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1121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 09:10:51 PM
Fuck this scam. I lost 45 btc believing in that turd lying scammer david zimbeck. i want my btc back! Does anyone here know if we can sue david  to get our money back?
I read that david has 190 btc and 20 million baycoin. he should be forced to give that all back to us right now. He is a scammer liar. he has been lying to all of us since day one.

DAVID YOU FUCKING SCAMMER!  GIVE ME MY 45 BTC BACK

Actually I know that.

If you feel that you are the victim of a fraud crime, and the fraudsters are David Zimbeck, the Bitbay team, and most likely Bob & Co, the following can be done:

1) Contact the dutch police in the Netherlands to press charge against the fraudsters. Since the crime was promoted on the Bitcointalk forum and the Bitcointalk servers are in the Netherlands all logs will be obtained from their ISP Nforce Entertainment in Roosendaal. (No worries about Bitcointalk, the servers won't be confiscated so you won't cause any trouble to Bitcointalk and its user base)

2) The Netheland police then will identify the members of Bitbay team (relatively straightforward process based on the IP addresses even if they use proxies) and then European Arrest Warrant will be issued against David Zimbeck and the Bitbay team and I assume against Robert Duskes (Bob) as well.

3) Since the fraudsters aren't in Europe the Interpol will issue an International Arrest Warrant.

4) David will be captured in Cambodia or wherever he hides, the Bitbay scammers will be arrested wherever they are and Bob will be arrested in Canada, and then they will be extradited to Netherlands.

5) You will get compensation, because to minimize the inevitable jail sentence the fraudsters will compensate you.





1122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
A lot of talk yet no one has any proof.



Thanks for posting this!

It has been very clear for weeks (since Bob appeared in the Bitbay thread) that he is calling the shots and he is the boss of David Zimbeck, and the evidence you have submitted confirms the partnership of David Zimbeck and Bob.

1123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
If any legitimate posters have any concerns as to the authenticity of the screenshot, I will gladly arrange to message one of them on skype and post a screenshot of me using the same version that I posted above to communicate with them.

Thanks! Following this offer I don't have any doubts about the authenticity of your screenshot. You said that you will use this Skype client and you agree the caller could submit the screenshot, and that's good enough for me and you came cross as a credible user - unlike this scumbag who insult you and defend the Bitbay operation whatever happens.

Judging by your post history, you do everything you can to defend bob at all costs, so I don't take your concerns very serious. If anybody that is respected around here wants me to prove it, I will be more than happy to do that for them in order to shut you up for good. Then again, I am sure you will find something else to argue about.

Oh, you shouldn't assume that this little wanker qawzsx boy would call you. No. This cyber crusade clown is tough only online, he is capable only in insulting you as an anonymous user. As you said, this scumbag does nothing but try to justify the Bitbay scam in 24/7 and then when you ask him to lets meet and you can insult me face to face then he run away. He was arguing here with his mate for hours yesterday about the payment schedule of ICO and then when it was proven that they talk absolute bullocks his mate was man enough to say, "sorry, I was wrong", but this wanker just ran away. Don't worry about him, he comes here to humiliate himself, he is the punch bag of the unmoderated thread.
1124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 05:33:19 PM

this people are ruining your investments, not the bitbay team!

Or, "this people" just having a discussion on an Internet forum - which is by definition to talk about digital currency matters - about an obvious scam, Bitbay. By now it is clear for every users with over 80 IQ (i.e. over the functionally idiot IQ threshold)

a) what low life, scumbag scammers the Bitbay team and David Zimbeck are
b) how the 2700 BTC ICO was completed
c) what Bob's role in the scam

I know for you shills and puppets who are pathetically pushing that scam it is very new that people come to talk to an internet forum - but it happens.
1125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 10:02:13 AM
As David still continues to lie and avoid the basic questions, I have been gathering many pieces of evidence from people who aren't even asking for reward. They just want to do what is right and tell the truth to other honest investors with serious concerns and questions. All of the data will be soon release ousting of Zimbeck for all his lies, dastardly deeds, side-stepping, and misleading. The simple questions were not answered honestly and with the information I have already received I feel deeply sorry for those who believed in him and his ploy. The results will show that Zimbeck is 100% behind a greater scheme and is in collaboration with known market manipulators and players. It's not only "BobSurplus", it's already clear Zimbeck is protecting Bob and now sandbagging. I have received evidence that even bigger players have had BIG roles in Zimbeck's crypto "chess game". This entire scheme has been orchestrated by Zimbeck himself while simultaneously holding the majority of the currency and now he protects those scammers who helped get him to where he is now.

