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2841  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: June 24, 2023, 07:53:23 PM
I don't know why people choose gambling as their main source of income and I don't know who chooses gambling as their main source of income.

It is possible that most of these people who think that gambling can be a possible main source of income have a successful initial experience when they have won consecutively over their sessions.  Thus thinking that gambling is an easy place to get money.  Aside from that, many think that it is a great thing to have their main source of income where they can enjoy while earning.  But we all know that gambling is a good place for entertainment but not a source of income for a player since the result of gambling is random.




Those may be isolated cases as very few people win in consecutive ways,at least so far I don't know anyone who has gone to the casino 10 consecutive times and to have won ten times out of ten times that he played.That is true though,some people who win 2-3 times in a row think that wow it is so easy to make money in gambling and they don't think cold headed to further analyse that slot machines have a house edge in place in order to guarantee the casino profit in the long run.The ones who used to be a lot of people who thought they can had gambling as a source of income were sport players many many years ago where not that much surprise results were common back then but even those could not guarantee profit in the long run and as such gambling can NEVER be thought as a source of income.
2842  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Don't gamble if you don't have patience on: June 24, 2023, 04:37:35 PM
DON'T GAMBLE IF THE INSTANT WITHDRAWAL IS NOT AVAILABLE!

Yes, I agree. I've experienced the same thing. At that time I made a withdrawal but there was a problem with the bank account that I was using (this problem occurs when playing using fiat money). Because the bank is having trouble so the withdrawal process is pending and I'm waiting for my normal bank network to play the game with a little money. But it doesn't work very well, I get to lose a lot. I got emotional and raised the bet. It didn't take long, all my money was gone. I failed to make a withdrawal

Controlling emotions when playing gambling is indeed difficult. When the money runs out and the withdrawal fails, only regret remains. I just thought "why was I playing again at that time? If I closed the site and opened YouTube to watch entertainment shows maybe my money wouldn't be gone". But it has happened, time can not be repeated. Now I always stop when I get a big win and withdraw all the money on the site.

Well, I can't deny something, there is nothing that bothers me more than being told that withdrawals are not instantaneous in a casino, first of all that makes me think a lot of bad things, because at once it comes to mind that it is a casino scam, and it's something natural I can't help it, the bad experiences I've had with casinos are for that reason, because they say that the withdrawals are not instantaneous and that they are manual, because they need to check if it's legal or not, or because Different ways that casinos have to kill time, particularly when that happens, the first thing that I imagine is that the casino has no funds.


That is a valid point and that is why most reputable well known casinos have instant or almost instant withdrawal time.That means that they are ready to payout no matter which amount of money one user wins and want to withdraw and this means that the casino is prepared for any scenario.

On the other hand if the casino says this and that trying to use as an excuse that they need to manually check the transaction I would also think the same that some sort of shady behavior is there as there is nothing wrong in withdrawing instantly as long as the casino has put controls in place before processing your withdrawal so it does not make a lot of sense for me either.
2843  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Turkish Super League 2023/24 Season on: June 24, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Galatasaray was the strongest team last season but I think Fenerbahce will be back this year and winning the title,their problem the last season were inconsistency and some failed games no one would have expected of them,this resulting in Galatasaray winning the title as they did not make as many errors as Fenerbahce did.This last season was not good at all for Turkish teams in European competitions compared to what they are able to achieve usually and I think in this upcoming Champions League season Galatasaray needs to go past group stages or at least to go to Europa League direct elimination stage as a minimum.
2844  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 24, 2023, 10:35:06 AM
Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.


The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.

That is some really deep crisis if this is sponsored from the outside as it means the world had enough and his Ottoman empire style of leading rather than a Western Government where he,Putin boasts himself as a great leader of a great liberal nation.

Ukraine should be very careful as this may as well be orchestrated (highly unlikely as this has been going on for months) and as such they should not be at all distracted from their counteroffensive objectives to liberate as much land as they can and this is a great moment to come forward.
2845  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 24, 2023, 10:12:58 AM
I stayed clear of commenting on posts concerning Ukraine and Russia conflict because it became complex. In the forum, supporters of these two nations attacked each other and it was that serious. I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia and if you speak well about Russia, Ukrainians will dislike you. But today I needed to speak because what I heard today broke my heart. Prigozhin an insider of Russia declaring that this war was founded on lies is a pointer that this war was senseless. There were no Fascists in Ukraine, the claim was totally false. This is total war and not a special operation. The loss of lives and properties was just for the political gains of a few greedy men. Putin and his cronies lied to Russian citizens and supporters.

