What is traded on Liqui are IOU (I Owe You) ANS, these coins are not yet in circulation (they do not exist). Lqui invested money from their users in Antshares ICO and then credited their accounts with virtual ANS depending on their invested amounts. Since the mainnet is not yet launched, they can not withdraw them. The same goes for all ICO and bounty participants.

You are very welcome .


Yes, Xaurum is not designed to replace Bitcoin, it is designed as a better form (I guess) of store of value. What is also interesting about alternative cryptocurrency in general is that there is a higher chance to have a return on investment which is higher than what Bitcoin could offer nowadays in the same time interval. For instance XAUR was at 6k to 7k sats through the different phases of the RICO, now it is exchanged at more that 17k sats at the moment ... and will probably reach a higher price once listed on a bigger exchange (at least that's what everybody hopes ) ... And if you really want to get rid of your XAURs, you coud melt them and get the gold base amount which might be higher than what it was when you bought them ... (but this doesn't seem to be an optimal solution, as the price will probably be higher than what you could get in gold.)

According to Mint VIII stats:


So 1 XAUR is backed by 0.00039.... g of gold.


The fee is 0.2% for both buyers and sellers.


Yes it is cheaper for you to directly buy gold. What makes Xaurum worth buying is the fact that its gold base increases with its use and coinage. Moreover, Xaurum is issued only if there is demand for it (if its highest price on exchanges is greater than its last production price).

You can lock a topic if you created it (if you are OP). So yes, as you say, only OP or the mods could do that.

I was probably unclear when I said:


I meant that you m3110w, can lock the topic Unable to post new topic...? [PRE-ANN] AntShares--Digital Asssets for Everyone that you created. You can do this if you no longer need users to add comments to your topic.

What you were looking at is a locked topic. A locked topic is a topic on which you can't post unless the creator of the topic unlocks it. This topic was locked because it was a PRE-ANN and now the ANN topic (which CoinBreader pointed out) is the reference.

Now, if you don't need this topic any longer then you can lock it . Lock topic button is found at the bottom left of the page.

What do you mean by mining xaurum? As I understand it, mining XAUR is not yet available ... Anyway you probably should contact Aurum Project for any issue you are experiencing.

What Liqui seems to be proposing here is that a user invests through them and they credit their account with IOU (I owe you) ANS, meaning that these ANS are not already in circulation. These ANS will be calculated by the Antshares distribution formula and credited on the user's Liqui account so that they can trade them even if they actually don't have them. This is what I understood ...

I don't know if Antshares are aware of that, but I think that their approval is not necessary for Liqui to do that. Liqui invests their users' money and promises their ANS will be available for withdrawal once the mainnet is launched.

I tried to create a poll question with five choices, however when I clicked on Ask the message An error occurred was displayed, maybe five is too much or maybe the contents of choices were too long.

By the way should I report potential issues here, or send them by email?

D'après ce que j'ai compris, voici ce que je retiens à propos d'Antshares :
- L'algo du consensus : Pour résumer le consensus est atteint si au moins les 2/3 des nœuds qui y participent sont d'accord. Ceci pourrait être problématique si une seule entité arrive à détenir les 2/3 des nœuds et donc contrôler le processus.
- Lors de l'ICO, les investisseurs auront des ANS qui leur permettront entre autres d’élire les nœuds qui participeront au consensus et de récupérer les ANC générés par chaque bloc ainsi que des ANC pour des services qu'il fourniront.
- En plus d'être générés à chaque bloc, les ANC constituent une forme de paiement en contrepartie des services rendus pas les nœuds participant au consensus et pour toutes les opérations possibles sur la chaîne de blocs Antshares (création et enregistrement d'un actif numérique par exemple).

N'hésitez pas à me corriger si je dis des bêtises et à apporter des compléments .


