I quoted myself for the first time. No answer? According to the Blackcoin guys vericoin has dropped the idea and not going to roll out the vericoin VISA card. |
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... so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.
Why the ideas need to be sent to you instead of write directly to this thread? Are the devs so busy that unable to follow this thread? It's obviously not the case here as the devs delivered nothing in the last 9 weeks, they don't work on the coin (at least do nothing that make sense) and should have time to read the input from investors/community members. This guy is so desperate to be something -other than Nosker kiss ass pet- in Vericoin, along with getting some money with his silver coin business on the side, that he has appointed himself as some sort of missing link between the community and the stooges. Even though the stooges, as you point out, have not done anything at all but read these boards and post here and on twitter, 99% unnecessarily -and damaging- stuff for 9 weeks. But, mind you, they are busy: This is an active forum with some long posts by some posters -hint, hint...- and reading all the stuff takes time. And then they have the vacation, the family, those biology papers coming up and the full time job and Mr Softie... It is not that they don't know their faces from their asses, you know? It just lack of time. But there comes the pooch to help with the suggestions... It seems that's the case. I hope you will be able to convince the community and the devs to accept and implement your "Good guys" theme. Probably that is the easiest and most sensible solution here (though I don't expect the arrogance of the devs allow such radical change). Good luck with that anyway! :-) |
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You wrote that enthusiasm and dedication are meaningless, for me it's everything. Without it the Vikings wouldn't have explored Newfoundland and Edison wouldn't had invented the light bulb because he didn't stop trying. If you are enthusiastic and motivated you can reach nearly every goal. And the enthusiastic Vikings are fucked-up and don't even exists, while the less enthusiastic, but practical, rational and problem solver Swiss people enjoy their prosperous country. The enthusiastic attitude and general sentiment of the community that anything the developers suggest must be the best thing that ever happened to mankind made this open source decentralized currency project a cult, in which the cult members (cheerleaders) wait the Sun shine out from the developers' asses, and once light is out in the form of lame ideas such as the VISA card then the cult members start the usual hype making dance and standing ovation ... and then the market reaction is a facepalm, and the price remains at 9k. PS: On the note of the VISA card idea, anyone knows who pays the US$ 15,000 fee for Coinsis? It is paid buy EffectsToCause or the devs dumped US$ 15,000 worth of VRC to pay that fee for the noname and untested Coinsis? source: http://www.blkfeed.com/topic/170/coinsis-business-proposal-and-the-15k-previously-50k-ultimatum |
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... so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.
Why the ideas need to be sent to you instead of write directly to this thread? Are the devs so busy that unable to follow this thread? It's obviously not the case here as the devs delivered nothing in the last 9 weeks, they don't work on the coin (at least do nothing that make sense) and should have time to read the input from investors/community members. |
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That was a veri good hangout out session. Doug Ty. I learned a lot from it regarding how coins function as to how I thought I previously knew.  A well Deserved Applause at the end to. Still nobody want to realize of the evident? Every time dev # or dev #2 (in this case it is almost a daily occurrence), opens their mouth the price takes a hit. Why do you think that is? Oh I'll tell you why that happens: Because they have absolutely nothing of substance to say. Or worse: What they say is so utterly ridiculous that the effects are, ALWAYS, counter-productive. As I have stated before many time: Keep your mouth totally shut. And open them ONLY when there's something ob substance to be said. That goes for interviews too. And, above all, before you say anything, think, reflect, study, ASK FOR GUIDANCE and finally say just what you should know by then it is appropriate and STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. Once again, like talking to the freaking wall... Jesus Babrabbas...why dont you take your own advice! no ones listening... the way you talk no one wants to bother with you..good ideas or bad ideas doesn't matter, you come across rude and disrespectful..dont u get it by now... you ARE talking to a wall... Simply amazing: Neither you, nor the other three (total) useless cheerleaders that keep on posting inanities day after day, hour after hour here, in spite of insisting that they want to only read what other cheerleaders post, as in veritalk, get that you are four (total) and that the vast majority of people with a deep or passing interest in Vericoin has absolutely no interest whatsoever in listening to your constant and mindless "support" (propaganda, rather). Now, keep on asking for censorship, as you do 10 times a day, but here, where there's none -nor is wanted, of course- instead of going where you rightfully belong. Get this: You are 4 cheerleaders and 3 stooges, ok? Simply amazing... since your prob glued to your screen waiting for a reply ill play with you since you seem lonely, but its always the same usual drunken rant... proving everyone right ... your not wanted in the cheerleader group , get it? why so much effort? aren't you tiered ? lol I thought you gone by now to veritalk to wait the sun shine out from the devs asses... we said goodbye to you already. You have added nothing the discussion apart from a) insulting investors who voice constructive criticism here b) celebrating the nonsenses and rubbish that brought the price to 9k. |
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I found it quite reasonable to ask why any Gran, Joe or Janet in the first world would bother using an alt currency when they can use CC or PayPal or OK Pay etc.