Ukraine war based on lies: Wagner mercenary chief

We knew this all along,the West knew this all along that is why they supported Ukraine this much in this senseless war,it was much different than Crimea in 2014 where the West and EU did not do much in sanctioning Russia and that was seen as a weakness ready to be exploit so Putin made up a big army in these 8 years up to 2022 when he decided to invade Ukraine.

While Putin wanted to become a great man in Russia history and to be seen as Peter the first all the other gang from Kremlin want just personal gains with Shoigu being at the forefront and accused from Prigozhin that he just wanted a hero star.Things have precipitated now and we may see a lot of changes in the coming days.
2846  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 24, 2023, 08:15:59 AM
Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

As soon as I start to get bored, there is a sudden new plot twist in this story. Whoever wrote this script has a good talent for keeping the audience's attention. Grin

I don't think Russia is capable of staging such a massive content being a fake one,it would be great for any country proving this to only be a fake in order to distract attraction from the counter offensive that Ukraine is slow slowly conducting liberating every single meter of Ukrainian territory.

If that is not the case then I am afraid we would see a civil unrest in Russia and Putin must be very careful to not awake the discontent of the citizens because then it is truly game over once and for all for Russia.
2847  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 24, 2023, 07:52:54 AM
All sorts of sketchy videos are surfacing ...........
At this point in time question everything on anything you see on the magic black screen.
Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.


Putin just gave a televised address to the country saying that this was a "stab in the back" and armed mutiny against our country,personal interest have led to betrayal of our country and everyone who is responsible for this treason will be punished,all the national security forces are in combat readiness and even the special forces Rosvia are on the ground.

Honestly it does not look good,it is only natural though that when you keep on losing for 1.5 years at one time the rage to get out of you and redirect to the one who gave orders.
2848  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Confident Are You In The Reliability of the KYC system on: June 24, 2023, 07:28:23 AM


In any case, KYC shouldn't be questioned, it's a very reliable form of verification to ensure that law enforcements can get a hold of you when shit hits the fan, and it's also a form of customer protection as a company that requires KYC is obliged to work in close relations with their respective government, if things don't go well for you, you can sue them in court and have them pay you for reparations.

That should be the case but in some cases, casinos are declining the KYC because they cannot establish the identity how can it be possible if you are the one playing and you submit all your documents then you are declined?
It's hard to accept for a player if he can't get his account verified even though all the documents needed are already submitted.

I already did KYC on government institutions and some sites and they accept it because it's really me and all the documents they requested are all submitted then how come casinos cannot?



This is quite one of the terrible that will happen of a gambler who entered a casino platform here in the crypto gambling industry that after we gave our important documents to them, only to find out in the end that we were just declined.
The difficult thing here is that we have already declined to what they want and they still know and hold our true identity. So the risk of this is that we are not sure if it can be used in a bad way at the moment that the only thing we can do is pray that it is not used in a bad way.

If you follow their guidelines and if you play in important well reputable casinos who have a huge turnover of millions of dollars in a year then they will never ever decline your documents until there is something terribly wrong with the documents provided.

I have given my ID card and proof of address plus utility bill to two of the most prestigious ones and they verified my account in less than 30 minutes,I call this a very fast time and the department dealing with KYC to be one of the best out there.

If you play in less well known casinos I would never suggest you verify KYC in them as who knows who is behind their team.
2849  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: June 23, 2023, 08:47:19 PM
~snip~
The post-monthly bonus is a fixed amount, which depends on the our VIP rank. I have also received a little higher amount from the post-monthly bonus than the last weekly bonus. But my weekly bonus was really higher than my expectation. Stake team has indeed adjusted the missing amount from the previous weekly bonus with the latest one.

I received the same post monthly as I received last month and of course it depends on our VIP rank,I received 2.01 USD in three 0.67 reloads,the same as last month,that because my wagering habit has been exactly the same,kept playing the same game again and again and used the same amount again and again  Grin.

