I been keeping up at a distance. Does anyone know about this 4 million stolen coins?
Its pretty worrying seeing that at some points over the last week, bittrex order book had 4-5 bitoins of support left before the game is up. How much damage could 4 million coins cost the price of VRC if they where ever released to sale???
Crazy that such a important issue is ignored... Well I guess you can't promise away this problem, so it will linger until solved.
yeah, gl with that!
Please don't expect the developers and team leaders on this project will discuss important matters like the 4 million stolen coins. You know better than anyone, if you raise issues with lack of innovation, development, transparency or on this case information then it is not possible to get an honest answer. For sure, I am still sitting on vericoin and supernet domain assets that are near worthless. I took a longterm investment in this coin and it did nothing but burn me. And in the process of trying to help develop a idea, a way to make value for this coin, I was alienated, and labelled a troll for asking questions, that could have led to real solutions. For that, I was labelled a troll.. Can't wait for the day VRC investors wake up to the reality that this coin is worthless. It always was, the only difference is we believed promises before. Now the promises have lost weight for reasonable people, leaving sociopaths of all kinds to support the coin. I can see so many mental health issues within the supporters of this coin it saddens me. But you know what, when the sheep get hearded so well, this is the result. A extremely loyal following that thinks this shit don't stink. Well, let me tell you a little something about the price rise. The developers led by Patrick, pushed a new "promise" at every weak point in price, and it resulted in a surge in price. Once those promises started to fall apart and Patrick was called out for being manipulative, so what did they do? pushed that under the rug and now effectstocause is the frontman! His credibility was a lot higher to push more promises than Patrick, since clearly all his failed. It is so pathetic to see people defend this currency. I have so much to gain if it was to succeed, but I will not, in good faith promote a scam to people just to profit. This is a terrible coin to own, with no REAL innovation. Never in a million years will promises = innovation. Products = innovation. And for that VeriCoin has failed in EVERY regard. But anyways. Be warned, VeriCoin is as worthless a coin as it comes, and with zero credibility. What you will find is plenty of fanboys with large averaged down positions telling you to buy, while they desperately sell. We all know where this is headed. Very true what you said. As for your remark about the importance of innovation, it's probably too late for VeriCoin, but that's what I was trying to get through to the devs by asking them please focus on the product development. Probably that still couldn't help in this altlcoin market, but at least would have the remote chance to stay alive by being different and don't be one of the 500 shitcoins which currently Vericoin is. |
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gave their money to some kid who got all excited over crypto and bought at the top
More precisely, we got excited from the prospect of having investment in a coin with a talented, intelligent and transparent dev team which was quite unique at the time. The academic background of the devs promised consistent development and most importantly honesty and integrity. Now it became clear there are no software engineering skills nor transparency and the VRC devs are three Stooges. It is certainly disappointing and the 5.5k price indicates to me you are one of the very few who believes in this failed project. |
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I been keeping up at a distance. Does anyone know about this 4 million stolen coins?
Its pretty worrying seeing that at some points over the last week, bittrex order book had 4-5 bitoins of support left before the game is up. How much damage could 4 million coins cost the price of VRC if they where ever released to sale???
Crazy that such a important issue is ignored... Well I guess you can't promise away this problem, so it will linger until solved.
yeah, gl with that!
Please don't expect the developers and team leaders on this project will discuss important matters like the 4 million stolen coins. You know better than anyone, if you raise issues with lack of innovation, development, transparency or on this case information then it is not possible to get an honest answer. |
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Xoshic or whatever hid handle is, has also started a non moderated vrc thread. He wants to keep the conversation alive -and not censored, obviously- but somehow he wants control to manage it at will... or he doesnt like the crowd here. Ah the guy from Minnesota likes to do things his way... funny, funny...