I fully agree, virtually impossible to push trough the idea to the general public. There is another, perhaps bigger issue with the Vericoin VISA card, a conceptual problem. Eventually crypto currencies will be accepted and used, but certainly not via conventional payment schemes such as VISA. Quite the opposite, crypto currencies will succeed because this new money address the shortcomings of conventional payment schemes. |
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1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin* if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?
The best question ever in this thread. Many of us have been asking this question here, personally I am asking it since the lame VISA card idea was announced. Of course there is no rational argument that could justify such lame idea, a centralized credit card for a decentralized currency. Additionally, the devs are too arrogant to admit that their delusional worldwide mass adoption theme failed and completely infeasible. Don't expect any price increase with the current direction. |
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Great! It's time the useless cheerleaders, silver coin creators, radio hosts, so people who failed to progress the coin and supported the actions that brought the coin to 9k go way. The issues needs be discussed here without you hype makers. Bye, have a good time at veritalk |
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@altcoinUK: Well bro, I have a feeling, that you are already lost to the dark side of BobPlop and gang. Your point of
view regarding importance of blockchain2 is simply wrong. Vericoin does not need
blockchain2 on itself. It can use existing platforms like ripple, stellar and what else is going to get
realized on this field. I feel like you are just annoyed, that your point does not get the dev´s and
community´s attention you had hoped for.
As for I am annoyed that my idea doesn't get attention, yes personally I think apart from BTC the blockchain 2 coins are the future, but there are other coins which I have invested (Ethereum, Viacoin, 2 other smart-contract start-ups that are not altcoins and not public yet and waiting for the Skycoin IPO as well), so there is no annoyance from me regarding to the reception of my suggestions - I have plenty other opportunities to be involved with blockchain 2. To be honest what is important to me that the devs start to implement anything that works, like implement a rolling doughnut hole in the wallet so users can take a flying fuck into the doughnut hole, because from publicity and mass adoption viewpoint that would be more useful feature than the current delusional worldwide mass adoption theme and its useless, lame VISA card idea. Terms of the technicality, I appreciate your comments, but we have never discussed the implementation details of blockchain 2 here, so I am not sure how do you know what my suggestion on implementation level is :-) I have pointed out here white papers, source codes, current implementations such as Ripple, Counterparty, Ethereum, but we never ever got into the details terms of design and options on implementation level. I am not sure why do you think the supporters of the blockchain 2 theme had the chance to discuss here anything. Actually, probably there is nothing to discuss and expect as the devs are not in the league of Peter Todd, btcdrak not to mention Buterin. We investors thought they are and capable software developers - it seems they aren't. To be honest, from a short chat with pnosker I have the impression the devs don't even understand the source code of bitcoin, litecoin, vericoin (pnosker had no idea what OP_RETURN output is) which is not surprising as vericoin is a Sunny King copy/paste fork with very little added value from the vericoin devs. Again, we investors thought the devs are capable to take the forked software to next level, unfortunately they are not. That's why Barrabas' idea does make sense, and perhaps the "good guy" theme is the only solution here. |
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A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."
The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat. Yup with several options including a new debit card. Fully agree. Not to mention, using the VeriCoin VISA card the man could bring back the swallow from the dead. The FUDders don't get it how useful is the Vericoin VISA card. |
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A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."
The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat. |
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@skycoin
Thank you for the above technical overview, background info about the project and sharing your view on digital currency. It's absolutely amazing material, really inspiring and can't wait to see the implementation :-))
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... and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... You don't understand it and this credit card isn't going to move the coin forward - as you can see that clearly from depressed market reaction. This VISA card will be used by only bag holders and fanboys, maximum 100 users worldwide. The delusional worldwide mass adoption theme will be not progressing with this card. The worldwide mass adoption theme would benefit more from an agreement with the Massai tribe in Kenya to use vericoin in goat trade - that's how lame this credit card idea is. |
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c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.