However if I can sum up all the bonuses received from Stake during this month they have been somewhat over 25 USD in total for my mere bronze VIP so it will be difficult for any other casino matching these amount of bonuses.
2850  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: June 23, 2023, 08:28:26 PM
Binotto is actually not a bad engineer. There were some other issues existing at Ferrari and it looks like there is still not much thing solved. Binotto could have still continued his career at Ferrari as an engineer at least. Vasseur came to be the new boss but I even wish Ferrari brought back Binotto in his place now.

Because the current look of Ferrari is much worse than their first times in last season. You must be remembering how solid Ferrari drivers were at the beginning of that season. Maybe they faced serious durability problems later but they still showed that they could be really competitive if they worked hard.

But now who knows when they will even reach that level first.

I have kept a close look at what Vasseur is doing at Ferrari and I doubt he is doing anything better than Binotto when in fact he is doing much worse,I don't know what the f*ck was in Ferrari mind when they removed their lead engineer in favor of a new lead one that came from a much weaker team than Ferrari and Vasseur did not have any impressive results with that team so that Ferrari to have made the move,I don't know but maybe a lot of politics was involved as F1 is becoming more and more centrist when it comes to politics so this is my explanation for this and together with this the bad results of Ferrari so far.
2851  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: June 23, 2023, 07:54:32 PM
Big bass finally got the well deserved upgrade with Big Bass Amazon Extreme new game from Reel Kingdom the Pragmatic Play partner,now they offer a lot more free spins,not 40 max but 80 max at up to x50 multiplier which is a huge improvement to the game,of course the volatility is much much higher but I tried it out and lost about 300.000 IDR with the lowest bet confirming my hunch,a really extreme volatility for the 2 hours it took to take all my IDR way and I used quick spin otherwise I could have even played well over 4-5 hours with that amount.
2852  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: June 23, 2023, 07:40:37 PM
I have recently read an interesting essay on this topic, but it was already explained it to me a few years ago.

The thesis would consist that, although the probability of winning classical lotteries is near zero (typically between 0.0000007% in the case of Euromillions and 0.000003% in the case of national lotteries), people is willing to pay an excessive overprice because they are buying the right to dream about the possibility of winning.

Although there are extreme cases that get addicted to lotteries, this is quite uncommon if I'm not wrong, because, if you are not paying for the probability but for the possibility, a bet of 1 USD is enough to buy said possibility.

On the other hand, national lotteries are known to be "taxes on ignorance of mathematics", but if these revenues financed public expenses that revert to the common good: would you agree to pay systematically 1 USD more in your annual taxes as something that ensures the right to dream of a dear life of every taxpayer?



My national lottery where I live now is 15 out of 90 and they charge for a single ticket from 1 USD to 2.5 USD depending on the price and based on the price ticket they decide the outcome of the major prize.It is exactly that,this is taxing ignorance in mathematics or people who are dreamers,I sometimes buy one to ten tickets max as I love to see the draw in TV every Sunday,who knows sometimes the prize is well over the price of a new good living apartment so why not spend from 1 to 25 dollars a week for chasing a dream,I gladly become an ignorant in mathematics as long as hopes keep my dream up,I have never won anything because of the low percentage but 25 dollars a week is money I can afford to lose so no worries for me.
2853  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will you cheat in gambling? on: June 23, 2023, 01:57:37 PM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

The only thing I would do in the ones mentioned here is to place a "fixed" game bet but notice I put it in square brackets,meaning we normal people do not have a chance to get one such game.It is strictly in closed circles that only very few people know about it and they place a bet through different gambling accounts they have.This is to not cheat the casino,this is you know valid information that the casino does not know in this case and I don't see anything morally wrong here,nowadays information is power and who has information nowadays is king.

I would never cheat on slot machines or any other games while there are a lot of people who have found exploits in slots before and used them,almost all of them have been caught though but I see nothing wrong placing a bet which you have inside info,it is because of your effort that you get that info.
2854  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: June 23, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
Meanwhile, those who bet on FUN Tokens are really very small, the odds are in the range Less than $ 0.005000, only @ 1.01 it's not worth betting at all on price predictions on this token.

On the other hand, I see it as more than impossible for FUN price to go up above 0.005 currently, given the bad performance, and only a whale buying up everything would move it that much.

Odds wise, this means 1% chance for it to happen, but in reality, I think it's more like 0.1% chance.