Yeah, it seems he doesn't like the crowd here. After all he never had issue with the lack of progress, direction of the coin, integrity of developers, price, not anything I can remember. OR it also could be he expects to be included -his thread- in James' list of "assets"... Hey if Kevondo's radio has, I dont see why not... Actually, this one also would qualify... as long as you can guarantee total and permanent vrc cheerleading status, or course, so be prepsred because the pm maybe around the corner. Oh poor old Kevondo, right now I understand why he was so excited about that Supernet radio. Good on him :-)) and good on James, he acts like a proper circus master. I understand not a great deal about James assets', never checked it in details. When the he did his speeches in the VRC thread at the time his IPO, I had the impression that this is a very talented guy, I expected he will make millions with his IPO as well as Supernet remain a vaporware or even if it works will not make any revenues. Kevondo will be a very-very disappointed man soon. |
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Ah UK I read somewhere you did not know who Wizzrig is in real life? You are in for a feast then... search "yo soy boricua pa que tu lo sepas" sung by Taino on youtube. Hr also had a Mac repair shop in Miami before going into the family clothing business to ehich he now says he dedicates most of his efforts. If you want to resd some of his most spicy posts around the nrt -quite prolific- he uses the "mactaino" handle for those.
As you know he was the face of THE BLACK HAND at one time.. the black hand being based in crrtain pr company in Miami in which the brains behind the black hand carries his day job. That individual is the one with soepkip in the infamous flower shott pants photo...
All quite colourful...
I am starting to get the picture about WizRig :-)) It's quite amazing that EffectsToCause and Jay Jay still speak with the highest regards about WizRig ... that's why I can't get my head around, are these guys just the naivest boys ever or most arrogant Stooges ever or just very smart scammers. Anyway, I remember a guy (unfortunately I can't remember the nick) came to the VRC thread at the time of the hangout and he said politely and not being rude at all, sorry guys WizRig is in and I am out, please get out until you can. The response was: you are a FUDder, the PhD scientists know what they do, WizRig is a serious man. The guy came back not long time ago and said, I told you so. |
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Xoshic or whatever hid handle is, has also started a non moderated vrc thread. He wants to keep the conversation alive -and not censored, obviously- but somehow he wants control to manage it at will... or he doesnt like the crowd here. Ah the guy from Minnesota likes to do things his way... funny, funny...
Yeah, it seems he doesn't like the crowd here. After all he never had issue with the lack of progress, direction of the coin, integrity of developers, price, not anything I can remember. |
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Damn I missed my chance to vote! Oh well. If I voted it would have been to shut down forum. At this point nothing would please me more than to see vericoin cease to exist in any form.
They failed, let down the true supporters to take the easy way out. The coin is left with nothing more than cheerleaders, jl777, and the 3 stooge devs aboard. No innovation to be seen, only PROMISES!
I agree they should shut down the VRC BCT forum, as well as the vericoinforum, and every other cancer that is being created from this failed project. Well done in keeping a unmoderated avenue for people to speak.
That is a very accurate description of the state of VeriCoin. I fully agree and understand you, 90% of bagholders and investors are angry and disappointed. In the meantime 4-5 brainless cheerleaders still celebrate the non delivering Stooges and of course there are the 2-3 dumpers who bought a few million coins at 500 satoshis and they would do, say and lie anything to keep the price at least above 1K when they can sell with a reasonable profit. However, the project is failed, that was the VeriCoin story. |
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@lootz
The problem is, you have silenced the community, (despite transparency was promised) the transparency was taken away (most probably to continue rolling out more empty promises and keep the status quo of non development and trick new investors into a failing operation). So you have your new wonderful world which you fought for so hard without the "FUD" and critical voices, but the price is still under 6k and there is no chance that this stagnating operation will be revitalized. How is that?
