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on: December 03, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
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Anyway, there is an interesting discussion in the BitBay thread and there are many rational arguments that point out why a decentralized market place (with the double escrow feature of David's Halo) would not work. And they haven't even started to discuss the main issue, that law enforcement agencies would shut down the whole thing.
A few people is starting to see the obvious. As for Halo itself (and NT), it is quite clear that they have no practical significant usability or BC would have rocketed a long time ago instead of keep on languishing at all time lows. Zimbeck has clearly detached himself -although not yet on the official thread- from the BAY scam, stating clearly he was hired to do a job but he is NOT lead developer, as it is still presented https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880138.msg9716537#msg9716537. He will deliver the software he is contracted to deliver and that's the end of his commitment. People at BAY still is not aware of this and believe BAY is Zimbeck's coin. They will realize the truth momentarily and the scam will implode very, very quickly. One of these days, some of these puerile, geeky developers is going to realize that the alt "economy" doesn't exist at all and that it does not cross over to the BTC economy -that exists and is growing... albeit at much slower pace than anticipated. Therefore to create tools for that (non-existent) "economy" is a total waste of time for it doesn't cross over to BTC's economy and it cannot be farther away from actual practical use in the real world. Everyone and his aunt has thought the "wonderful idea" of creating a crypto e-Bay... they just "forget" that eBay's success is due to the simple fact that it has tens of millions of REAL BUYERS, while any "crypto-eBay" will have a few pot-smoking, no-money-and-living-in-their-patents'-garage 30 year old losers only interested in 4 things (in no particular order): Pot, masturbating, hacked video games and not working a single day in their lives. That's the average demographic in alts. Quite a customer base! No wonder merchants are not exactly trampling over each other to get a piece of that particular cake... That's an interesting conversation between you and David. Since he mentioned you that he had a long private chat with me, it's probably all right if I mention here that I've suggested him exactly the same as you have: in order to provide investors with the correct information about his roles and responsibilities in the BitBay project he must make clear for everyone that he is just a developer, a contractor instead of the organizer of the project. Otherwise everyone can rightly assume that he is one of the scammers. I said to him as well that investors put money into the project because of him, while (according to him) he has very little control over the destiny of the project. I suggested him to open a separate thread to make a statement about it. It seems he doesn't want to distance himself from the project organizers. He came cross as a very civil and reasonable guy during our discussion, but it seems he can't make his mind up terms of how to communicate his roles on the BitBay project. I hope the altcoin developers read you description of their user base and revise their business plans by taking into account that info :-)) |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [VRC] | VeriCoin | POS-NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS | SuperNET Core
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on: December 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
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Oh and I'm not a bag holder of much so my feelings would not be hurt either way.
You see, that's why an unmoderated thread is great, that hardcore cheerleaders like yourself who don't have any coins but celebrate all BS from the non-delivering developers can post here, just like the bagholders can who are not very impressed with the non-delivering developers. Do you have any update on how the cheerleader brigade handles the great 4K price and being 90% down from ATH? In the meantime, as I read on the official forum that Jay Jay, the supreme cherleader has no idea whatsoever what the Supernet deal is all about. Doesn't it say a lot about the project if the project leader has no idea whatsoever what the Supernet deal is all about, however he argues, that VRC will challenge Bitcoin very soon. You guys just love pushing misinformation and twisting the facts around; good fun, eh? When did Jay Jay become the project leader? That's something that everyone seems to have missed. We didn't even get to