In other words 1.01 when the payout should be 1.001 seems actually very big value to me lol

In my eyes, there are no "sure" bets so betting on odds like this makes no sense for me. We have had numerous examples (also on this forum) of bets that went wrong by betting on this low odds. Chances that the FUN tokens will go above 0.005$ is indeed very very low, but there is no value for me on it.

I don't think betting on FUN token at 1.01 odd would provide a massive substantial amount of money in profit if you put even huge amount of money on this bet,the reason is that you will get just 1% plus and let's say that you put 1000 dollars on it you will get 1010 dollars in total,if you put 10.000 dollars on it you will get 10.100 dollars so logic wise it is never recommended to try and risk 1000 for 10 dollars or 10.000 for 100 dollars,you get the idea.The bet also can go wrong despite me thinking it will be a sure win but you need like 100.000 dollars to get 1000 dollars,again not worth risking this amount of money for that little profit you get.

You know what would be better,any amount of money you think to bet on the price of FUN to use it to buy FUN instead,you can buy a huge amount of those tokens nowadays.
2855  Economy / Gambling / Re: Which r best slots for bonus hunt on: June 23, 2023, 01:04:53 PM
Which r best slots for bonus hunt
Which r best slots for bonus hunt

I do 150 spins

Recommend slots on nolimit gamomat



I wonder why people keep playing slots where they have to chase it by using a lot of spins,usually the provider which gives you the bonus round in less than 200 spins on average is Play n Go.In No Limit City you can buy directly the bonus and no need to get tired by chasing it which does not guarantee you of any success of achieving it,Gamomat is an old provider not that popular nowadays,we have Pragmatic Play,No Limit Ciy,Play n Go and Relax Gaming as the most well known slot providers.

Nowadays most casinos offer a list of buy in bonus round slots so you should play there as it costs like x100 your bet to get the bonus,meaning no need to spin 100 spins as you don't know if you will get it or not rather use the buy in feature.
2856  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: June 23, 2023, 12:04:16 PM
I got the golden spoon but I'm okay with it because I had random picks for Canada but nothing really worked for me. I might keep doing random picks simply because I'm so boring of RedBull and Max dominating that I simply don't enjoy watching the race any longer. What is appeal to F1 right ? No spectacle , no crashes , no real competition , no rivalries ...nothing. It's like we are watching the same season on repeat for 3 years already.  Sad

I don't know any golden spoon but of course you must have gotten the wooden spoon which is the prize that the least performing participant gets not only in this predictor but in every predictor that is run through Superbru.

I have to agree with you,the Canada race was extra boring.I think a good appeal to F1 would be to get the race done during Saturday if it is raining in order to give us fans something back to get hyped for,this to be done only when a team is dominating the F1 season for more than 2 years,of course when normal amount of rain is present just like it was this Saturday on Canada,that would be a nice rule to add to F1 but I know most likely many will disagree.

Yea , I edited my post after you corrected me and makes sense haha. I had wooden picks so I had to get a wooden spoon right ? But in my defense , I did random picks Grin Grin and the outcome was really a chaos one.

2nd of July we are heading into Austrian mountains for F1 and here is that one race where I see no chances for Max to lose the race or the pole.

I am afraid you are again right,the track suits Redbull really well,however last year we had Charles win there and with a clutch problem,the car could not go down than third gear so Charles did a wonderful defending race and Max was not able to overtake him on the track.This is a beautiful technical track but seeing temperatures of over 30 degree Celsius in most of Europe I highly doubt we can have a chance of rain in Austria despite Austria being a country where in the past has rained a lot.

I think no one should go with random picks,well no one except the ones who have got nothing to lose,all the others should try to collect as many possible points in each and every race thus increasing their chances of a prize.
2857  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: June 23, 2023, 10:11:51 AM

If it is said who will surpass Ronaldo's achievements in scoring goals, I have two player options, namely Mbappe and also Haaland.

Mbappe? Maybe. But Håland? I am not sure. His drawback is that he plays for a team that almost never qualifies for major tournaments. So obviously the number of matches get reduced. In case of Mbappe, he plays for a very talented team and the position in the starting XI is not always guaranteed in the long term future. Ronaldo had everything going for him. He played for a comparatively strong team, and he was guaranteed of a position in the XI. And the bets part is that he may continue playing for Portugal for a couple of years more.