It's important to note, an honest man will never have anything to hide. Also, it is "good" men who do nothing that is evil enough.

As the evidence piles in, the conviction becomes stronger. Zimbeck - it is time come clean before you hurt many other people in the process. You are pinned while in a rut and have entered a t/d. What is your move?

Thanks for the update.

That explains why David Zimbeck refuses to reveal the identity of the scammers, why he protects them and why he refuses to make public the BTC addresses of the recipients of the ICO fund so the community could audit the ICO distribution process.
1126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
Im not misleading you. I'm entitled to my own personal life and privacy. If I demand to know your personal business, how much BTC you hold, what the addresses are, what addresses you live in your social security, a full audit of every aspect of your personal life, im pretty sure you would tell me to get bent.

I even posted personal addresses which is unheard of in crypto. I link to that below.

How big of a hypocrite do you have to be to hide behind a keyboard and a fake name with anonymous bitcoins and preach "freedom for the people" and "we deserve our privacy" if you cannot respect the privacy of others.

Ive not told a single lie anywhere here. I have simply chosen to honor the word to the person that hired me. And Ive clarified many times, Bob is a scumbag and he did not hire me. Im very aware of who he is and i think he is absolutely the worst kind of person and feel nothing but empathy for anyone who associates with him so naively.

The fact that I even respond here should tell you something that I'm not the one you should be pestering.

Have you tried contacting anyone from Bitbay? No of course not. You all attempt to talk to me because you know im kind and willing to talk to you(a quality of mine that is being abused considering the degree of namecalling and lack of sophistication). For me to even waste a second posting here is time not spending on my coding and responsibilities.

And protecting the privacy of another person is in fact honorable because it means i honor my word.

It is not my obligation neither in any way shape or form to discuss with you. Everyone knows im one of the most honest people in crypto. I dont hide behind a fake name, im totally transparent about my work, I even posted addresses earlier in this thread and discussed my fee. The link is below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880138.20

And it was discussed in more detail in this thread.

I already told you, you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm the one busting my ass protecting the investors and you dont even realize it.

I liked you... but now I see you talking shit about me..... Fuck you zimbeck.. Ima sell all my bay and be done with this coin..

Laterzzzz

Bob, more and more disappointed people looking for you and want to see you in jail, it seems you will be very busy to deal with those disappointed people.
1127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 07:48:22 PM
Well now it's just your word. Both Bter and Bitbay would take a dent if this information wasn't correct.

Then, suppose it was it would indeed make the theory somewhat less worthless.

Oh dear ... my hardcore cheerleader friend ...  you are either a poor retarded or just a troll. You are questioning why I am claiming the 3 x 33% release.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850267.msg9708219;topicseen#msg9708219

and since I don't assume you know how to click on a link this is from your Bitbay FAQ:

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A: The BitBay team will not receive all of the investment funds out the gate. As stated during the ICO period, only a fraction of the community investment will be available to the team for immediate use. The rest of the funds will get released by bter exchange as we hit our development milestones. Here is a breakdown of how ICO funds will be released to the project:

- 33% of dev fund at completion of ICO / delivery of initial wallet. (This threshold has been met.)
- 33% of dev fund at btc at delivery of wallet with integrated smart contracts (Dec. 5th, 2014)
- 33% of dev fund at delivery of our decentralized marketplace (1st quarter 2015)
-  Remaining balance of funds after 60 days of stable marketplace performance. At this time the BitBay team will also be releasing their Phase 2 road map.


----------------------

Anyway, even with the 3 x 500 BTC is completely rational from the scammers viewpoint the scam as it still a very profitable, the invested BTC results significantly more returns than any other market activity would, even that they need to wait an extra 60 days for the money.

Now, I had enough from you cheerleader.
1128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 07:28:17 PM
Show my where this is announced and I'll believe you.

Show you what? Show you who modified the Bitbay OP and when? When this thread was opened, in the very first days of the ICO the terms were 3 x 33% plus 1% later - I guess that's why all of us assumed here the 66% was delivered to the Bitbay team on the 5th December. Whether Bter has changed the terms or the Bitbay wankers communicate it differently I don't know and I couldn't care less, what I know is that the original terms were 3 x 33% instead of your understanding which is the 3 x 500 BTC schedule.