congratulate him for his promotion from Community Manager! It's funny how you two keep harping on the fact that this thread is uncensored and unmoderated, yet there have been more posts deleted from this thread and more user accounts banned/suspended for their antics in this thread than we've had on the official "highly censored and moderated" forums. You two present yourselves as the righteous arms of free speech, yet you didn't say a single thing when those posts were deleted and those user accounts suspended. Get over yourselves and move on. Finally, Scott, the most sensible man of the unconditional supporters of this shamble is back! Having said that, it is rather unfortunate that you talking about completely irrelevant issues instead of letting bagholders know what is happening with Supernet or about issues we have been wondering about here. As for deleting the posts from here, I found it is quite hypocritical to bash this forum for deleting the post when you were the one who asked the BCT admin to delete the posts and ban the accounts as you were concerned that the trolls do more harm than good for VRC. One thing is sure, I have never asked anyone to delete any posts nor to ban any user accounts. As for Jay Jay, since he came here and directed all critics of the failing process to fuck off, he basically presented himself as as new supreme leader, it seemed to me that he is some kind of manager - not too mention he call himself "community manager" on your forum. How is it possible the manager of the operation has no idea what the Supernet deal is all about ? In the meantime he is wondering why the price is 4K. Anyway, no problem, I know you have no intention to offend anyone, I guess you are just one of them who are still dumping your early stage stack and you need to keep the status quo. To back tot he real issues, what's happening with the Supernet deal? Is James, PNosker and EffectsToCause still with VRC? |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [GDC] GadgetCoin | Smart Contracts on Hardware | IoT | M2M
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on: December 02, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
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Development Update
Thank you all for helping us for test the network. It is really great that this new coin with currently zero value and non existent market cap is bringing together users to develop a novel technology!
Currently there are over 50 test nodes on the network both on Linux and Windows OS. Several hard forks have been carried out during the last week to fix errors and faults. These aren't fundamental design flaws, but mainly performance related issues and software bugs. The role of this combined test effort is to finalize the protocol and software code. As the test goes on the number of nodes will be increased and new accounts will be added to the test network.
As we promised, the coins that were forged during the test will be transferred to the live network. This process will be transparent and the number of coins forged by each user account will be verifiable on the block chain.
We received several messages regarding the ICO and pre-sale. The distribution method has not been finalized yet, but as it stands now, the developer team is not comfortable enough to enter into an ICO or pre-sale process and to ask money for this coin. It seems most of the ICO process inevitable results in a lower price than the initial coin offering price was, it causes losses to investors and puts day trading pressure on the coin while we develop this technology with a longer view. We think the best way to handle the coin distribution is to allow forging process generate the coins and the free market decides the price. The forging is even more democratic, transparent and accessible for average computer users than mining, and in this case no GadgetCoin developers nor the GDC Foundation will take money from investors. Please let us know what you think?
Actually I prefer an IPO but I respect the developer team's decision, let us forge this great coin. You could be right about the IPO and can be some positives there which I can't see, so could you explain please, how exactly an IPO/ICO can be beneficial for us, investors in a market where 95% of the coins are scam. Isn't a big risk to pay money for a coin prior to the software is released and fully operational? |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [VRC] | VeriCoin | POS-NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS | SuperNET Core
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on: December 02, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
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Oh and I'm not a bag holder of much so my feelings would not be hurt either way.