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If you would of bought at 4900 you would of been up 20% right now... could of made that russian groups money back
Yeah, I am sure that was a lifetime opportunity, but lets do the math, OK? The 20% in a total 10 BTC volume market means 2 BTC. In that bot driven environment I could realize no more than 0.5 BTC from that as if I would try to sell more aggressively then the price would drop immediately. So we are talking about 0.5 BTC, $160.00 profit (if I am doing well in that bot controlled environment). I understand this is not your domain, but let me tell you, an average Russian investor spend more on a breakfast at Ritz London than $160. And you would deliver the whopping $160 to not even one, but to a group of Russian investors. Each of your Russian investors would have $20-$30 profit. Can I suggest don't approach any Russian investors with such genius business plan? |
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Oh boy, pant-man doing double-duty... triple duty soon? Like he is not transparent the moment he posts 5 words... WOW!
UK, there's no confusion: Acts speak much louder than any words. Besides, they have never denied that, if up to them, they would silence.... me, for instance. Or you (Nosker bumped you off IRC), so the proof is in the pudding, no confusions, no interpretations.
Now, that said and being absolutely provable truth, there's another influence now that cannot be underestimated: James (jl777) has always demanded, from the get go, total unanimity in support of VRC if he were to be involved. He is committed now and, quite frankly, left with no other option to have a "clean face" for his SuperNET, since there are not even one developer in crypto -that I know of- that is not either anonymous or tainted, if not both. These three are also, but, for now, in what James believes it is a manageable manner. He absolutely needs them to be his face and voice if SuperNET is to ever get anywhere remotely close to what he has envisioned (very arguable given the fact that it is losing interest quite fast by adding ridiculous "assets" such as Kevondo's radio and by the downward spiral in price), since otherwise he could not remain anonymous himself, something he's more than willing to pay high numbers to achieve. So this closing of the thread may very well be James' imposition.
In any event, I am beginning to agree with you in your statement that alts are doomed all, especially now that you have to go back to the basic ones of longer history to find a few that are not outright scams or, like in the case of Vericoin, led by the Stooges. Even Bitcoin itself may be in serious danger after the last drastic -and ongoing- drop in price.
I am convinced now, at the risk of being wrong, that VRC's "life" is going to be very, very short, SuperNET or no SuperNET. I also believe that SuperNET will go nowhere anymore, nor will any of the other James' endeavors, clever as they are, they have had their time and the only thing left if for him to cash out... which I envision happening very, very soon. The house of cards if quickly falling down and can't be stopped with copy/paste shit and corruption overall being prevalent, so it is, quite frankly, time to cut losses and run. If you really believe digital currency has a future (I know blockchain tech has, but not necessarily as support of digital currencies, exchanges at the consumer level or anything like that; as a matter of fact the boys are going to be dumped all over now that IBM is going to come in with a blockchain itself), then there's no better place than on BTC itself at current low -and going lower, seemingly-, prices. No other project, I don't care which, can offer even remotely the level of both safety and potential profitability that BTC can.
Most certainly, neither VRC nor SuperNET -or any other alt, for that matter-.
The news you have posted is not entirely positive :-)) but on the serious note, the altcoin jamboree is certainly over. It was a one off opportunity (not a huge one though), perhaps similar to the Dutch tulip bubble of 1637 - and if really that's the case then it means it can't happen again. Even seemingly well thought projects with hard working professionals like ViaCoin is in trouble as the lack of market and low adoption rate of the coin will limit if not terminate its growth. You are right, VeriCoin can't survive in this environment with the three hobbyists, where even the better projects will disappear. To be fair to the three Stooges, it's not their fault at all what happened this year in the altcoin scene and that the party is over. I didn't think about it, but probably that's the case what you said: James asked the devs to close the thread and the three puppies executed the order. Just like the order of take on the cloud storage development. Regardless what they develop, I have been saying for a while that no one will remember what Supernet is in a year time. Even James is undoubtedly a super talented individual, he can't change the dynamics of the market, especially that very soon there won't be a market for these forked nonsenses like VeriCoin. As you said BTC is already there and it's good enough to be used as a digital currency. It is very interesting what you say about the blockchain tech, I am aware of the IBM research and when guys like the Linked in founder Reid Hoffman think smart contracts will change how we do business then probably it is worth to keep an eye on developments in that area. Perhaps one-two related projects like Viacoin will be lucky to get some big VC investment? And I guess you are right, smart contracts won't be manifested in high level consumer applications but mostly as low level engines for business and hardware processes (what the IBM research targets). I was trying to get through that smart contract concept to the VRC devs, but yeah, to suggest such development was as realistic as to ask my grandmother to high jump 2m 20cm using the Fosbury Flop technique. |
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UK, although it could easily be taken as a standard, reality is that many Vericoin supporters, although willfully blind to the reality of the project are quite far in their behavior from these two, pantsman and the unemployable seudo graphics pro from Portugal. It is not fair to put all of them in the same basket.