card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency
Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc. One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already. That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front. seriously your all the same fudders and nothing is ever good for you , we vericoin "cheerleader" are loving this and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... good for wtv other coin is doing the same... please now vericoin is getting serious and were looking good for getting reg folk to use vericoin cc..PLEASE WE NEED A MODERATED THREAD.. we don't need to scroll through 4 pages of nonsense from the same fudders all the time .. WTF, are you all right? LoL He asked how can one pay with BTC at a gas station and I answered. It's not my fault that the delusional worldwide mass adoption plan doesn't make sense because there are technologies that make possible BTC worldwide mass adoption, so vericoin has no chance at all in that area. thanks for the info, whomever is implementing and marketing this tech is doing a horrible job. first page on Google i get a wiki. I dont see companies, Startups, blogs.. so explain to me how regular joe/jane public would know of this.  I am sure since you are so hyped up on it, it must be valid. it is not that i am delusional, I seek knowledge. At the same time I have to see the practical aspects and real world applications. Not some wiki or Btc paper. Honestly this is the one of the major hurdle that crypto faces. All this advanced tech which geeks fully grasp and the average person will just look at it and wont get it. Do you think most people understand how the products that Apple or Google create work ? They don't care, they use them because the human/computer interface is easy and allow them to have practical applications. I am sure the tech you mention is fine and works. I will look more into it as well as more info on Blockchain 2.0 No problem and good luck with your research. There are growing implementations and start-ups for green address type of things. One that support instant BTC transactions is https://greenaddress.it You asked about instant transaction and that's why I mentioned the green address concept, and pointed out that the instant feature is not good enough unique selling point against BTC. Yes, you re right, for mass adoption crypto needs to be more easy to use for the average user. |
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c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.
card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency
Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc. One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already. That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front. Thanks for the info, I did not know that. I did google green address and what do i see ? multiple articles on the tech. As for start ups I saw none. Is anyone marketing this ? It's not a marketing theme. It is a terminology for a payment method to perform instant bitcoin transactions. Actually you could have a timed transaction on the green address to perform transaction in a trustless manner, without relying on a centralized third party. As you know the bitcoin blockchain and transaction processing is not suitable for instant transactions, and therefore the green address is one option to overcome on that shortcoming. Better to admit vericoin won't be able to compete with BTC, forget the lame ideas like Veribit and Vericoin VISA card and start the actual work in some other area. |
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c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.
card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency
Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc. One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already. That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front. seriously your all the same fudders and nothing is ever good for you , we vericoin "cheerleader" are loving this and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... good for wtv other coin is doing the same... please now vericoin is getting serious and were looking good for getting reg folk to use vericoin cc..PLEASE WE NEED A MODERATED THREAD.. we don't need to scroll through 4 pages of nonsense from the same fudders all the time .. WTF, are you all right? LoL He asked how can one pay with BTC at a gas station and I answered. It's not my fault that the delusional worldwide mass adoption plan doesn't make sense because there are technologies that make possible BTC worldwide mass adoption, so vericoin has no chance at all in that area. |
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c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.
card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency
Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc. One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already. That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front. |
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We discussed that for long already. You remember when I started to talk in this thread about Ethereum, Gavin Wood's white paper, blockchain 2, Counterparty, etc. and you joined the conversation and subscribed to the idea. Since the devs are not interested and they have no skills to implement any blockchain 2 features no point to discuss that further.
I guess you don't even know how capable our dev. are  You would be surprised I guess. But Programming takes a lot of time. Just take look at DRK and how long it took them to develop just one thing. Darksend+ took over 6 months and still not completed. While Blockchain 2 is another caliber. I guess you know how many well skilled people work full time on Ethereum while we just have 3 devs with family and dayjobs working on this coin. You can't expect anything groundbreaking and outstanding by them in a short time. Development is time consuming especially when you code new things. But I have to say our developer are really skilled and doing very well at what they are doing. All right Galix, you are 23 years old and your enthusiasm and interest in software development is great, but I have been coding software, working with developers and investing in software companies for over 25 years. So lets not discuss what software development requires terms of resources. No disrespect but you don't know that. You have no idea about Ethereum. The core component, the cpp-ethereum is virtually written by one guy. I actually know Gavin Wood and yes he is quite exceptional developer/scientist, but still the 40 people of the ethereum team has nothing to do with the core component. Similarly, only Peter Todd and btcdrak work on the viacoin ClearingHouse, terms of team size less then the 3 VRC devs. If the VRC devs would have the adequate skill set and they would start coding then it would be possible to compete. They just don't do the work. |
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Also when people start using the card, the circulation will be much greater!
Except, nobody is going to use the card only bag holders, hardcore cheerleaders and fanboys. Apart from this small problem, the worldwide mass adoption plan is great. |
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For the plan they have it's actually really good to have a debit card for Vericoin. For the plan yes. The problem is the worldwide mass adoption plan is completely infeasible. Even BTC struggles with that worldwide mass adoption. What are your Idea behind blockchain 2? What would bring something to VRC that makes it unique and actually brings value to it because VRC is getting more useful then now?
[/quote] We discussed that for long already. You remember when I started to talk in this thread about Ethereum, Gavin Wood's white paper, blockchain 2, Counterparty, etc. and you joined the conversation and subscribed to the idea. Since the devs are not interested and they have no skills to implement any blockchain 2 features no point to discuss that further. |
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