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gimme the chips plus a 33% refund, you cheecky bastard.

Naja umso mehr bestellungen vor unserer refunded werden, desto schneller sind wir dran

Will the group for razingbull, zefir, sebastian, steamboat and a few of the others please acknowledge when they received the Full refund from Yifu please posts your comments here? When could we get these Full Refund?

They all seems to stay very quiet in here. When they need the group buy Wow they are highly Active promoting their group buy. But when time to get a refund most of them are very low key.

Have they received the refund from Yifu?

With all the negativity surrounding Avalon right now, it's gratifying to see so many positive posts on this thread.

I just wanted to add my personal thanks to BKKCoins for all the work he's put into this project. I know it hasn't turned out they way we all wanted thanks to Avalon. But that should in no way lessen the accomplishment of this project. BKKCoins achieved much with very limited resources, and I applaud and thank him for it!

Also, I want to say that watching this thread has created a strong interest in me to explore the world of electronics. I've been inspired by this thread to start learning the basics, and have completed quite a few simple projects over the past few weeks. Thank you for that

Sometimes we create something that doesn't work out the way we think it would. Maybe (as in this case), the project is overcome by external factors we have no control over. But often something completely unexpected comes from the project. If *I'VE* been inspired by this effort, who know how many others have been as well?

IMO, this project represents so much more than just Bitcoin miners. It represents courage, skill, determination, and community collaboration. I'm thrilled and honored to have been able to witness this amazing feat.

So again, to everyone involved in this effort, I'd like to say "Thank You" from the bottom of my heart. It's truly been an honor and a privilege.

 

Wie robix schon schreibt scheint Yifu wirklich den kompletten Refund zu bevorzugen. In dem Fall werde ich jetzt wirklich anfangen müssen jedes Mitglied anzuschreiben und zu fragen was gewünscht ist. Aus der Vergangenheit weiß ich aber dass das sehr lange dauern kann bis ich da wirklich den größten Teil der Antworten erhalten habe...

Was passiert wenn am Ende weniger als 10000 Chips gewünscht bleiben müssen wir sehen. Und ich frage mich auch ob es ok ist wenn ich 95% der gezahlten Bitcoins erstatte damit ich nicht ganz auf den angefallenen Kosten und der Arbeit sitzen bleibe.

Ohne Diskussion mit Kunden & der Ansage in nem simplen Post auf nur 50% Refund, Kosten sollen zu 100% Kunden tragen, usw. braucht er sich nicht wundern meiner Meinung das da einige sauer werden. Weiters ist er keine Privatperson und ich denke dies ist schon mal ein das weitere Problem für ihn (DE & EU Gesetze). Er tut auch so wie wenn er jetzt alle bestellten Bauteile wegwerfen müsste 

Final sollen die Kunden den ganzen Schaden zahlen und er wälzt das komplette Risiko ab - das ganze wird noch spannend werden, überhaupt mit Paypal.

Das wird ja interessant da sich der schon bemerkbar gemacht hat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg3031797#msg3031797
Ich mein das ist doch kein Angebot oder Lösung... bzw. mitm Aushandeln scheint er es nicht so zu haben. 50% Refund wird sich auch nicht mit dem deutschem Gesetz vereinbaren lassen.

Glaub Paypals Käuferschutz wird hier sicher zusätzlich schlagend - ist ja nie was geliefert worden. Einfach das komplette Risiko auf den Kunden abladen als Business ist dann auch keine feine Sache. Weiters zu sagen er muss die Boards & Teile alle wegwerfen verrechnet sie wiederrum beim Refund. Naja hab mal sicherheitshalber bei Paypal mein Geld zurückgefordert wenn er es so will. Das ganze ist ein Verkauf an Private, da muss sich eine Firma auch an die Gesetze (DE & EU) halten & die Lösung von Ihm ist keine zufriedenstellende (zur Zeit).

It's probably too late for that, if  he is in the US, some nutter will probably put a bullet in him for ruining their dreams, it will no doubt give Bitcoin a bad name in the back of the tabloids.

It's unlikely any good will come of this.

precisely... i just think most of the buyers bought them to find greater fools on ebay for a quick profit... and for those who genuinely look for ROI good luck with that...

well done fc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

Tossing out a brick to get a jade gem[edit source | editbeta]
(拋磚引玉／抛砖引玉, Pāo zhuān yǐn yù)
Bait someone by making him believe he gains something or just make him react to it ("toss out a brick") and obtain something valuable from him in return ("get a jade gem").

Create something from nothing[edit source | editbeta]
(無中生有／无中生有, Wú zhōng shēng yǒu)
A plain lie. Make somebody believe there was something when there is in fact nothing. One method of using this strategy is to create an illusion of something's existence, while it does not exist. Another method is to create an illusion that something does not exist, while it does.