To accuse Nosker and Dave of censorship, on the other hand, is simply reflecting on one of the many "qualities" that adorn them both... which, by the way, are the cause of the eventual demise of Vericoin, of course.
I have to agree with you that such generalization is completely unfair. I didn't mean that hard working ppl like Scott, Kevondo or Lootz or passive bag holders would be in the same basket where he is, I meant to say that he demonstrate the true nature of aggressive and hardcore cheerleaders like him and the jeans dealer. It think there are only a handful very loud cheerleaders like him ... majority of the community is normal and nice ppl who would never spam a thread. I am very disappointed that EffectsToCause even started that voting and then interpreted the result as the community voted for close down the thread. I am not sure, was I after all correct when few weeks ago EffectsToCause was going to rip off in a 100 BTC deal someone with the German verileader and then I was questioning whether EffectsToCause has a corrupt side? It's confusing and I really don't want to accuse anyone with any wrongdoings, but it seems to me he acted corruptly in that deal and then it seems he handled the main BTC thread closing down process corruptly as well. I can't get my head around whether the VRC devs are honest young men who make many honest mistakes in a turbulent environment or they are just corrupted coin dealers. They seems are very nice guys, on the other hand their actions are really confusing (e.g. when Nosker moved 200k to the exchange). |
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Hi guys if you've updated to new mandatory update 1.4.1.3, its got a bug official response on Veriforum is to shut it down and wait for new new release which will be released asap. Jon  Hi Jon Thanks, the info about the bug is very much appreciated! It is very useful for many of us who don't accept censorship and prefer this Bitcointalk forum where all opinions are welcomed instead of the moderated new Vericoin cheerleader barbecue. Lets keep the censorship away from VeriCoin! :-)) |
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And in the meantime the price is 5.9K.
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Sorry but the voting results where like this :
Keep btctalk 53.9%
Keep it as is - 28 (44.4%)
Close it and start a new btctalk thread - 6 (9.5%)
End btctalk 46%
End it with link to new forum - 17 (27%)
Delete it and link to new forum - 12 (19%)
SO why make a voting, if they have decieded to close it anyways.
The majority voted for having a btctalk thread and leave the old one open.
You cannnot count " Close it and start a new btctalk thread " to "End btctalk" this is a contradiction.
So the majority voted to keep an unmoderated thread here in Bitcontalk and EffectsToCause interpreted this as the vote for closing it down forever. After all he is a scientists so he can twist the data to suit it for his own agenda. The VRC team couldn't even manage to carry out with integrity a simple community voting ... that's great ... that's what VeriCoin became, a corrupted process. I am glad I didn't even take part in their voting circus. I was sure it will be shamble even I couldn't imagine how a simple community voting can be corrupted, but never mind, EffectsToCause could manage that. Sorry AltcoinUK, your logic is flawed. The majority voted to shut it down in some fashion. Then, someone named Jon, decided "Close it and start a new btctalk thread" meant "Keep it", so he (see above) moved it to the "Keep" column. Ironically, that is exactly what happened, so everyone should be happy now. BTW: I am disappointed that you of all people did not vote. PS: The Official VeriCoin Forum for news and announcements is: http://vericoinforums.com
I am kind of familiar with logic from both mathematics and philosophy viewpoint, but I am not sure what you mean, could you explain please what part of logic related with the pure fact that a fucking 54 quantity from something (in this case percentage) is more than a fucking 46? :-))) In this context I am struggling to relate anything to this pair of numbers other than a simple arithmetical comparison: 54 > 46. EDIT: I mean, 54 isn't more than 46? |
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@amesterdamer
Thanks for demonstrating the mentality and true nature of a VeriCoin hardcore cheerleader. The DEVs must be proud of you, and you are a perfect fit into that corrupted operation that promises constant development for investors and then do nothing except work for other coins (ARCH).
