@Jay Jay,

I appreciate your civil post - it always great to have a constructive dialogue with a fine gentleman like yourself. :-)))

Since you mentioned what I do and shouldn't do, I can assure you that I have genuine interest in the success of this coin. Besides that, I am in an unfortunate situation as I got into this coin a few good friends, they have trusted my experience in Bitcoin and software engineering and quite rightly they are asking lately: wtf, what is happening with VRC while other coins doing well, is that's all what our experienced PhD students and MS developers can deliver ... and I have to admit those questions are valid.

While I agree with you that we need to give the developers time to deliver, it seems to me your are not familiar with the technological, software engineering, business and integrity issues the vericoin operation is having such as

a) There is no real, notable innovation in vericoin. Please refer to the source code or if you aren't familiar with C/C++ programming then open your wallet and I am sure you will agree with this premise.

b) The devs - who presented them self as capable software developers and we bought the coin assuming they can actually develop software at the level of btcdrak, Peter Todd, Gavin Andersen, Gavin Wood just to mention a few from the good ones - are incapable to develop this coin, they are so arrogant that this issue cannot be discussed and investors have no idea whether this issue is being addresses at all.

c) The integrity of the devs unfortunately is not pure nor respectable as you've described it. We thought the shady association with the scammer WizRig was an isolated event - it is not. See the latest shameful act of EffectsToCause and verileader Reavon when they assisted in that 132 BTC trade on IRC two days ago, which trade was very much on the border line of fraud. What is very embarrassing (personally to me as well), that this happened on the IRC channel, the whole shameful act was witnessed by a serious investor whom actually I suggested to go to IRC if he wants more updated info about the DEV4 affair (and then he visited the IRC channel and sent me the details of that 132 BTC scam event so I am familiar with what happened). All who involved in that scam/fraud on the VeriCoin IRC media in the first place EffectsToCause should be ashamed by their acts (and btw Kevondo if you read this, I doubt very much that Herman guy with the 132 BTC was Barabbas and it was certainly not me, instead of making accusations talk to your shining star Doug Pike about why he was interested to scam a retarded who happened to have 132 BTC).

Now, the issues I described in points a-c can be addressed with steady software engineering work and acting with integrity. I hope you will be helping to adopt such practices within this operation.

On the note of implementation details, perhaps we need to learn from the proactive, professional and competent approach of ViaCoin. It has been a very good money for me what's happening with Via, but as a VRC bag holder I would like to see the same progress with vericoin as well, and since it's not a rocket science really what btcdrak does with ViaCoin, there is nothing shame in learning from others.

If you really want this coin succeed Jay Jay, then in my opinion you need to pay more attention to the technological, professional competence (see devs), integrity and community aspects of the operation instead of being concerned about the critical voices of this thread.
Also, until you don't take issue with the community/devs that comfortable with homophobic and obscene insults - in case if when the insults are directed to critical investors - then don't expect better atmosphere here.

Speak soon :-))

  

You are absolutely right ScottAllyn, I have to agree with you.

One minor element that I would disagree on, that my intention was not provoking any one but hoping that the DEVs will say, it's enough, it's really not good investors are unhappy, it's sucks that we failed, lets start working and put the coin to the level that we have promised it's going to be.

I am sure you know I was one of the biggest supporters of the DEVs. It's clear from my posts in this thread and tweets that until the price has not reached the (in my opinion) critical 10k (Aug 12) I had unconditionally supported anything the DEVs did from software development to Wall Street trips to Conference attendance. However, once the price reached the critical 10k level, I believe there is no place for accepting the failure and the not delivering DEVs must be questioned by investors: why there is no progress as well as the investors must demand progress. I thought, since the DEVs asked my investment, it is very reasonable to demand work if the project is failed - which is clearly the case. Well my strategy to demand work didn't work out :-))) and it seems the DEVs are not interested in the opinion of disappointed investors and instead of start delivering they move to another forum.

Again, apart from this aspect of the happenings you are quite right what you said.

Of course I am not saying that :-)) Of course I should not loose my temper and just ignore the insults and not talk to the trolls (actually you guys are talking about some ignore button here but where is the ignore button so I can avoid the trolls? :-)))

Having said that, knowing myself I am sure I started to talk to everyone with nothing but respect, but if the responses for my initially polite but critical comments the FUDder, fuck-off, piece of shit, asshole, etc, were (the usual responses from socal, ereborltc, ofp), then you can't expect a civil dialogue, or can you? This is the classic case of school boys fighting issue who was the first - for example I never called the devs wannabe before Pnosker basically insulted all investors who lost money saying that they are basically suckers and no one told them to invest ... so in this case no one told the devs to be coin developers or if they think they are then it is better start working (I just mentioning this wannabe developers remark because I have received a few PM that point out that it was unnecessary rude and inappropriate).

Zsp, yourself and all users are quite right that we should not make this thread a war zone. I would be very-very disappointed if my son or daughter would act like this in a community thread. I guess it is a learning curve, learn how to deal with the trolls and remain civil. You see, other day one of the vocal cheerleaders told me this is the Wild West, fuck off looser if you lost money, etc., and such opinion makes you say, ah if this is the Wild West then lets shot. But of course it's wrong, during a gun fire no civil dialogue is possible.

