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1081  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD on: December 12, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
Great we have the logs from Bob here. Once the law enforcement will start looking into the case they will have here all information that is needed.
1082  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 04:02:16 PM

lol not my BTC Wink I saw the scam from miles away.


Good on you mate you did - every rational person saw what a pathetic scam this was ... every elements were just a giant red flag ... Nicos from Russia who loves dogs and Holly from Taiwan who has a family, the professional team that of course capable to take on eBay, but they will take on eBay anonymously as their identity cannot be revealed because there is an NDA in place.
1083  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
Target of 3000 BTC was known before and you thought it was an okay target? You really think they had to raise that amount to develope the project?

Well, it seems that a lot of people thought that way, that's why they are where they are now...

Actually, yes, I DO want to see a development team sitting on that type of funds if I were to hold a large share of what they're working on. Especially if those funds are merit-based.

Making a good product isn't cheap and neither is promoting it. The biggest weakness of all coins is that they lack this type of funding. Even Bitcoin really doesn't have much on that front.

If the milestone schedule (and I really prefer the first schedule over the second one) holds up then that's a worthwhile investment. The only problem is that there's some clarity missing on this side of the deal.

Bob and Gekko mocked me when i discussed developement. Saying it was unnecessary and coins only need marketing. Then they proceed to take 50% of the dev fund



Which means you are one of the most dishonest individual I ever met - and believe me I met a few.

I said to you and asked you privately and in this thread publicly many-many times: since we both know the team is non existent, there is no professional team nor business plan please reveal the facts to the community, please make clear this ICO is nothing but a scam. And then right now, you are confirming that this was a shameful scam organized by Bob & Gecko, Steven has never had a legitimate business before, and the Bitbay ICO was nothing else but a money collecting party of the insiders - just as I said what it is from the beginning. You knew I was right from the beginning, but you refused to cooperate to reveal the truth about Bob an the Bitbay team to the community.

altcoinUK I'm really impressed! Shame David ruined his career in cryptos. Bter should apologize publicly for falling to this scam but I don't blame them as they trusted David the one who handed them the coin.

As we speak, my lawyer, you know (at least the VRC community knows who is he) the very same guy who visited Mintpal when the VRC hack happened and then I could provide the VRC devs with some very valuable info about what to do and what not do do with Mintpal/Moolah, so a well tested and experienced legal professional talks to the Netherlands police to see how to start proceeding. One thing is sure, the police will not cherry pick the scammers and all participants of the scam will be brought to justice.

So don't worry about me, what my agenda is ... you should be just worrying about yourself that in the meantime don't support  the scammers not David nor Bob nor Steven - none of them.

this guy has a real chance of becoming the most well-known lawyer and expert in cryptos in the world. wish him all the best with this case!

He is all right. When we had the Mintpal hack I had a some serious amount of money there and I said him, please fuck off mate to Mintpal because I am having some issues there, in 10 minutes he figured out what 3 months later everyone could see that Mintpal/Moolah is a vey shaky operation and Ryan Green is a scammer. (That's another matter that the VRC devs never took seriously what he said)

I am sure his office will be happy to follow up this as well, lawyers need the publicity just like Bitbay scammers needed your BTC.

1084  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 03:40:33 PM

You're hurting BitBay.


LoL

The very participant of the biggest scam of the year Zimbeck and Bob have just revealed that indeed it was a scam, by their own admission they have pulled off a scam and the investors are victims of a crime ... and you idiot wondering about that some random nick is "hurting" the reputation of Bitbay.

LoL
1085  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
The ICO was a scam and people like me have been a victim.

Correct and that's what matters for the law enforcement agencies which will have no choice but to act on this. And as I said, you can't cherry pick who goes to jail - by definition and the nature of the crime all scammers will have to go to jail.
1086  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
See I don't get this. I don't see why you're insisting on scape goating him. Is it because he's not anonymous unlike the people who actually syphoned away the money?

Why aren't you after the heads rather than the one person who tries to set it right?

I understand that, it seems you don't get many elements of what's happening.

From day one I am calling this a scam and stating that all individuals behind the Bitbay operation are scammers. I said from day one that all of them will be quite rightly end up in jail. Scammers needs to go jail ... all of them, period. However, the one who had chance to get this right, because I had given him many-many chance to come forward was David. David even refused my offer to cooperate yesterday when I said him last time that, take this shit seriously, lets come forward with the info, because we are going to talk to the police in Netherlands to track down all participants of the scam. No, David was laughing that no one is going to jail.