You see, that's why an unmoderated thread is great, that hardcore cheerleaders like yourself who don't have any coins but celebrate all BS from the non-delivering developers can post here, just like the bagholders can who are not very impressed with the non-delivering developers. Do you have any update on how the cheerleader brigade handles the great 4K price and being 90% down from ATH? In the meantime, as I read on the official forum that Jay Jay, the supreme cherleader has no idea whatsoever what the Supernet deal is all about. Doesn't it say a lot about the project if the project leader has no idea whatsoever what the Supernet deal is all about, however he argues, that VRC will challenge Bitcoin very soon. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
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Anyway, there is an interesting discussion in the BitBay thread and there are many rational arguments that point out why a decentralized market place (with the double escrow feature of David's Halo) would not work. And they haven't even started to discuss the main issue, that law enforcement agencies would shut down the whole thing.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:49:13 PM
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We invite you to exchange bitbay.net BTC, LTC. The stock market is more than a year. The high volume of BTC / PLN, Since December we start to develop the BTC / USD www.bitbay.net what is that? That's a polish exchange named BitBay lol The stock market is more than a year. On the Polish market, we have the largest volume. Since December BTC / USD www.Bitbay.netLOL ... so the great team (you know Nicos from Russia who loves dogs and Holly from Taiwan who has family as this is the professional bio of the team) that's perfectly capable to take on eBay and build a 1 billion $ business hasn't even performed a simple name check for the project? Really? This scam is getting more and more hilarious. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:45:05 PM
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As with everything, it's just meaningless conjecture on all sides until we have the tools in our hands and can start trying out different options
Oh dear ... of course it is meaningless to ask very valid questions about the fundamental principles of the whole idea, i.e. how the decentralized marketplace would work and if it would work at all? (and main issue, that law enforcement agencies would shut down the whole operation was not even raised). Everything is meaningless that interrupt this scam, however the newbie nick posts about buying cheap coins has lots of meaning, isn't it? |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:36:12 PM
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... You dumb fuck, if you are not the organizer of this scam and not one of the dumpers, in other words if you are just an idiot who beleives in the fairy tale of 1 billion $ business, then just shut the fuck up, because you are arguing so hard that for this scam that it is getting embarrassing. If you are one of the organizers of this scam, then there is at least a rational explanation why you are arguing so hard, but in this case still shut the fuck up, because we got your point that Bitbay will take on eBay ... yeah it will. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:27:40 PM
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I apologize for bringing here posts from other threads, but since I think many arguments are really valid from the quoted user Gabralkhan, I thought it worth to post here too - especially that the scammers will surely delete it soon. It's just desperate how the scammers, their newbie nicks trying to keep going the operation by shutting down rational concerns and arguments like Gabralkhan's is. Be realistic, let's take the example of Alibaba, it is a system that allow Vendors to minimize their investment in sales structure, maximize their visibility and cut through intermediaries in exchange of Alibaba fees.
I doubt a lot of Vendors of Alibaba would switch to a system that require provision of everything sold at the level of sales, meaning a Vendor has to escrow also his benefices and his shipping costs and he is not guaranteed fully to get money in the end.
In case of a problem with the buyer, which is not able to free the escrow for some reasons, technical, personal or any reason possible the Vendor lost everything...Transactions are also about security and reliability of payment, I am not sure we can call an escrow something that implies a risk of loosing the money if something happen to the buyer.
Anyway, you have to think of BitBay as competing with other sales channels, try to have a business owner point of view, escrow and immobilizing funds, bear the risk of lost funds while the product is shipped.
I don't see it very attractive compared to the other sales channel for Vendors.
And for buyers either...You have to own 2 times the value of what you buy ?
Come on, people are supposed to buy BitBay coins to use the system, think about that, you think it will be fine for average people to invest 2 times the value they want to buy BitBays from fiat ?
You try to explain that BitBay is a system only made for people that have already a lot of money to guarantee the reliability and that prefer to use BitBay because they like cryptocurrencies...
Okay then but so we can't hope BitBay will go mainstream and will be widely used, and that price of coin will grow and be pegged to Dollar, because i think all these aspects are depending of the large adoption and wide use of BitBay, for me it is like shooting yourself in the foot...
Typical. Here is a rational, perfectly valid and logical set of arguments from Gabralkhan. What happens then? The army of newbie nicks and organizers of this scam shamble nervously trying to shut down the perfectly valid arguments by saying - the great Bitbay team (you know Nicos from Russia who loves dogs and Holly from Taiwan who has family as this is the professional bio of the team) will sort this out, we users don't need to think about it - don't make noise if you don't like what you see This scam is getting more and more ridiculous and desperate, while the organizers of the scam are dumping the coin below ICO price, as they will surely receive the remaining 66% of the ICO from Bter, and therefore every BAY sell at any price is a pure profit for them. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:23:17 PM
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Be realistic, let's take the example of Alibaba, it is a system that allow Vendors to minimize their investment in sales structure, maximize their visibility and cut through intermediaries in exchange of Alibaba fees.
I doubt a lot of Vendors of Alibaba would switch to a system that require provision of everything sold at the level of sales, meaning a Vendor has to escrow also his benefices and his shipping costs and he is not guaranteed fully to get money in the end.
