That is quite true especially who decides who are the crazy copy and paste shit posters.I guess they would not bother to appeal anyway so perhaps no need to add that exception. If they can buy other accounts for cheaper they will do that anyway.

I agree this only really targets people who really are not spammer and are real enthusiasts who have made a mistake in a 1000 and want to retain their accounts here and their ID here. I don't really care that much about others that dont fit into that bracket anyway. Non enthusiasts can just go spam other forums.

However to the scaling...

1. Do we think there will be that many that apply for this ?
2. The work you do now would be paid in theory ( i know you don't care about that) but others might start helping with financial incentive. This also provides incentive to the mods to escrow and the reporters to keep any eye out for sig ban evaders. I think if anything you will get more people looking for bad guys and watching they stay in line if they are paid from the fees.
3. after the get to go back to normal then they will just get caught again and their usernames will be on the thread prior so go to insta perm ban.

With this system there is no review as such apart from the initial one where the copy and paste is discovered really.

If it has changed hands and the copy and paste happened before they bought it that will be the risk you take when buying an account I guess.

Also really you should build your own account from scratch I think.

I did think up a kind of system that was more elaborate to vet the entire histories but was such a lot of work it would need to cost them a fortune in btc to get anyone to do it.

Okay cool sorry.

Well to be honest I have seen a couple that seems I think deserved a fair chance at another go. They seemed to be mistakes from a while back many years and some of their recent posts were actually very good. I think some people start off here a bit shaky and improve.

I am not just interested in helping copy and pasters at all. I have been called to many posts to help anyone that wants some help.

I just think in this net we are casting it will take down some good eggs and some net positive individuals with it. This is more of a carrot and stick approach to guide people into being net positive rather than a head shot to anyone that steps off the path even for a moment.

@Steamtyme

I wasn't trying to stifle any free speech. They can say anything they want on topic or anything else off topic.

I don't see a point though of turning this thread into pages of people who just say " all plagiarist get insta perm ban" because it makes the conversation for others trying to think up another system much harder.

I read your post and it was a good one. I agree perhaps the rates can be reduced slightly.

Can you point me to the ones that got banned you would give another chance to? I didn't think I missed any hero or legends out because originally I was thinking of a max 1.1000 ratio .... but the reviews and closer scrutiny especially for those with 1000's of posts is a lot to review. This system is quick and fast and could introduce tomorrow.

Let's face it purely financially reward spammers will not appeal so saves time listening to them if they are bad eggs.

What is this nonsense??

I said reply if you have a better idea than the current system.

If you do not want to change how it is now then don't reply here I am asking for ideas to improve the situation.

Yeah I have an army of accounts I want to buy back for 0.5 BTC with no sigs allowed for a year. Can you refrain from asking me stupid questions unless you have some evidence I have any alts. What if I asked you do you take back handers for letting people on the sig campaigns you manage? because I have been told you do?  Now be positive make alternative good suggestions or just go to your own thread.

If you have no alternatives and dont want change from how it is dont post.

The same goes for Thepharmacist - Who I consider here to be contradicting some of his previous comments on copy and paste threads by saying they are all akin to bags of shit that are on fire. I mean why would you feel sympathy for a burning back of shit and recognise they made some good posts?  .

Now both do not post again unless

1 you have a good alternative or want to discuss this one

If you have no interest in change at all from insta perm ban for all that is fine but no need to post here.


WOW 20 merits given out by Tman - you must never want to see anyone that has ever copy and pasted get a second chance? why not?

I mean I don't wish to get into a huge discussion about anything else other than Improving the situation but who feels strongly enough to give such support to NEVER EVER letting copy any pasters having a second chance under any conditions at all. 
Do you really mean that? Seems harsh??

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SUGGESTIONS FOR A BETTER SYSTEM THAN WE HAVE NOW

IF YOU SIMPLY WANT TO KEEP IT AS IT IS THEN DO NOT POST AND CLUTTER THE IDEAS OF PEOPLE WHO MAY WISH TO CONSTRUCT A BETTER SYSTEM



Now that I know hillarious and co can reinstate banned people we could probably do something like this simple and fast solution


1. anyone wants to appeal after copy and paste of serious nature found in their posts (not film quotes for humour, memes, news posted on correct project)
Needs to pay 0.5 BTC fine and have a 6months - 1yr month sig ban automatically..