As we speak, my lawyer, you know (at least the VRC community knows who is he) the very same guy who visited Mintpal when the VRC hack happened and then I could provide the VRC devs with some very valuable info about what to do and what not do do with Mintpal/Moolah, so a well tested and experienced legal professional talks to the Netherlands police to see how to start proceeding. One thing is sure, the police will not cherry pick the scammers and all participants of the scam will be brought to justice.

So don't worry about me, what my agenda is ... you should be just worrying about yourself that in the meantime don't support  the scammers not David nor Bob nor Steven - none of them.
1087  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
He could've thrown up his hands, expose it all and walked out. Then what? Everybody would just be in the same place only this time without a working product.

You can blame him for naivety. For thinking that he saw away to piece it back together even against the odds that these cynical assholes placed on it. But you can't accuse him of operating against the interests of the legit investors once the cat was out of the bag.

Look, I accepted you apologies, but if you continue be calling the scammer Zimbeck "naive" and if you are saying that the protection of your 1-2-4 BTC (or in fact any amount ) investment has higher priority than stop participating in a criminal activity then I had enough from you.

I fully understand that 4 BTC could be a lots of many for a high school student in the US or it's a large sum for a wannabe investor in Romania, but it doesn't mean that - just because there is a potential financial loss - any criminal acts could be justified to protect the investment. You must know that without I am explaining that to you, right?
1088  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
these couple scammers should get beat up in a nasty way, that will show them not to mess with peoples money, their mom failed at parenting

They will be. David will be hunted down and will be punished.
1089  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 02:13:04 PM
To summarize what's happening:

1) The parties revealed that we were absolutely right in the unmoderated thread at http://bit.ly/12Cj0da and this operation was indeed a scam

2) There are a few accounts who previously (most likely naively) pushed this scam very-very hard like @Decentradical, but now decent enough and admit that yes, they were wrong and this was indeed a scam

3) There are a few shill accounts like @unusualfacts30 and @nojealousy who still trying very-very hard to continue the operation which was based on a giant scam in the first place, but of course the shills aren't worried that it was a scam in the first place ... they are worried about their 1-2-4 BTC "investment", i.e. keep tricking naive people into this shameful scam. Zimbeck's minions and shills  @unusualfacts30 and @nojealousy are trying to pretend nothing happened when in fact the largest scam of the year was revealed by the very participants of the scam.

Since I was correct with my predictions from day one, here is the next prediction to help for naive investors who were tricked into this scam to understand better what's going to happen: there won't be Bitbay decentralized market place, this party is over.


1090  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
What would you have done if you cared about the investors?


You must be joking to even ask such question.

So your question implies, if you invest in a business or in David's case if you partnership a business and it turns out that your partners are criminals and scammers (as David says now that his partners are scammers) then you don't stop your activity but "to protect your investors", (to protect the pathetic 4 BTC average investments) you have no choice but continue your partnership with the scammers? That's what really you are saying?

Besides that, this is not even the case here that David didn't know what's happening, because the logs clearly reveal that he was actively assisting to organize a 3000 BTC scam.
1091  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 01:47:27 PM
Lol i heard rumors and came to check immediately and so the rumour is true . There wont be any future in this coins anymore LOL

No one said that. Roadmap will be followed as we agreed upon besides all the Fud and all the misunderstanding that happened in past pages. I'm looking forward to see marketplace in action before I invest more though. That was he main reason I've been following Bay in first place.

Bob thought he was being mistreated so he dumped his shares and sent his little army to Fud this thread. When one part of your body is rotten you chop it off and move on with your life. That's exactly what's going on here.



Hey, how are you.

Is it possible that you can send me another test contract. BitHalo is running and bitmessage is enabled  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Grretings

You can put your contract in your anus and walk around with it the to demonstrate what an idiot you are, that once the scam is fully revealed you still believe in fairy tales.

The party is over my friend, it's over even if you fucking shills and newbie accounts still trying to push this shameful scam. Your 1-2-4 BTC pathetic "investments" is gone and as I said from day one Zimbeck will be a hunted man wherever he hides.
1092  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 01:37:53 PM
@Bernays

Are you stupid or are you just trolling? There is no NDA, there was never an NDA  - as I said it from the beginning the NDA was a bullocks to mislead naive people to collect their 4 BTC investments.
1093  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
I said to you and asked you privately and in this thread publicly many-many times: since we both know the team is non existent, there is no professional team nor business plan please reveal the facts to the community, please make clear this ICO is nothing but a scam. And then right now, you are confirming that this was a shameful scam organized by Bob & Gecko, Steven has never had a legitimate business before, and the Bitbay ICO was nothing else but a money collecting party of the insiders - just as I said what it is from the beginning. You knew I was right from the beginning, but you refused to cooperate to reveal the truth about Bob an the Bitbay team to the community.