Haaland has 24 goals scored in 25 games for the national team. If he maintains such a fantastic scoring he could overtake Ronaldo with even fewer games. Moreover, taking into account the fact that there are more games of national teams and competition in garbage tournaments such as the League of Nations is low, he will have many opportunities.
Your viewpoint on Haaland surpassing Ronaldo has merit, but there's a broader game at play. The footballing arena has evolved, with a cramped calendar due to FIFA and UEFA upping their tournament game. More chances to shine, but it also dials up burnout and injury threats. As for UEFA' Nations League, I have reservations. Given the existing Euro Cup, doesnt this feel like unnecessary garnish on an already frosted cake? This burden of added fixtures may stymie Haaland's progression rather than boost it.

I think these added fixtures can make Haaland progress further more than stop him or make him go down in performance,that because in theory the games of UEFA Nations League are easier than the Euro qualifiers and some teams do not bother much with these games and use these as testing grounds for the important competitions like EURO and World Cup,as such Haaland will have more possibilities to progress his career with the national team in a better level.Of course he cannot keep all the pressure in his shoulders for a team like Norway but he can of course become (in fact he already is in my opinion) the best player in which Norway to rely to move further and achieve something good out of this national team.
2858  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: June 23, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
FP1 MotoGp Assen is underway and I saw that Marc Marquez and Fabio Quartararo also appeared in this session even though there were rumors that they would not appear in the MotoGP Assen race, but they didn't seem to have any physical problems and were declared fit to appear even though Fabio Quartararo was has been doubtful to appear due to a toe injury he received through sports in the past few days. I expect quite an exciting fight in Assen because every year there are always tense races here (in Assen).

Assen I believe to be holding races on a Saturday like it have been the case in Netherlands at least in MotoGP because F1 still conducts races on Sundays there and Assen they call it otherwise "the university of MotoGP" meaning is the most technical track of the whole calendar.It will be great to see Marquez have a chance to race in this track,while Bagnaia is alone in the first place in the standings this is a difficult track for everyone and each of the riders has unique risks of crashing in this track,also the rider skill is much more emphasized here than in any other track and that is why Assen race is always the most beautiful of all season to be watched.
2859  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Between futures trading and gambling on: June 23, 2023, 09:15:16 AM
There are many gamblers that can gamble just to have some fun and make money in the process and there are some that focus on gambling only to make money so I would like to ask such people a question.

would you prefer to gamble in a casino and make some money or learn about futures trading and make some money?

Which one do you actually find to be more easier and I believe that futures trading is also capable of giving someone life-changing money but which one do you believe is less risky than the other?

I think both of them usually are the same thing and I know many people will disagree claiming that in future trading you have more chances of winning.I would say to these persons that it is the same as both in gambling and future trading,predicting the future is involved which is not a consistent way to make money as when we gamble we win 1 time and lose 100 times thus to relate to the future predicting,we predict it right one time and we predict wrong another 100 times,not much difference in my opinion between the two except that you can easily make more people come to trading than you can make them come to gambling,meaning trading is not seen as bad as gambling.
2860  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: June 23, 2023, 06:39:27 AM
The odds for the range of $32,501 - $35,000 have decreased to 25x.
Yesterday when I saw the odds for the range $30,001 - $32,500 it was 18x and now it has decreased to 8x.
There are still more than 24 hours left and I am sure the odds would decrease a lot by that time.
It looks like this range is the choice of many bettors to place bets because in 6 hours it has dropped to only @3.51 and it looks like there will only be around @2.50 when this bet closes, but those are still quite big odds if bettors only place one bet, it will it is different if you place it in several ranges because the profit will be reduced due to the allocation of money used in some of these ranges.
Meanwhile, those who bet on FUN Tokens are really very small, the odds are in the range Less than $ 0.005000, only @ 1.01 it's not worth betting at all on price predictions on this token.

The reason the odds have decreased so much I think it has to do with the fact that a lot of firms are buying Bitcoin and asking to use a license to operate as ETF and at least 5 major firms have done so in the USA so it is only natural that most people are expecting for the price of Bitcoin to raise further based on this happening.I personally believe that there is not much room to go past 32.500 based on a big single event like this one but if it happens I am sure we are all happy about it as it means our coins immediately have more value and that is what we fight for here.
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