2. 1 btc held with escrows(mods). Thread dedicated to it with user account details with start of ban, end ban and link to account

3.  If caught using sig  during sig ban time then instant perm ban and loss of all funds. Funds split between finder of copy and paste, mod (escrow) , and person discovering sig usage during sig ban time. (Proof of sig use must be provided for public to see and mod should witness really)

4. Those abiding by sig ban will get back 0.5 btc at end of sig ban term and be allowed their sigs back but zero tolerance copy and paste after point of appeal.

this could be run on a thread in reputation really....copy and pasters named and shamed post.

Sticky put here in meta or could just have link in the ban to the copy and pasters thread where it all takes place.


I'm not a game theory expert so perhaps lots of holes in this.

I had thought up a more elaborate plan with full history reviews but it is a huge task and I guess great poster is quite subject and matching criteria on huge histories on every posts is impossible.

I mean I expect a lot of copy and pasters will not go for this because there is little point for them ...sig bans, fines and instant bans if they do it again. Most will not appeal.

This is goes for every copy and paster too so no favouritism. Except perhaps pure crazy copy and paste pure ico sig spammers ...perhaps they could be just denied access to the discipline program.  


Of course many will have better systems but this could instantly cut out a lot of time and energy and reward reporters for locating, mods for reviewing and escrowing and other reporters spotting sig use during ban time.

Hillarious could take care of it all if he can ban and unban.. seems theymos will not have to review or spend time coding anything.

For alternative systems that improve on what we have now just post below and  perhaps we can together reach a good solution.













 

Well his english is hard to follow but if he is just posting news bulletins for his project to other forums on topic and relevant that should not be a problem.

It would seem similar to the cryptopia example.

This kind of thing is CLEARLY not worthy of a perm ban.

Many teams copy and paste their twitter news to their thread here should we ban those teams?

Whether he was only doing that who can say.

He seems to have got shut down before clearly explaining his case.

Please refrain from constantly feeling the need to chat me up.

As usual you miss the point of what an example may be.

Prove spamming and motive to do so or else again false accusation.  Not that I am bothered or will start crying to red trust about it but still groundless comments and attempting to silence my free speech on this board should not be tolerated over extended periods. Especially as you are constantly focusing on me. I can demonstrate in the vast vast vast majority of time of  interactions between us you initiate with negative comments and rules you think you can implement. You are simply building a case for yourself to be taken from any positions of trust or power here. It would be okay if the negativity or criticism could be backed up but you never do it is simply your groundless opinion.

Think twice before stalking me and diving in on everything that I post with negativity and caustic comments. I would not ask you get red trust or anything that prevents you from posting but power and trust must only reside with sensible objective and fair individuals.

Prove yourself to be of that sort or else I will do everything that I can to demonstrate you should not be allowed to enforce your personal will upon posters in an unfair and bully like way. Good bye DT trust good bye merit source and good bye any future mod position for you. Why? because i will demonstrate quite clearly with observable events you are quite a bully most of the time. I mean obviously it will never wash with me but it should not be allowed.

Now stop replying to everything I post unless you are more pleasant. Or have a Proven valid point you can clearly demonstrate that holds up to scrutiny.

Don't go spelling nazi on me now.

"Also I will not add red trust to hilarious for not using scare quotes on this occasion he will be pleased to hear."

@ Astargath

why present a case at trial or even tell people why they are arrested - which country were you raised out of interest?

however if this is to prevent people seeing if their text spinning algo has been defeated or how it was then I am in favour of it not being presented in public nor to them so they can work around it.

Ohh look another member of the gang of course I forgot this one.... don't feel left out. Rolling in with more lies.


So now you roll out observable LIES against me to illogically prove your case. You should get RED TRUST NOW I SUPPOSE FOR THIS PROVEN LIE which I can easily demonstrated this is not one you could back out of. BUT I AM NOT THE SORT OF TURD TO LEAVE YOU RED TRUST UNLESS YOU ARE A FUCKING SCAMMER BECAUSE I AM NOT A WHINING GIMP LIKE YOU GUYS.

Your time line does NOT match with your PROVEN LIE.

You are quoting something I said just after I saw the red trust and BEFORE IT HAD been explained to me about such a thing as scare quotes at this point in time so I did not choose to ignore actmynames ruling that I am mistaken at all and if you even took the time to read this thread instead of jumping in to fight for your gang you would notice I have said I accept I could have been wrong we will never know unless you read malborozas mind.

