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Oh, I would absolutely love a single package/installer/binary which installs/runs everything to start p2poolmining! And yes, the current approach with python, modules, p2pool, bitcoind, blockchain and sharechain seems too complicated to pack into one block.. So yes, I see your point in a complete redesign. I dont know enough about the inner workings of all that (monolithic? libraries? dynamic linking?) to decide for or against c, python, modular, monolithic etc.
However I would, at this point, prefer to not integrate p2pool into satoshi client. Maybe integrate a bitcoin client/daemon into p2pool, but the default should be two independent programs.
The current events with rc1, rc2, mandatory updates in quick order and many unstable or not working combinations give me a bad feeling about merging the two to a single, standard client..
What would be the way to make a new, better p2pool version? One program which has everything included (graphs, dependencies)? It wouldnt make a big difference if its C or python then. There is that python-to-exe version too, for windows, apparently?
People would still need bitcoind (if you dont integrate that). People still need a miner (if you dont integrate that). People still need the radeon "runtime". It sounds like a gigantic project to deliver an all-in-one download-doubleclick-mine solution..
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Haha it gets better and better! Nice way to start a new week at work! I seriously had a hard time not laughing loud, reading that last few pages.
For a short moment I thought about making some notes about some, uh, more special users/socks here. To not accidently waste more than a few seconds on them in the future. But then I cant imagine to not get a grin on my face whenever reading "cryptoanarchist" somewhere..
By now I would actually pay to see you. I wouldnt even need to touch you, just watching you, laughing you in your face from time to time, maybe reciting some selected "statements" of you. In a bar or horse stable, whatever you prefer.
Matthew: Impressive stamina!
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Should we start a bounty to get this recoded in C/C++? Not sure if there is one already, I remember mention of it earlier. Either pure C, or C++ in the same coding style and using the same libs as bitcoind.
Start a bounty, link it here, people will pay in. The point is.. Who will program it? There is a reason why forrestv chose python, he himself probably will not switch the programming language and start from scratch. So, are we willing to let some unknown guy program it, giving him power over 300+gh and hundreds of nodes and their wallets? How well known and trusted would that programmer have to be? And if someday a new version from a trusted programmer exists, it will take months of testing on testnet before we should throw then 1th on it ;-) So yes, I still say "do that bounty!", but it might prove quite complicated.. Did you see the 1100+ BTC bounty for a new forum software? Over 4 months old now.. Other approach: If we had many programming hours (bounty for additional programmers?) to throw at the current p2pool: What would we want changed and updated? Only the graphing part? I dont see any fundamental problems to be solved? Ente |
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Ahahahah, its continuing! *gets buckets full of popcorn*
It would be trivial to pay back the users money. Send back what's left to the initial sender's address, or use the existing backlog, or cancel the backlog and let users make new regular withdrawals. Who are you trying to fool, and why?
This is the funniest thread on bitcointalk since a good while!
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Very true!
I installed a p2pool/bitcoind node on an old notebook, 384mb ram and p3 cpu. It would swap all the time and thus occupy the cpu totally. I didnt even throw any actual miner at it, will switch to a "real" computer next days..
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Am I assuming right that any older p2pool versions now wont mine any more? Then all active miners should have updated by now, so the combined hashingpower should have risen back to its expected value again? It still seems rather low, maybe around 270gh/s? Or did so many miners leave p2pool again? After almost two months of sharp growth, it now slowly falls off? And, well, I know perfectly well how variance works (a I have to explain it over and over again to a friend, every few days), but the current 'luck' stats seem to have kind of a more serious issue than variance?  Whats going on in the last two weeks? Also, the green "blocks" line always stays below the "hashes" line. I guess it would be exactly the opposite if the pool would shrink in the rate it now is growing? I'm not complaining, and of course still mining in p2pool. I just want to see the bigger picture, if there is any. Behind variance. Ente |
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Yep, I had the same phenomenom, bitcoin-qt easily crashes when it is loading the blockchain and is already being molested by p2pool ;-)
bitcoind doesnt seem to crash in that situation, but I wanted to watch the process..