Following your appearance we have a better understanding why the prices is 5K of this stagnating coin.
Keep up the good work: -)))
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I doing so. I'm telling that this thread is not Official and I just share here some info how people see bitcointalk nowadays.
It's kind of fucked up when people post things that you don't like to read right?
Disclaimer: I've never been impolite and I share my sources, but like you've said "All opinions are welcomed!" and this are my opinions. Period.
OK, that's fair enough if you feel that you need to share your opinion that this is not an official thread please to do so (though no one think this is the official thread, and if I would want to I could make it exactly same as the original one, I didn't want to, so I kept only one image from the original and put my comments), but sharing your opinion, which welcomed one thing and spamming is another matter. Your opinion is certainly welcomed in this unmoderated thread, and very well done, you should share your opinion more frequently :-)) that's why this thread is here :-))) ... but spamming is not an opinion sharing as you know that. Please stop the spamming, otherwise I will make it look like the official thread, and you will be more upset what I certainly don't want. :-)) |
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Oh right, so you are on the mission of not only to keep the empty promises status-quo for VeriCoin, but to destroy Bitcointalk as well? Anyway, tell me please why are you happy with the VRC stagnating process and 5K price? |
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@amesterdamer :-)) Please be civil and do not spam this thread. You are a prominent voice and contributor to the VeriCoin project, and therefore your uncivil spamming actions put a very negative light on VeriCoin. That's what VeriCoin became, to spam a thread where all opinions welcomed?
Why don't you contribute in a meaningful way to address the issues of empty promises, lack of progress and the operation that keeps VeriCoin in the league of another 500 meaningless and absolutely useless BTC/LTC clones?
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this thread is FUD ... FUD .. FUD  the vericoin team works hard and vericoin will be one of the top 5 coins  Go to https://vericoinforums.com/ for a real discussion about vericoin. Seeing the lack of progress and empty promises it is very unlikely that VeriCoin will be one of the top 5 coins. We will revisit this in a few years and see. Too early to judge it one way or the other. I have my VRC staking in my wallet. It will remain there for a long long time. Wallet is having a hard time syncing but hopefully the update will fix this. -tb- I wish you will be correct about the future of VeriCoin. The problems with VeiCoin can be fixed, and hopefully the VRC developers learn from their mistakes and put back the coin on the right track. |
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Sorry but the voting results where like this :
Keep btctalk 53.9%
Keep it as is - 28 (44.4%)
Close it and start a new btctalk thread - 6 (9.5%)
End btctalk 46%
End it with link to new forum - 17 (27%)
Delete it and link to new forum - 12 (19%)
SO why make a voting, if they have decieded to close it anyways.
The majority voted for having a btctalk thread and leave the old one open.
You cannnot count " Close it and start a new btctalk thread " to "End btctalk" this is a contradiction.
So the majority voted to keep an unmoderated thread here in Bitcontalk and EffectsToCause interpreted this as the vote for closing it down forever. After all he is a scientists so he can twist the data to suit it for his own agenda. The VRC team couldn't even manage to carry out with integrity a simple community voting ... that's great ... that's what VeriCoin became, a corrupted process. I am glad I didn't even take part in their voting circus. I was sure it will be shamble even I couldn't imagine how a simple community voting can be corrupted, but never mind, EffectsToCause could manage that. |
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