Take the opportunity to pilfer a goat[edit source | editbeta]
(順手牽羊／顺手牵羊, Shùn shǒu qiān yáng)
While carrying out your plans be flexible enough to take advantage of any opportunity that presents itself, however small, and avail yourself of any profit, however slight.

Obtain safe passage to conquer the State of Guo
    (假道伐虢, Jiǎ dào fá Guó)
    Borrow the resources of an ally to attack a common enemy. Once the enemy is defeated, use those resources to turn on the ally that lent you them in the first place.

This is actually a very good deal from ASICMiner, I am impressed.  Even at today's difficulty and insane growth these look to be at positive RoI in just 52 days.  Even if you use 150% monthly difficulty increases (65-164-411-etc) it hits RoI in under 70 days, and at 200% it's still in 90 days.  This is actually a product I'd buy if I had the money to get 20.

ja ja jaaaaaa -> ach ja noch was Block Erupter Blade 10 gh/s -> 3,5 BTC -> 6 x 3,5 = 21BTC -> 1890€

I can almost guarantee you people will not use "mBTC" in day-to-day usage. Some slang term will emerge. I vote for "bits". It's not consistent with anything, but rolls off the tongue easily. "That's twenty bits for that beer & burger, please".

I believe (and obviously can't support this) that intercepting packets in flight is still too massive a job for any of the three-letter-agencies to be able to do effectively. That doesn't mean that they aren't trying, but the variables involved in how network packets get routed, the amount of traffic, and the difficulty involved in putting all that data together and building a coherent picture from it on a nanosecond by nanosecond basis are most likely still beyond the capability of any organization. That said, of course that doesn't mean that they aren't trying. The question is: how much of the traffic are they able to "read?" Is it 10%? 1%? 0.0001%?

So I agree that anything not encrypted should be *considered* intercepted, but that doesn't mean that other measures shouldn't be put into place as well.

The fact that the TLAs are still issuing orders to companies like Google and Facebook—and Lavamail—indicate that they still need to read email at the endpoints in order for them to reliably get what they want. The advantage to having mail served by a local server is twofold: first, it makes it necessary for them to show up at my location and serve the warrant (or Security Letter) directly to me, so I know that it is happening. Second, it makes that kind of surveillance much more expensive and difficult to keep secret. You might be able to keep Google and Facebook and Apple shut up about what you're doing, but the more people/companies they order to surrender system passwords, the more some of those people will be squawking about it.

Also, it's not just governments (or our own government) that we need to worry about.

Decentralization is not a silver bullet, but it is nevertheless desirable.

The economic brick wall is 28nm.  20nm is beyond rediculously expensive for anyone who doesn't know their own fab (Intel, Samsung).  Nobody is predicting high availability or decent prices of 20nm wagers from any foundry in 2014 either. Nobody (not even Intel) is using 14nm yet, the technical challenges of 10nm haven't even been addresses.   Still even if 20/14/10nm is techincally available what matters in mining is the cost per hash and Bitcoin mining is almost perfectly parallel.  This means a 20nm chip is going to cost MORE than a 28nm one (everything else being the same) until the cost per transistor is lower on 20nm then 28nm.   Usually that takes 2-4 years from process start and it is taking longer and the end benefits are getting smaller (higher NRE, more delays, more complexity, more yield issues, and overall a shrinking gain on the prior process node).  So 20nm SHA-2 ASICs probably won't make sense even in 2015 or 2016 and 14nm isn't even on the map yet (2020?+).



That means for the convieable future 28nm is as good as it gets.  There may be more efficient 28nm designs but that would mean a brand new NRE cost and it would have to be a lot better to make sense (i.e. a company's new chip would need to be so much cheaper (MH/$ and MH/W) that even after a share of the NRE it added it is still a better deal that then existing design).  It remains to be seen if that will happen.  Regardless once everyone is on 28nm and shipping in volume, the market will become highly saturated and mining margins will be a small percentage over electrical cost of the most efficient miners.  Have a less efficient miner, have higher than normal electrical costs, paying for expensive datacenter space expect it to only be a question of how long before your net operating margin goes negative.  Really no different than GPU mining.  Those with excessive electrical costs or poorly though out rigs could only profit marginally when the price/difficulty was high and when it tanked they had to idle or mine at a loss.

Looks like we're all screwed. At least until The Pirate Bay releases Hemlis. 

Setting up "anti-logging" is dead simple. NSA left this handy bash script for debian lying around one of their command & control servers: http://pastebin.com/vyfwkXm8  they also used OpenVZ because apparently forensics on their virtual drives are much more difficult. Doesn't really matter though, not like there won't be logs from the ISP/host of every email that was relayed to you or every ssh login.