It seems like p2pool does nothing until it can connect to an up-to-date bitcoin instance. I would prefer that it would already connect to the p2pool network and load its share-chain, for example, to save time.
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..Now I got it, I didnt understand the point about coinbase.
Thanks for explaining!
So, any clever calculations about which difficulty you should use, depending on your hasing power?
..And is that /1000 really miner-declared, not node-declared? Hmm..
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Still, you could have 10 miners, which all mine with 10MH/s and requesting different difficulty work. Like 600, 700, 1000, 10000 etc. These 10 miners would together have 100MH/s hashing power.
Besides those 10, you have one big miner (or farm) which hashes with big hashing power. When a block is found, the block is forwarded to one of the 10 miners, depending on which target was solved. If the solved block has a 1150 difficulty, it is forwarded to the "I requested 1000 difficulty"-miner, who receives the payout.
So, I believe the stated solution works only for people who use one miner only.
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He did say the miners' username, not the node's username, which makes me think it's set at the miner level.
I hope the custom share difficulty can be set at node level (too)! What would be sweet would be an option to change it at node level, as well as set a relative difficulty. With a 10gh/s node, you could for example set the difficulty to "global + 30%", so it adjusts by itself whenever the share difficulty changes. Now.. What would be the best difficulty for any node? For example 10 share-blocks per bitcoinblock? If the node adjusts even to that (calculating from own hashing power in relation to whole p2pool as well as p2pool hashing power in relation to whole bitcoin), we would have a working solution for that whole variance problem? Ente |
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I see more GTA and Postal2 players here  hehe How many BTC for a whole day of raining cats? And I hope its fully anonymous.. ;-) Ente |
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Why do you need Python 2.7? I'm running p2pool on 2 debian systems with Python 2.6 just fine. Theres a couple depreciation warnings, but those don't hurt anything.
Uhm, good question.. I dont even remember why I thought I need 2.7 to begin with? I uninstall it now and see if bitcoind and p2pool etc still work.. Thanks for the hint, sometimes the easiest way is the, well, easiest? :-) Ente |
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After banging my head for hours, maybe some of you guys solved this already:
I am on Debian Squeeze, which comes with Python 2.6
I compiled and installed Python 2.7 (which went /usr/local/lib/python2.7)
Now when I install necessary packages via aptitude (like twisted, for example), it is installed for the 2.6 version.
Python --version says 2.7.2 though.
With twisted I got around this by "easy_install Twisted".
Now I still need python-rrdtool. Aptitude says its already there, for 2.6.
easy_install py_rrdtool gives errors. And I didnt find any packages which would compile by hand.
I would gladly kick python 2.6 off altogether. But am sure I will break about every part of that Debian installation with this..
Halp! I need to get the graphs running, before switching to this (lan-) central p2pool node..
tl;dr: Have Python 2.6 and 2.7 installed, cant get 2.7 modules installed.
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Come on people, you seriously consider deleting posts to "unsubscribe" from a thread? Thats plain awful! If everyone would start doing this, ugh!
You can, at least, mark all threads "read" at once. I pick out the ones I read, then mark all left ones read too.
And, if you *must* look up your posts in a thread: Search for your postcount, like "Posts: 185". Ah, screw that, it doesnt work any more. I tried it some weeks ago, and did find all posts from all users with that postcount in that thread, which was only that one user.
*subscribe
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Because they include 0 confirmation transactions and in some rare circumstances unconfirmed double spends.
Uhm, where there any double-spend "attacks" already? Ever? I guess it would only be a "two concurrent transactions are broadcasted", and wouldnt have anything to do with the blockchain at all? Ente |
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London is the #1 city for banking and trading in Europe, by far. If this event has decent media coverage a lot of capital could be entering the bitcoin market.
I'd say the fact that it's quite unknown here in London is an argument to have the conference here. Also, it's well connected to Asia and America.
I don't know what are the expectations for this event though. If it's going to be mostly a get-together, then probably Berlin is better as it's closer to a bigger number of current users.