In case of a problem with the buyer, which is not able to free the escrow for some reasons, technical, personal or any reason possible the Vendor lost everything...Transactions are also about security and reliability of payment, I am not sure we can call an escrow something that implies a risk of loosing the money if something happen to the buyer.
Anyway, you have to think of BitBay as competing with other sales channels, try to have a business owner point of view, escrow and immobilizing funds, bear the risk of lost funds while the product is shipped.
I don't see it very attractive compared to the other sales channel for Vendors.
And for buyers either...You have to own 2 times the value of what you buy ?
Come on, people are supposed to buy BitBay coins to use the system, think about that, you think it will be fine for average people to invest 2 times the value they want to buy BitBays from fiat ?
You try to explain that BitBay is a system only made for people that have already a lot of money to guarantee the reliability and that prefer to use BitBay because they like cryptocurrencies...
Okay then but so we can't hope BitBay will go mainstream and will be widely used, and that price of coin will grow and be pegged to Dollar, because i think all these aspects are depending of the large adoption and wide use of BitBay, for me it is like shooting yourself in the foot...
Typical. Here is a rational, perfectly valid and logical set of arguments from Gabralkhan. What happens then? The army of newbie nicks and organizers of this scam shamble nervously trying to shut down the perfectly valid arguments by saying - the great Bitbay team (you know Nicos from Russia who loves dogs and Holly from Taiwan who has family as this is the professional bio of the team) will sort this out, we users don't need to think about it - don't make noise if you don't like what you see This scam is getting more and more ridiculous and desperate, while the organizers of the scam are dumping the coin below ICO price, as they will surely receive the remaining 66% of the ICO from Bter, and therefore every BAY sell at any price is a pure profit for them. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME
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on: December 02, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
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Zimbeck is a very talented young man and it is sad to see that he ended up in assisting a shameful money collecting operation.
Well the jury's still quite out on Zimbeck... he seem to have had some talent... for chess. He ranked like 37th at some point I believe -which must be quite hard to do, but not difficult enough to make a living at it-, and he even published a book of chess puzzles ... that doesn't sell any copies either in print or digital form. Other than that, at 31, he's a total failure going nowhere soon having miserably failed at being an actor/model (he got to do a few sessions as an extra in movies and commercials), having even more miserably failed at being a "producer" - I believe somehow he produced a short film no one ever saw-, and even more miserable fail at being a photographer and, at 30, managed to see himself drowning on debt... which are not precisely the "achievements" of "..a very talented young man". The Black Halo protocol is one that no one uses, no one will ever do, that has brought to Blackcoin nothing but misery, since the price is stagnant at all time lows, 92% from ATH and quickly drifting to shit. Black Halo, smart contracts and Nightmarket or whatever other shit included. So the way I see it Zimbeck is just an opportunistic individual being paid by scammers -if not being the main one himself, which is the most likely-, to front a scam of pretty big proportions and that is already actively in progress but that, even as scams go, has been caught on time and, consequently, will be aborted in mid-progress. It HAS been aborted, already and Zimbeck and his employers are unable to keep unloading more than a very few BTC per day and at prices that will hit below 200 sat any time now. Since Zimbeck himself absolutely needs to get rid of his stack to cover debt, the unloading will continue and so will the price "progression", while this scam will quickly engross the checkered (pun fully intended) past of this questionably "talented" (relatively at 31 -- happy birthday, by the way...) young man. I was referring to the talent regarding mainly to the chess master role. Being an amateur chess player I appreciate the talent of accomplished chess masters. Apart from this, it seems your assessment is quite accurate. It seems David is a nice guy by default configuration, he just doesn't know what he is doing regarding to the Bitbay project, but this in the case of an ICO where peoples' money is involved could be a fatal mistake. A "nice guy" who hasn't worked a day in his 31 years of life and is in the habit of not paying his bills, THAT type of nice guy. By the way, have you read the just posted FAQs on the BitBay thread? That HAS TO BE the ultimate monument to raw, smoking, unadulterated bullshit... If after reading through that