You were on to something from the beginning. I owe you an apology for putting you along with the other fud clowns.


I was not on "something" but I told you precisely, just like Barabbas did how the scam was perpetrated. Anyway, apologies accepted.

I said to you and asked you privately and in this thread publicly many-many times: since we both know the team is non existent, there is no professional team nor business plan please reveal the facts to the community, please make clear this ICO is nothing but a scam. And then right now, you are confirming that this was a shameful scam organized by Bob & Gecko, Steven has never had a legitimate business before, and the Bitbay ICO was nothing else but a money collecting party of the insiders - just as I said what it is from the beginning. You knew I was right from the beginning, but you refused to cooperate to reveal the truth about Bob an the Bitbay team to the community.


But if you were in David's position and wanted to protect the investors you most likely would have done the same. Deliver what you set out to and continue to make sure they actually have a functional product.


No, that's incorrect. You read the log how actively David was organizing the scam with Bob. David had all options to reveal the nature of the scam and scammers and then he could continue with the software development. If he wouldn't be a piece of shit scambag which he is then he would do the right thing and he would distance himself from the scammers, inform the community what is happening behind the screen and continue the development. He didn't do that, and therefore he is one of the scammers. Do you want to develop a coin with a scammer?
1094  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: December 12, 2014, 01:19:25 PM

As the project develops we will be posting bio's on both team leaders and the different individuals responsible for the key areas in BitBay. The first set of bios will be online later this week and several our key players in New York, Taiwan, Korea and London. Many of the key players in our projects will not play public roles. Some have NDA's that both with us and their respective private sectors. Others do not wish to be part of the public profiling due to their country of residence or other reasons. These are the people 'behind' BitBay. BitBay is an extremely ambitious project. We would not have been able to recruit the team we have  - especially our members from the commercial, financial, & investment worlds - without establishing clear lines in these areas.

thanks

BitBay Team


Horseshit.

Either you start now to be transparent, or you are playing on peoples naivety. What is it going to be?

And please reveal your previous nik/s.

Hi Stereotype. The nick question has been discussed. Please refrain from profanity in the thread, thanks.

I dont want to discuss it, i want to know what it was, so i can check it out. Got a problem with that?  

Also, who can verify that an NDA is in play here?

Also, also, and i will ask again......what is the distribution model for the funds you are raising? Who gets what, and when?

Is the NDA still in play?  Tongue

LoL the best question in the last 24 hours LoL

Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has family ... that was their professional team who can reveal their identity because of the NDA in place when in fact the team was Bob, Gecko, Steven (who according to David never had a legitimate business before) and Zimbeck.
1095  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
And how indecent and pathetic individuals many of yours in this shill cave is getting more and more clear.

You are having 4 BTC investments which is less than a week payment for a professional, you can't even buy a fucking bicycle for that money, but to keep the status-quo, to not to lose that "investment" you want to scammer Zimbeck (who has been pulling off this scam from day one) continue this shamble - to make 8 BTC the most from your 4 BTC "investment".




4 BTC = $1440

dont ever post your fuking poverty math skills on these forums ever the fuk again bro, and by bro i mean never my bro, fuking faggot.

And you stop posting here how retarded you are you fucking shill who don't know how much professional earns, which is not surprising you don't know you fucking puppet account who push this scam very-very hard in 24/7, because you have never had more than 4 BTC in your life.

You fucking asshole, if you would check the Halfords web site in here in the UK you would see a fucking bike cost £1000-£2000, but you too retarded to do that.
1096  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 01:01:52 PM
For me the nearby future still is a decentralized one and i really hope BitBay will continue delivering that.
After all we are so close to accomplish something as memorable as the invention of the radio.
And I'm not the only one thinking that, as Charles Hoskinson underlines it in his speech at the TEDx Bermuda.

http://youtu.be/97ufCT6lQcY

And it says a lot about you what you are. That you want a project which is based on a giant scam, in fact admitted by the lead dev that it was a giant scam to be continued instead of bringing the organizers to justice you shills are worry about your 1-2-4 BTC "investment".

1097  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
And how indecent and pathetic individuals many of yours in this shill cave is getting more and more clear.