What you say about London being more of a banking capital seems true. Will that help Bitcoin? Is Bitcoin "grown up" enough to look for contact with the old banking system? Should we ever do something in that direction at all? And finally, even if we decided to do so, what would it change? Walking in all major banks and telling them "Hey, we'll have this awesome conference in a month!"? :-) Unfortunately I didnt attend Praque. But I imagine it is more of a get-together than a coordinated connect-to-the-banks/finance/government.. Ente |
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UPD2:
it's working if wait connected sometimes 20 minutes and sometimes 0 minutes and sometimes "never". very strange and no good.
can someone's debug session stops sending messages to other users?.. who knows implementation of socket.io server?
Same here. Sometimes it takes ages to receive any data, sometimes less than a minute. Totally random, and totally annoying. The 1:: and 2:: pings work straight from the beginning. As soon as I get a response to my channel-connect, data from this channel comes in too. Ente |
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Fuck everything else in town I'd be fucking pissed if it wasn't all-day.
Relax, dude! lol Ente |
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Berlin has without doubt by far the largest Bitcoin community in Europe. Alone because of the potential participiants who live here it would make absolute sense to choose Berlin. Berlin is dead cheap, London is bloody expensive (I've just been there again last week and couldn't believe my restaurant bills  ). This accounts for accomodation, cabs, food, drinks, conference space ... not to mention cigarettes  ! Berlin already has some real world Bitcoin business going on. BTC-payment is already established at a couple of places, including the local hackspace (C-base), one or another bar / restaurant and even a (gay) sauna club, so one can actually go out and eat and drink for Bitcoins. If things go right there will be an actual "Bitcoin-Kiez*" established in a couple of months, meaning an area where many bars and shops accept BTC so you can go out shopping for BTC as well. An upcomming international BTC-conference would support this effort and the local Bitcoin-Kiez* would be a great experience for participants and would also be a great demonstration for the media and show that there are other things than drugs and porn available for BTC and that it actually works and is being used by someone. London on the other hand is a desert when it comes to BTC-retail (zero businesses as of last week as far as I could find out). Regarding media-contacts: we do have them here too and please consider that the only journalist who showed up in Prague came from Berlin, which resulted in a rather big article in the biggest-selling German magazine. Media interest here is increasing (I alone know of more coverage comming up beginning of the new year) and a BTC-conference in Berlin would have full attention of the media and definately get quite some coverage. Yes, London is the biggest banking-place in Europe but that is the kind of banking where BTC precisely does not want to go. Last but not least: Berlin will still be part of Europe next year, the Londoners are not so sure about that (sorry, could not resist ). I'd say first we take Berlin! Joe * "Kiez" is Berliner slang meaning as much as neighbourhood area. I would vote for Berlin due to three main reasons, already mentioned by some people before me:
1) Berlin has a way larger Bitcoin Community. From what it looks like there are more German than UK bitcoin users at least judging by Prague
2) For most continental Europeans, Berlin is easier to reach and easier to pay
3) UK is tough due to visa problems. Quite some of my friends are Russians. They can move freely within Schengen but not to the UK. Thus, it might be a problem for some people to get to London
As in regard to media coverage - if it is really happening in Berlin I should be able to help in this respect. I only have contact to German media, though.
This and that! Covers it best. Berlin has more potential for fun besides the conference (culture and costs wise) and will attract a lot more visitors. I would rather pay some BTC in the pot for paying for some speaker's flights instead of having all visitors pay five times the money they would in Berlin. I believe the conference should be visitor-friendly. Else I could just read some whitepapers and see videos from the conference at home.. Ente (from Berlin) |
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About the "Warning! this bitcoin address contains transactions which maybe double spends. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to/from this address. ":
- ignorant of how p2pool works.
- pathetic.
- discriminating.
- unprofessional.
To sum it up, sod off, blockchain.info.
It happens quite often that I read a post, am annoyed by it, look to the left and see your profilename. Please reduce your rudeness and generally calm down. Ente |
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