Anyway and again, even with the 3 x 500 BTC is completely rational from the scammers viewpoint the scam as it still a very profitable, the invested BTC results significantly more returns than any other market activity would, even that they need to wait an extra 60 days for the money.
1129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
The fact is, the 66% of the collected BTCs has been delivered by 5th of December

Says who? Where? They've reached 2x 500 btc milestones according their own ANN. That's 1000 btc. If you think that's really worth jeopardising your entire operation which could be worth several multitudes of that then that's your own cynicism projecting.

Since you started your hardcore cheerleader mission only last week it seems you don't know that the original terms were 3x33% fund release instead of 3x500 BTC schedule (plus the remaining 60 days later). This explains a bit your ignorance and it seems that you are not a shill but a naive newbie account who simply isn't aware of the original terms which are
 
33% of the funds will be released by the completion of the ICO.
33% of the funds is released by the completion of smart contract enabled wallet no later than 5th December
33% will be released on the working market place
1% will be released after some times

That's why I said by now they must have 66% of the ICO. These were the original terms - go and check it with the Bitbay team if you don't believe it - the scammers bought into their own ICO assuming such conditions and such terms made a risk free buy into their own ICO (not that the new terms introduces a massive risk as they just have to wait 60 days more  to get the funds from Bter).

1130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 05:56:26 PM

It makes no sense to be bears on your own product you need to deliver on before you see any money in the first place.

Don't lie in this unmoderated thread, this is not your usual shill/puppet hype making jamboree but the place for discussing the facts.

The fact is, the 66% of the collected BTCs has been delivered by 5th of December, and there is zero risk regarding to the remaining 34% as David will surely deliver the software. So where is the risk in selling any BAY coins if the larger part of collected Bitcoin is already in the hand of the scammers and the remaining portion will be surely in their hand soon?
1131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
altcoinuk

The community only wants me to do my job. And this thread definitely distracts from it. Im only going to try and help build the coin and help those who invested in turn. Speaking of which im going to have to get back to work.

Have a happy holidays and a fine new year.

I suggest David comply with the community request. It's a simple and reasonable request from the community, and if you refuse the assist in revealing the facts about your Bitbay team mates then quite rightly you will be held responsible for the mess that you and your mates created.
1132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 05:47:34 PM
Fack off scamer you word is worthless, and all you do is insult people to try to make your worthless points of view heard. Your just a scam coin promoter plain and simple.

All his posts are full of insults because he is an idiot, unable to bring anything to the table and therefore he tries to overcompensate his own worthless present by insulting others. Otherwise no one would even notice the little puppet. Don't worry about him, he is just an over compensating wanker.
1133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 05:02:57 PM

If some scammer of the dev team bought 100 BTC worth of coins and sells it again he still has 100 BTC of the 3000 BTC ICO and the profit from the sell, maybe he sold average at half ico price, than he has 150 BTC, right? If that is true, they can dump it down to zero Shocked Roll Eyes.

Precisely Randy.

That's a most basic method to pull off a scammy public offering. You can experience with that all the time in the Moscow, Tel-Aviv, Prague,  Budapest but even in the London or New York stock exchanges, more importantly we have been witnessing this all year in the altcoin market. Bitbay is no different. The only difference with the Bitbay ICO is, that Bob & Co is in it and therefore the number of shills and puppets is significantly higher than usual which consequently attracts more legit investors who are obviously idiots in case, if unlike you, they still refuse to acknowledge what's happening.
1134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 04:53:06 PM

Certain parties artificially boosting the ico sales is a realistic scenario. But then your only profit will be what you sell above 25 and not what you sell below it.


You are getting there, good. Finally, you agree with what we have been arguing here from day one that buying into your own ICO indeed a realistic and very common practice in order to attract legit investments into your offering.



But then your only profit will be what you sell above 25 and not what you sell below it.
 

Now you need to get your head around this as well, not to mention you are throwing arbitrary numbers like the 25 into the discussion.

Once you received from Bter your own ICO coins (in this case BAY) you can sell it at any price. Obviously the objective of the scammer to sell it at 5k sats, but in an absolutely stagnant market even if you sell at 100 sat and make only 500 BTC is a lot better than any legit projects like BRO or TileCoin could ever hope,. So for the sake of rational reasoning you will have to agree that having such passive market conditions, the  selling at any price make sense from the scammers viewpoint.
1135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 04:36:25 PM
The more coins the BAY team bought themselves, the less investors could have bought. The more investors bought, the less the BAY team could have sold.

There's no 'pure' profit there. They could only play even at most. Which is doubtful as I suspect Bter doesn't do the whole thing for free.


