in the case of Zimbeck, a BlackCoin guy, juust remember that, after the spectacular failure of closing the initial, unmoderated thread, they have come back and reopen it, so he is well aware of the pitfalls of the self-moderated one and yet... well, not good for his kind of business, to be open to obvious criticisms. And, very especially, not good for his employers.

2.- Check the enthusiasts posting on their thread. 9 out of ten newbie accounts or jr accounts. 9 out of 10. Draw your own conclusions...

Look, Zimbeck was so deep in debt that, per his own confessions, the stress was affecting his work... he is the Black Halo guy, no matter if the BC community has given him money or not to develop it. Rat4 sells his tech and services to anyone, why wouldn't Zimbeck, right? BlackCoin, with or without Black Halo, is a stagnant/death project, impossible to make money there for the Black Hand or any other group, be it Prometheus, Borsurplus of whatever. So ONLY logical option left is BitBay. Hype it enough, invest a bit on it, and the sheep will indeed follow. I'm going to venture it is the Black Hand performing the same number they performed many times in BlackCoin, but it can be Bobsurplus, Plometheus or even a combo of all or some of them. What I know is that it is a pump move sure to be dump to oblivion in due time. Still young, still valued at a fraction of BC, which itself -being "everything BitBay is and much more"- is a dying proposition, has been for many months, so expect some, mild, fireworks to happen soon... No matter what, don't be blinded by the fake figures, they didn't raise 3,000 BTC, they just pretended they did. No one, this side of James and Buterin, is going to raise no 3,000 BTC, not even 300 BTC nowadays even if they come up with a REAL, invention that is the best thing since sliced bread. There's simply no liquidity out there to support it. It's all games played by people who has made tons of money in the past scamming people in alts, trying desperately to do it again... at a much lower level.

That, in summation, is BitBay for you. And the reason it is prac tically impossible to keep on pumping is because there's no one else with any money for it to be pumped to. That's why it remains very close to the ipo price. My guess is the failed investors will indeed cash out very soon, while there's still some profit, however small, to be made. Not even for them is there a future there. DOA.

Who is "we"?

So far I have only found positives in safron. I believe it can be greatly improved and having to download a bloated blockchain to install the GREAT full version of the wallet IS a problem indeed, but in general is much better project that 99% out there... and thats why i made a modest investment in it.

Curious, really curious about who is "we" since I dont find a whole lot of projects to praise in scam-ridden alt world...

Has he, really? Have you compared the price of the ico with the market?

Anyway you are just too gulible my friend. And obviously not aware of what goes on nowadays in scam-crypto. Im on phone now so i will expand later. Just this glimpse: no oyher coin before has had so many red flags or shadier environment. Later.

Hoping for the impossible to happen will get you nothing. Stooges have been maxed out for months now...

By the way talking again decentralized exchages and the likes, have you seen what black halo has brought ti black coin? There's a clear and loud lesson there....

You are misinformed: I bought and have sold 3 of the 4 set of "pants" I bought... for a profit! Can you believe it? I thoroughly plan on buying more around 3700 and below. It may turn out that i'll make a "winner" out of VRC after all?

Of course I would need to do that again about 30 more times but who knows, right?

At what level do you plan on jump ship? Or is it a life-of-the-project commitment? Not much left to be salvaged ah?

Some individuals are NOT fellow human beings. And every glass eventually fills up.

Although I for one keep quite up to date with the going ons of VRC, and respond to any and all questions from visitors, this thread doesn't intend to be a basic information place on VRC but rather a FREE, UNCENSORED place for healthy, adult discussion on matters that pertain to VRC. As nsuch, when there's ANY and ALL positive news about the project, I promise I will comment on those here as well.

Sadly, jerking off with the wallet, though I understand for pants-boy is earth-shattering good news, is not even a side show. If someone wants to buy the best wallet in crypto, it is very easy: Saffron has it. You can get it for peanuts or even free.

If you make that statement singular, instead of plural, You would be absolutely spot on indeed.

I thought you got a job???

You are, of course, more than welcome to expose your shortcomings here any day of the week, doubly on Sunday.

The decentralized marketplace is simply the last fad, just like "anon" was a few months back, or the dark at the end of any name or the connection with pot/cannabis/marihuana or the porno world, or the 100% yearly interest, remember? People in crypto, in general of course, are just blinded by greed and if "anon" seems to sell, they quickly demand anon in their coin, no matter what.

There's not just no future in that, there's not even a close, brief future in it.

Problem is not me finding "fishy" problem is YOU accepting something that is fishy no matter how it smells or how much evidence that it is in fact fishy is presented.

Not interested any longer in that line of conversation. Read or don't, up to you. But the subject, as far as I am concerned, has already been thoroughly exposed. Over and out.

^^^^ Example of a verileader... do I need to say more?

The verileaders idea, though, is a very good one... if you have leaders. VRC doesn't have a single one, sadly.

I cannot choose for you what you so peculiarly and selectively choose to read.

As for being concerned, that doesn't mean I don't believe the path can be reversed. As a matter of fact the reason for my investment is precisely based on my belief that it can. And will. I just question -exactly like I would have questioned Weiner and Bitsta months ago-, if Julian Yap can be the engine for the turnaround. The markets obviously believe he's not. And, now, so do I, that's all.

Your offer to buy my modest investment is duly appreciated... and re-directed towards the current market. It would do a lot of good since there don't seem to be a lot of buyers.

Oh and it is "question" and "expose facts", not "bitching", for your further information.

Music, really? Humm, interesting thought... indeed.

As for me concerned about BK? Nah, just worried about my modest investment -yep, that one that you don't believe in, in spite of how easy it is to prove otherwise- and rationalizing why BK cannot afford to let it die without giving it a real fight.

I understand your feelings as a crusader, I do. But as a close substitute, I firmly encourage you to just ignore me. For the sake of efficiency. I promise I will do the same, fair deal?

So selling down to 8 is not stupid, selling below 8 is stupid and if they continue selling lower, even below 7 is really stupid, right? Or how does stupid exactly works?

Funny.

Now you've done it... the charge will include you in no uncertain terms. The shouts for moderated forum will mount heavily... and the result will be equal, or worse, than they were for PINk and BC  -which has reopen the old one, what an irony...-. Either way, chickens will come home to roost eventually and also eventually, rats will start jumping ship soon enough.

As for BK, I believe it is very much in his interest to really find an efficient solution in NAUT before any backlash affects not just his book sales but his reputation in the real world. It isn't an easy position he has locked himself in, indeed.