crap the dozen of "investors" still holding the ICO bags don't see clearly and get out of Dodge immediately, they will never see the difference between their asses and their heads. Wow. The mention of Non Disclosure Agreements with vendors is particularly hilarious, but the whole piece is just a riot beginning to end. But, still, I am puzzled as to how people may be so gullible and not see the evidence in front of them: Who is selling below the ICO price? Just answering that question with the minimum imaginable of common sense will give you the inevitable, obvious answer: There wouldn't be even a minimum market, none whatsoever. And yet they keep on pulling 15-20BTC daily out of the market selling way under 252. Guess who's selling at a "loss"? Remember they paid with the right hand and pocketed that payment with the left hand (first 33% of it, already in pocket. Another coming up in 4 days, the rest a bit later). It is ALL profit, no matter if they sell at 250, at 200 or at 25 sat or lower. All (minus BTER fees), profit, so the selling HAS to continue, no matter the price. Because David HAS TO pay his debts, remember? YOU (the bagholders) are actually paying them. I have been arguing these exact same points in the BitBay thread for a while. I have pointed out there how tragicomic is to hide behind an alleged NDA and in the meantime outline a business plan to take on eBay and build a billion dollar business. I have been also asking them and quite amazed by the professional bio of their team and keep asking the organizers of that scam about their great team: Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has a family ... really ... this is the professional bio of a team that supposed to take on eBay. No description of skills nor career history nor educational background, most importantly no name - you just need to believe that they have a team which is perfectly capable to build a billion $ business. I understand the scammers' motives and there is a rational explanation why the army of secondary, third and newbie nicks push so hard the operation, but how it is possible the few legit investors don't see the very obvious read flags, mainly as you said that the coin is dumped for lower than ICO price and all other issues we have been talking about here? It seems the greed or idiocy make them ignore the red flags. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [VRC] | VeriCoin | POS-NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS | SuperNET Core
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on: December 01, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
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Where are the good, old, tired Vericion bag holders? There are not even bagholders left in this failing operation? :-)))
I am expecting it to hit the 3700s again -and below- to load the boat a little bit for a quick rebound of 10-15%. I did it one and hope to repeat... although I'm fully aware I will have to be satisfied with lower and lower % gains every time. By the way, have you read about the new coin in the SuperNET, Opal? They already bring in the "decentralized storage", so what is VRC going to bring agaion? Ah yes, that Howard Stern-like radio operation by Lootz and Kevondo, amazing asset indeed. Even that 10-15% can't be a lot as there is no volume on the market, there's only 2 BTC per day on Bittrex. I was going to ask about Opal as well. It seems James fed up with VRC and assigned the decentralized storage feature for Opal. Surely, two decentralized storage offerings can't be parallel on the Supernet network. Not that would be a bad thing for VRC (as you pointed out the troubles with the decentralized storage), but does it mean the Supernet partnership is over? As it turned out the "killer" feature was the decentralized storage feature, what is going to push the price to 100k now? I mean at least in theory, what is the explanation, plan regarding to that Supernet partnership. In the meantime, EffectsToCause is working on a killer staking algorithm that apparently safer than the current one. Apparently the work is so complicated that it will take months to implement. Once the feature is completed, I assume in March, they just need to figure out to secure what, as by then absolutely no one will be using VeriCoin. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [APEX] BlockNET | PoS Phase, MULTI-Wallet with Exchange, GAMES
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on: December 01, 2014, 04:38:15 PM
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We are not dead, but MarlboroMan / JimmyZed and his little group of people here have been contacting me via email to post lies and false information about the coin so that they could pump the price. We told them we won't participate in their lies and schemes and he decided to dump the price today when we called them out, so after seeing all this we are positive this was the right decision not to go with there lies . In order to let the dust settle, we will be taking a small break to complete our new features and developments. Thank you for your patience with us and stay tuned for more great releases!