You, the Bitbay team have 1 billion coins, and you take it to Bter. You, the Bitbay team put 1500 BTC into the ICO, that attracts another 1500 BTC from legit investors. Since the ICO is completed you will receive the full 3000 BTC that means you received back you own 1500 BTC as well as you receive the 1500 BTC legit investment

Which could have been 3000 BTC legit investment if you let the whole ICO be bought.

Quote
Once you have the BTC, any BAY coins can be sold at any price, that will be a pure profit.

They don't have the BTC yet. They only created a functional smart contract wallet. That's 1000btc minus whatever BAY they bought themselves minus the development costs. Woopidoo.

So any coins you've bought are the ones you can sell. That's still EVEN or LESS than what you've spend it on.

The fact that the Bitbay team have received only 66% of the ICO doesn't invalidate this classic P&D scam since the remaining 34% will be surely delivered as David will surely release the software.

"If I follow the milestone scheme

- 500 btc at completion of ico / delivery of initial wallet. (This threshold has been met.)
- 500 btc at delivery of wallet with integrated smart contracts
- 500 btc at delivery of our decentralized marketplace
-  Balance of funds after 60 days of stable marketplace performance. At this time the BitBay team will also be releasing its Phase 2 road map.

The Bitbay team just reached their 2nd Milestone. That entitles them to 33% of the whole ICO. The rest, including whichever amount you think they invested, is still with Bter."



Your math, by your own effort to make it fit in your own agenda, is quite flawed.

Let me correct it for you so you cannot continue claiming you "don't see it".

Real numbers, around 2,700 BTC collected total on the ICO. 550 of them from real investors, the other 2,150 from Bobsurplus and the "Chinese". Are we clear on this so far? OK...

- 1st release from BTER: 900 BTC on first threshold.
- 2nd release, around December 5th, 900 BTC.

Pending, 3rd release of 900 BTC when Zimbeck delivers working software for decentralized marketplace...

So we have 1,800 BTC of the original 2,150 fronted, already collected. Rest of the original "investment": 350 BTC.

Now Bobsurplus has been selling since day one after the launch and has collected THOUSANDS OF BTC from those sales, fron 300 sta price to 68 sat price.It doesn't matter the price, it is gravy already, the whole of it. Get it now? Lets assume he has sold 2,000 BTC (you choose the figure) already. He ALREADY is up 1,650 BTC. With, obviously, plenty more to come. EVEN if the house of cards falls today completely and somehow BTER decides to keep the 900 BTC it is still holding, Bobsurplus has ALREADY made a ton of money. Now, even in this, present and very real worst case scenario, he is going to make still thousands of BTC more pure profit, even if the price drops to a few sat. You FOLLOW, finally? That is, by the way, the REAL MATH... except for the cost. Other than clerical, organizational -which comes from Bob's fees to his group, the only cost of this operation is David Zimbeck. They (the "chinese" and Bob) paid him 100 BTC for adapting Halo to BitBay. Another 90 or so when the first release of ICO money. And 20 million BAY. Do you get the fucking picture now?

Now, to the new "white knight" that just came in here pretending to be and "Internet Investigator": All of the above figures have been posted here several times, the latter part coming from Zimbeck himself, so your questions, just like the rest of your posts, is completely irrelevant and very old "news" for anyone with real interest in this scam that has been exposed on these boards practically since day one. Whoring for attention the way you have come barking in here will only get you a very, very cold reception, alright?


Please Barabbas, how can you say such thing that Bobsurplus has been selling from day one? Bobsurplus said himself in the Bitbay thread that he is not selling but buying (actually that's funny, the wanker really said that) and that is good enough guaranty for the shills and puppets that Bobsurplus isn't dumping. Again, Bobsurplus said himself, the man who up to date dumped all coins on the investors, so because he always dumps - in this case obviously he doesn't dump. Logical.

Any altcoin users with an 80 IQ could computed out from the last year performance of Bobsurplus by now that when he says he is buying, then in fact he is selling. That's what he does. He gets the coins quietly and then he make the hypes that he is buying when in fact he dumps already. Just like any classic P&D, his P&D could work only this way. But no, Bitbay is different. For Bitbay Bobsurplus became the combination of Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama to bring happiness to humanity and make Bitbay investors rich.
1136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 04:13:46 PM
@Decentradical

Interestingly ignored  this from my post:

"The fact that the Bitbay team have received only 66% of the BTCs doesn't invalidate this classic P&D scam since the remaining 34% will be surely delivered as David will surely release the software."

Which of course invalidate your argument that the fund has not been received as the Bitbay team could dump any coins without risk as they will surely receive the remaining parts of the ICO from Bter.



Which could have been 3000 BTC legit investment if you let the whole ICO be bought.