You are having 4 BTC investments which is less than a week payment for a professional, you can't even buy a fucking bicycle for that money, but to keep the status-quo, to not to lose that "investment" you want the scammer Zimbeck (who has been pulling off this scam from day one) continue this shamble - to make 8 BTC the most from your 4 BTC "investment".


1098  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 12:50:15 PM
Target of 3000 BTC was known before and you thought it was an okay target? You really think they had to raise that amount to develope the project?

Well, it seems that a lot of people thought that way, that's why they are where they are now...

Actually, yes, I DO want to see a development team sitting on that type of funds if I were to hold a large share of what they're working on. Especially if those funds are merit-based.

Making a good product isn't cheap and neither is promoting it. The biggest weakness of all coins is that they lack this type of funding. Even Bitcoin really doesn't have much on that front.

If the milestone schedule (and I really prefer the first schedule over the second one) holds up then that's a worthwhile investment. The only problem is that there's some clarity missing on this side of the deal.

Bob and Gekko mocked me when i discussed developement. Saying it was unnecessary and coins only need marketing. Then they proceed to take 50% of the dev fund



Which means you are one of the most dishonest individual I ever met - and believe me I met a few.

I said to you and asked you privately and in this thread publicly many-many times: since we both know the team is non existent, there is no professional team nor business plan please reveal the facts to the community, please make clear this ICO is nothing but a scam. And then right now, you are confirming that this was a shameful scam organized by Bob & Gecko, Steven has never had a legitimate business before, and the Bitbay ICO was nothing else but a money collecting party of the insiders - just as I said what it is from the beginning. You knew I was right from the beginning, but you refused to cooperate to reveal the truth about Bob an the Bitbay team to the community.

 

 
1099  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 12:39:35 PM
At least we can put the ICO days behind us in crypto with this... unfortunately that basically means that there's no way to organically fund projects of this magnitude.  VC 'angels' in the real world aren't really much different from Bob and company unfortunately... especially if the venture doesn't do exactly what they say when they say it.  Sad

Crypto is there to lower barriers of money transfers and free markets and that's pretty much it. There is no cryptographic primitive that guarantees fairness (or anonymity  Shocked ), but there are laws of thermodynamics that keeps pushing for more efficient systems and decentralized marketplaces are right there on that path. It WILL happen, as Moore's law is just happening. Whether David is the enabler of this technology or not is entirely up to him.

I believe there's still a future for ICO deals like this. They only need to be handled with more transparency.

Except for the fact that, based purely on logs posted by both David and Bob there seems to be the little issue of whether or not the ICO itself was even legitimate - on BTER's end I mean.  It appears that there may not have even been as much actual BTC's involved as we previously thought.  We need transparency on this issue especially IMO... because whether a single coin is good or bad is one thing, if one or more of the exchanges running them are completely cooking the books is another.  Because people very rarely do something only once... so if that is the case with BAY... it's undoubtedly the case with others as well.  At the very least I would want to see transparent accounting from day one for this... for all parties, but especially BTER.

(And no, I don't seriously expect that to ever happen)  Angry

I hate to say it but this one Barabbas called correctly.  I have to give him that at least...

I say this from day one: this ICO is fake and the majority 3000 BTC is the result of an insight push, there is no team at all and the altcoin community is disgracefully mislead by the Bitbay team. I was called FUDster, I was ridiculled and trolled by the army of newbie, secondary and shill accounts of Bob as well as delusional legitimate investors like yourself. Then I was banned from this thread so I opened a thread where myself and Barabbas have been explaining from day one how these scammers operate - which turned out 100% correct as David Zimbeck had having an active role in this scam, it was not a legitimate 3000 BTC investment, there is no team professional team with a business plan because the team is Bob, Gecko and Steven.

This should be a good lesson for you all who refuse to apply common sense when a few scammers show up and ask your investment.
1100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: December 12, 2014, 05:28:27 AM
I would really like a statement from bter and steve regarding this mess.

I believe they were good. I'm never aware of a single moment Steven was not trying to grow the project. Bob and Gekko made up the FAQ, for my to correct it there was a lot of pressure for me to develop. I was working like a dog while they hung it over my head lying all the time.

Their group made and controls the website.

But you were aware you piece of shit that there is no professional team, that Steven has never had a legitimate business while the plan is to take on eBay (with a leader whom as it turned out never had a business), that your investors were mislead with basically ... everything ... but you still refused to reveal what we have been asking for a week that here is no team and this is a scam ... which turned out indeed is a scam.
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