Shame on you Malboroman when we believed in you in the first place.
OK, keep developing the coin. We have seen this drama before, when you left and came back, then you stayed with the project and released a new wallet. If you do the same and continue working then everything will be all right. I am sure the community will be fine to put together a fund for you, but first please deliver what you promised and we understand the development takes time. As for the Marlboro guy, to be honest, being very long in Bitcoin and for reasonable long in altcoin I have seen all kind of users, and when I see users like Marlboro who keep predicting the 10K price and in the meantime assure everyone that he will not sell the coin, then that is the clearest indication that the guy is desperately hyping the prices and dumping or just about to dump. Quite desperate and obvious really. When I saw the very thin order book and price rising in the last few days without any real money in trade just selling for themselves, then it was clear someone is going dump. I urge all users and bagholders, don't worry about Marlboro, stick with the developers and let them deliver the software.you are here .damn amazing .we have the same thought on some of the altcoin.remember the tilecoin/? Yeah I remember Tilecoin :-)) at least this APEX is already bypassed the initial phase and the devs are still here. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [APEX] BlockNET | PoS Phase, MULTI-Wallet with Exchange, GAMES
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on: December 01, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
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Facts are devs are taking a lot of time and MalboroMan used to hype a lot.
I have no association with the devs, apart from that I had APEX from the beginning as a kind of hobby project (I guess I just liked the name), and I am here just to state the facts. Fact #1: development takes time. This coin is matured already, there is no ICO or IPO to raise development funds, and therefore the development resources are limited and better if bagholders form a kind of partnerhsip/community with the developers with a longer view instead of desperately try to ride the next P&D wave. Fact #2: Marlboro and his buddies have been desperately trying to hype this coin for a while. In the meantime, the market data indicate they are not even baby whales as they could generate a pathetic 20 BTC over a day by selling for themselves. I suggest everyone take the devs' word that the coin is still being developing. The devs been here for months, they still here, and they clearly said the development work continue - no reason to assume otherwise. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [GDC] GadgetCoin | Smart Contracts on Hardware | IoT | M2M
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on: December 01, 2014, 04:21:59 PM
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I am happy with the decision that no ICO nor pre-sale will be with GadgetCoin. I am fed up from all ICO, IPO, ITO or name it as you want the money collecting jamboree. Let users forge exactly how Satoshi Nakamoto wanted Bitcoin operate (as he never imagined that large mining corporations will take over the BTC mining process) and lets build up the coin price naturally instead of day trade never mind P&D with an ICO coin. All of us here for the dollar, but must be a way to do it in the right way without scam the hell out from each other.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [APEX] BlockNET | PoS Phase, MULTI-Wallet with Exchange, GAMES
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on: December 01, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
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We are not dead, but MarlboroMan / JimmyZed and his little group of people here have been contacting me via email to post lies and false information about the coin so that they could pump the price. We told them we won't participate in their lies and schemes and he decided to dump the price today when we called them out, so after seeing all this we are positive this was the right decision not to go with there lies . In order to let the dust settle, we will be taking a small break to complete our new features and developments. Thank you for your patience with us and stay tuned for more great releases!
Shame on you Malboroman when we believed in you in the first place.
OK, keep developing the coin. We have seen this drama before, when you left and came back, then you stayed with the project and released a new wallet. If you do the same and continue working then everything will be all right. I am sure the community will be fine to put together a fund for you, but first please deliver what you promised and we understand the development takes time. As for the Marlboro guy, to be honest, being very long in Bitcoin and for reasonable long in altcoin I have seen all kind of users, and when I see users like Marlboro who keep predicting the 10K price and in the meantime assure everyone that he will not sell the coin, then that is the clearest indication that the guy is desperately hyping the prices and dumping or just about to dump. Quite desperate and obvious really. When I saw the very thin order book and price rising in the last few days without any real money in trade just selling for themselves, then it was clear someone is going dump. I urge all users and bagholders, don't worry about Marlboro, stick with the developers and let them deliver the software. |
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