No it wouldn't be 3000 BTC. In this dried out market where the BRO ICO could raise only a few hundreds the Bitbay ICO could never raise 3000 BTC - that's the main point.

Anyway, I rest my case. There is no point to explain the basics to ignorant idiots nor to trolls.
1137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 03:24:48 PM
If you're buying your own shit at a high price and selling that same shit at a lower price then you either lose or you turn even. What kind of retarded conspiracy is this?

You must be trolling here, which wouldn't be surprising knowing your performance in the official thread.

You, the Bitbay team have 1 billion coins, and you take it to Bter. You, the Bitbay team put 1500 BTC into the ICO, that attracts another 1500 BTC from legit investors. Since the ICO is completed you will receive the full 3000 BTC that means you received back your own 1500 BTC as well as you receive the 1500 BTC legit investment - plus obviously you get back from Bter 500 million BAY coins for your own 1500 BTC. During the ICO process right hand put money into the left hand to create volume and attract legit investment. Once you have the BTC, any BAY coins can be sold at any price, that will be a pure profit. Of course from the scammers viewpoint it is better to sell at 500 or even 5,000 sat, but to minimize the risk in this collapsing altcoin market it is probably better to sell it at any price - and that's what is happening right now when the coin is dumped at 90 sat.

So if the Bitbay team collect 1500 BTC legit investment and dumped 500 BTC worth BAY in the last 3 weeks - they are 2000 BTC up. Even if they collect only 500 BTC legit investment, they will realize 1000 BTC revenue.

The fact that the Bitbay team have received only 66% of the BTCs doesn't invalidate this classic P&D scam since the remaining 34% will be surely delivered as David will surely release the software.

The altcoin market does nothing else but replicate this well know P&D method that we witnessed hundreds of time on the stock market. Again, are you new to this market or just trolling?
1138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 03:12:52 PM
altcoinUK, i did and i will take care.

So, the last thing: Final day of ICO, someone posted on BTER CHAT: "Price WILL be 100 satoshi soon and that's sure!". Do you know who posted this? It shows me that the goal of 100 satoshi was planned and is not an accident.

Edit: But i must admit, back these days i thought it was only a joke.

Oh Randy, please ... that post isn't the result of a planning process, but outcome of a common sense reasoning. It was clear from day one, users who don't wait for the Pump and don't want to ride Bob's waves say from the begining (read back this thread and Barabbas' thread) that the 3000 BTC ICO is fake, and therefore it is logical that the price will be 100 Sat soon, as the organizers, who bought into their own ICO can dump the coin at any price. It's just a very basic P&D ICO/IPO method even in the stock market to attract legit investment by creating a volume. So there is no planing terms of that post just a logical consequence.
1139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 03:06:18 PM

Most people aren't making that connection here.


On the other hand Decentradical newbie account who push the Bitbay operation 24/7 is making the connections. Except, that Decentradical newbie account found nothing wrong in the following

1) The Bitbay team volunteered the information to us at the beginning of the ICO that they are long time Bitcointalk account holders, however (as they said) for privacy reason they lunch the Bitbay operation using new BCT accounts.

2) A 3000 BTC ICO was completed on a completely dried out market where a promising operation like BRO, with a legit, professional and credible team could collect only 300 BTC.

3) At least 15 newbie puppet nicks were activated to create the hype just in the last one week, the hype is just desperate and pathetic.

4) The team which suppose to take over eBay is Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has a family, but their professional profile can't be revealed as an alleged NDA in place. However, it doesn't bother you right?

5) The coin is dumped at 90 sat - no legit investor sell at this price nor panic dump result in the magnitude of the sell off, only the scammers who bought into their own ICO could dump at this level. For you it is natural market activity, right?

6) Even David Zimbeck acknowledged, not only privately, but in this thread that the Bitbay ICO was indeed pushed up to the completion by the scammers and not by legit nor free-market investment, additionally, even David acknowledged that the current dump can not come from other than the organizers of the ICO who bought into their own offering.

(I could continue to list a few points to make connection, but I guess there's no point to bombard you with facts.)

Anyway, tell me Decentradical newbie account who push the Bitbay operation in 24/7: how it comes that you fail to recognize the above points, but you are making only connections which results in an unshaken faith in the project?

1140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 10, 2014, 02:48:55 PM
Zimbeck trying to distance himself from Bob & Co. Hilarious.  Cheesy

Yeah, but despite the big talks, it seems he isn't man enough to do the right thing and work with the community to end that scam and protect the naive investors from Bob & Co.
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