Oui, et pour info la prime est d'au moins 1000 ANS, comme spécifié ici https://www.antshares.org/en-US/Blog/Details?id=16 ... donc comme dit ZenFr ce genre d'articles c'est plus de la pub qu'autre chose ... J'ai mis à jour l'annonce avec d'autres articles, n'hésitez pas à jeter un coup d’œil à l'annonce de temps à autre, j'essaie de la tenir à jour .

Ça contient du copier/coller d'infos présentes dans le thread originel et dans le papier blanc ... Tu voulais discuter d'un aspect en particulier ?

I am not mixing up my words, in your previous posts (the ones before the zion one), you didn't mention that you were building the market, so that gives the impression that there is a market (being built by some people not affiliated with you) is interested in Monero Classic. Now, I understand that you are the one building the market.

Thanks for confirming that there is no escrow as some seemed to think ...

You say you have official propositions from vendors and that top vendors are going to use your TOR marketplace and yet there is no way of verifying that claim apart from believing you ... That's not what I would call objective.

To sum up:
- You are building a new market that will solely use Monero Calssic.
- You, the co-founder and the dev are holding the keys. There is no third party/escrow involved.
- You talk about top vendors making you propositions and showing interest in your marketplace but there is no objective proof that any top vendor is interested in it (and thus in Monero Classic).

PS: My questions were written before the zion post, but didn't get answers, I just deleted the post and reposted them as the thread's latest message so that they gain visibility in case you missed them, I probably should've removed the question about the fresh market before reposting.

Is there any objective proof that there is a market interested in Monero Classic?


Yes Monero is, but this thread is about Monero Classic which has the very same properties as Monero thus raising the question why use Monero Classic instead of Monero (which is already popular) ...


I think I missed that information, I can not find it anywhere in the thread, can you please refer me to where it is stated that this project has an escrow and who is the escrow?

And my two previous questions :

This still is not clear.

What is not censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized about Monero?

Why would Monero Classic be adopted while Monero is already (being) adopted?

Can you tell us more about this fresh market or any other market that will be adopting Monero Classic, so that at least one can verify by contacting them?

What advice would you give to a buyer? As I see it, there are some issues a buyer might be concerned about:
- The garantee that neither the seller nor the escrow (if there is one) will claim the ANS attached to the private key once the ICO's over.
- The medium used to transfer the key that must be chosen so that no other party has access to the key.
- How would you settle a dispute in case many investors claim the same ANS address?

All these points seems to make it very complicated for someone to buy an investor's private key without fully trusting the seller, the escrow and Antshares.

The links you mentioned point to masK (with a K) network. This thread is about masS (with an S) network. I hope this clears up the confusion.

En fait, le problème est que je ne vois pas comment l'acheteur pourrait avoir la garantie que le vendeur ne reviendra pas réclamer les ANS liés à la clé privée qu'il aura vendue ... Vendre la clé ne veut pas dire que le vendeur va la détruire de son côté. Après, je suppose que s'il y a deux personnes qui viennent réclamer les ANS d'une même adresse, les responsables Antshares devront trancher en demandant des preuves à tous les deux.

De plus, il faudra bien choisir le moyen de communication de la clé pour que les données ne soient accessibles qu'aux deux parties, et s'il y a passage par un tiers de confiance, lui aussi aura la clé. Bref, pas mal d'éléments qui font que ça à l'air un peu compliqué ...

Well maybe you mistakenly used the contract address instead of your address ... If that's the case, then I think the only way to recover your coins is to ask the dev team to return them to you ...

Je t'en prie . Oui j'ai vu tes messages. J'ai vu qu'on te proposait de revendre ton investissement, sauf que je ne comprends pas comment ça pourrait marcher ...

I might be missing something, but I was wondering how this would work out. When the seller sells their private key to the buyer, what prevents the seller from claiming the investment once the ICO's over?

Tu peux contacter l'utilisateur antshares. C'est lui aussi qui répond à la majorité des messages sur le thread principal.