It's 2.2 days.

Have you read those leaked emails? Fraser is a mark. He's a super mark. He should have his own Funky Bunch he's such a mark.

Yes, he's financially unsophisticated and way too trusting, but he was stonewalled every time he tried to get any information about the business in which he invested.

About the only time he stood his ground was when he wouldn't forgive the $200K real estate note in exchange for equity in a company that ended up being worthless by the time Garza was through embezzling funds. Everything else he did was basically hands-off silent investor stuff. There were a couple of times he used Garza/GAW to funnel funds to hide from his wife, but he didn't really do anything wrong except not be persistent enough about financial statements. He gave up too easily and trusted too much.

He's one of the many characters fleshed out in that email dump. He doesn't have the depth and narrative that Garza has, but even the bit players are pretty complete. That's what makes this such a good story. Josh Garza, Carlos Garza, Capuano, Mordica, Pease, Rami, Fraser, that Cryptsy CTO, Juliette, Jessica Garza, and so on. They're all fleshed out and have some depth.

The bad actors were the inner circle (Garza, Capuano, Mordica, etc.). Capuano came clean, but none of the others have. Other than Capuano, these stories are still going on.

This is seriously like a really good novel that's really, really long.

Yeah, that's my question. What could possibly come with a paycoin decal?

Oh, the two hour floor. Garza may lament the passing of people discussing hashlets and boosts. We lament the passing of the two hour price floor. To this day, Garza claims that $200,000 of price support fulfilled every promise he made on the subject. Oh, the days of people realizing that they missed the only opportunity to sell their XPY for $20 because they left their computers to get a sandwich. Good times.

I love this one. I love how it treats "virus" as some sort of magic spell you can cast on someone. I also read the last "heya" in an Ed McMahon reaction way. "up in ... HEYA!"

That's a good catch.

I don't think Fraser will get static for being Garza's protomark. However, the lack of financial sophistication betrayed by the leaked emails has to worry his employer. Buy Western Union? Really?

Then why are you interested in this thread? The point of this thread is to minimize the damage done by a particular sociopath who's adept at lying. The reason people put time towards this is to help these people and those who might fall into the same trap.

Let's play spot the pattern.

GAW has success renting bulk hashing from China, then reselling as "hosted miners." GAW runs out of rented hashing. GAW continues to sell hosted miners/hashlets.

Garza is able to attract talent at below market prices by offering equity. Garza runs out of equity. Garza continues to offer equity to potential/current employees.

GAW has success selling 9/11 Hashlets. They have allocated $10,000 dollars which caps them at 500 hashlets. They run out of 9/11 Hashlets to sell. They continue to sell 9/11 Hashlets, but still only donate $10,000.

You can't "make" something someone else does a scam. Either you're lying or you're not. He's pissed because the predictions he pawned as fact didn't come true, and he's blind to the fact that it's because of his own failings.

I'd like to hear more about FastXPY's $20 million claim. How did he get anything approaching that number? That's a pretty aggressive estimate.

He could have just made it up, but he probably has more information than us, so I'm curious how he got any number more than a couple of million.

I think I figured it out, guys.

It's Craig. Craig is Russian mafia.

Possibly the most hilarious argument last night was when he had that two-fold response to coin mixing and dumping. First, he argues that he's too unsophisticated to do such a thing. He doesn't even know how the blockchain works! Second, he says that he has no reason to do so because he's majority owner in the company, so he can withdraw money any time he chooses. He doesn't have to hide.

He thinks it's okay to embezzle funds if he's majority owner. Like, literally. He thinks it's fine. He thinks committing a fairly fundamental crime and stealing from your business partners by embezzling funds is acceptable.

That's one thing I think he wasn't lying about.

https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37470/life-raft

This is a thing of beauty. The scammer who's bilked people out of millions of dollars gets scammed for $50k and goes completely apeshit. He just can't stand that someone would lie to him!

I mean, that Vadala guy seems like a scumbag. It really does look like he has no right to take those primes in lieu of unpaid bills. However, I'm glad he did, because watching Garza flip out over being cheated is a whole new kind of entertainment.

Then he starts going off on people who haven't cheated him, but he perceives to have in some messed-up way. Basically any deal where he didn't end up scamming the people on the other end is now a theft. This is just amazing. One guy steals from him (to compensate for money he's owed, no less), and he can't handle it. "No, wait, I'm supposed to be bilking you, not the other way around. What is this? How could you do this to me?????"

Garza keeps acting like his inbox wasn't leaked.

We know what you did, man. We know when you did it. Stop lying.

Walter White is The One Who Knocks.

Josh Garza is The One Who Makes Vague Threats About Knocking While Pretending To Be Someone Else.

Every time I try to tune in, the bullshit is too thick for me to handle.

"Why didn't you take a picture of yourself outside?"

"Because I don't believe in it."

WTF? Afraid the phone camera will steal your soul? His answers make no sense.

Considering that nothing either of these guys say makes any sense, the moderator figured he'd structure the event appropriately.

You can't even?

Wait, he brought up the topic of conversation, and that's an issue?

I think everyone is drunk because it's Cinco de Mayo.

Yeah, I tuned in, listened to about a minute of Garza lying, and got tired of it. He's so full of shit. Mysterious outside investors that will stop at nothing to get their coins back...lol.

I turned it off when he couldn't give a straight answer on when they invested. Apparently, he never watched that commode story bit of Reservoir Dogs.