Hi Jay Jay,

Good to see you here, we met on Twitter already, I appreciated your civil comments there and your above suggestion for a civil dialogue is a very good idea :-))

Since I have been writing here a lot, if you don't mind I wouldn't repeat my posts here again. Would you check my posts of last few weeks by clicking on my name and then click on the "Show the last posts of this person" link please? You will get my opinion, view and answers for all your questions by checking out my posts. Once you gathered the info please let me know if you need any more information. Let me know if you disagree with anything in my posts or if you think my views, statements or conclusions are incorrect, or your view differs from mine. Please don't hesitate to point out any errors in my posts in case if you find any - I am willing to admit if anything were incorrect or inappropriate in my posts. Also, I will be more than happy to explain why my seemingly harsh comments perfectly justifiable in my opinion (and of course in case you are interested in that explanation :-))

Also, since it seems you are concerned about the atmosphere of this thread, I would be interested in your view on the personal attacks and insults targeted to any and even the more civil criticisms in this thread or is that your concern at all? Knowing you, I am sure you disagree with the personal attacks and insults and you wish to address that issue as well.

Thanks :-)))

OK boy. It was enough. You have been advertising here for weeks your infinite richness, your clothing manufacturing business, what a rich business man you are and that you can buy everyone coins. And then when I want to meet you person to do the deal and shake your hand like men do business, suddenly you are worry about anonymity and that you can't reveal your identity as you said in your PM, because it is against the very purpose of crypto currency. You are a fake looser, most probably a scammer. Get lost.

What a fucking asshole you are that talking to me business in PM and after describing in the public thread what we talked there. Low life scumbag.

No wonder you don't want to meet me to do business face to face you fake looser, you shitting yourself to meet in person. You must be a 18 years old boy with dealing 1 BTC max, insulting online other users but shit yourself from a face to face deal. You talked here about your imaginary clothing business and imaginary richness, insulting here everyone who has different opinion than yours and when you would need to reveal the truth about your clothing business and would need to meet in person then you hide.

At least it's clear by now verileader that you are nothing else than a wannabe scammer with max 5k VRC, but pretending to be a legit business man a supporter of vericoin. You have no clothing business, no ability to buy any VRC and you are just a fucked up teenage cheerleader.

PM me please the details.

So you have no money and you shit yourself you pussy to do the deal in person. Fuck off then and never ever bother me with your buy offers you fucking retard.

You never offered me anything to buy and I doubt a mental hospital patient like yourself own any businesses, but lets try, money is money for me and for you as well, I guess we can put aside emotions. If you insist you have 150 BTC then you can buy my VRCs. I will need all your details, mobile phone, address where we can meet you to get done the deal. If that's all right PM me and we will discuss the deal outside of this thread - otherwise fuck-off and never ever mention that you can buy my coins.

And you are verileader, you own a clothing manufacturing business, you are a business man and you want buy my coins you wannabe trader :-)))

Since the hardcore cheerleaders 18 years old school boys like you are with 0.4 BTC combined wealth no wonder there is no buy support for this coin.

Viacoin will be fine. Honest and competent developers, the hard work and innovation are there, the main things for a coin.

We have a great community here  :-)))

Oh dear ... what a clown.

Don't worry. Since scamming, BTC bashing tweets, unrealistic price predictions, making hype at exchange troll boxes, dealing with the scammer WizRig is not alien to the vericoin developers Pnosker and EffectsToCause, I am sure they are quite happy that you are trolling and investors are unable to discuss the issues here. As I said, you are a perfect verileader for Pnosker and EffectsToCause.

What a perfect verileader you are :-))))
Pnosker the twitter ninja with his BTC bashing comments and 500k price predictions and EffectsToCause the scammer wizrig associate must be proud of you.

This thread is the prefect place to discuss the main issues of the coin: low price, low volume and the most probably causes of the problems the inactive developers who failed to deliver anything for months. We need to face the reality to come up with the solution, don't we?

If you are not trolling then read back my posts ... otherwise troll on :-)))

I understand you are trolling tonight :-)) you do what you gotta do, but this nonsense sounds ridiculous :-))

Well, I never said ANON is a must, quite the opposite, I subscribe to Barabbas' and Buy4Crypt's "good guys" theme idea which doesn't require the ANON feature.

I am not sure what you mean about the "back of bitcoin", if you refer to the fork then generally speaking nothing wrong with the fork, but everyone expected some innovation top on the Sunny King code base.

Man, you need to log-off you are having a mental breakdown. You wanted to be a troll but your nervous system can't cope with the pressure. Apart from that, a Verileader can't act like this so you need to fuck off :-))

At least what I reiterate is derived from real market data. What the fan-boys reiterate like today Michael the 100k price prediction that's going to happen within 2 months is based on pure delusion.

Let's identify the problems and try to find solutions :-))