People including actmyname and other started to explain this AFTER the quote you are using and falsely claiming came before my statement again that he was misquoting me ............you are claiming I knew about all of this scare quotes and then said he is misquoting me. THAT IS A LIE THAT YOU HAVE SELF PROVEN ON YOUR OWN TO TRY AND MAKE ME LOOK WORSE THAN IS THE REAL CASE. OH WHERE IS MY RED TRUST I MUST TELL EVERYONE YOU ARE A SCAMMER FOR THIS. EVEN THOUGH IN YOUR CASE I KNOW IT IS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT TIME LINES DUE TO EXTENSIVE TIME TRAVEL WITH FOXY SO I WILL JUST REPLY TO YOU INSTEAD LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. and not run off crying and give red trust.

See that's how it goes you debate there is a winner if there is misunderstanding it gets revealed and you get on the same page you do not run away giving red trust.

To me personally though regardless of english language or legal rules AND I ACCEPT IT IS POSSIBLE I WAS WRONG to assume that in a thread directed at me about me and then quotes 3 things i said and a 4th in quotation marks I could fucking assume he was misquoting the forth one.  

And i have stated I may well have been wrong AFTER they explained scare quotes too me which i still think can lead to confusion if muddled in with real quotes all that i have made.

TRY THIS ONE  to help you understand more .....

So the thread title of new thread....

oieieo loves suchmoon and malboroza more than pharmacist and foxy

you oieoie defending that statment to prevent jealousy.......post  in that thread somewhere... contained in amongst other stuff about them i cant publish without working myself up.

4 things. you have posted in the thread....

1.I oieoi think foxy is lovely,

2. I ioioie think suchmoon is hot.

3 I ioeie think pharmacist needs to work on his tan

4. I ioieo wonder if malboroza and suchmoon have showers or baths at home.


nobody else mentions in that thread malboroza or suchmoon together at all nor showers or baths.


Now cryptohunter bust on to the scene and say...

this thread started to build nicely  but has now descended too quickly into homo erotica which I want to save reading until I get home.

This rate of excitement should build up more slowly. I mean it starts with....

" thinking foxy is lovely" and " thinking suchmoon is hot" and " thinking pharmacist needs to work on his tan " then just goes straight to " I want to get in the shower with some baby oil and malborozo and suchmoon yum yum yum yum"


Then you oieo read this post I have just made and say.

Stop misquoting me cryptohunter with your shower fantasies  I never said that


Then I cryptohunter just leaves you RED TRUST. Because I can prove  you did say "I  think pharmacist needs to work on his tan"


This is completely apparently out of character for me cryptohunter and seems harsh to everyone.  Earlier that day you oieoeo may have been kicking up a bit of fuss that ended up in some AI calculating i was the number beneficiary of a tight circle of merit hoarders.

So your mind starts to reason perhaps this is what caused the very harsh and actually out of order red trust to be left.


THERE SO FIRST STOP WITH YOU GANG TACTICS AND STOP CRYING TO RED TRUST ABOUT THINGS.

You ioieieo are observably lying here and actually doing so to prove a point not lie or mistake made with no motive.
Still i will not even think of using red trust for this kind of pathetic shit. Grow up.

I will lock this thread down now and not go on about it.....but any time I ever get red trust again for something I can demonstrate was unfair and abuse i will make another one and it will never ever go away EVER until it is removed.

I agree with you there should be a paid appeals process for time taken. However there would need be fair criteria set first really and a list of reduced punishments. Then only the good eggs would bother appeal. Save time and you could earn a little bit money for your time and other reviewers could to.

Well some one told me you were the same person but I thought it was unlikely due to both posting on the same meta board and due to the amount of posts on each account. Just wondering anyway.

Not that I want to start pissing off global moderators on my fav forum directly.

However.

1. why not show him the post and put him out of his misery. It also gives confidence there is fair chance of appeal and fair decision as the vast vast majority of appeals have actually demonstrated... which Is a credit to the board.

2. Do you have the power of unban? or just theymos?

3. Are you the same person as hillariousetc?

If this is the case an you have power of unban - then can we introduce a paid for review system because theymos has already said we want rid of net negative scammers and spammers but some who may just have a few copy and pastes and are not financially motivated then can have a deeper review and maybe just a temp ban for few months instead. Also you could even introduce a sig ban for certain amount of time -- so they are put on a list and people can get merit for spotting them if they put them back on .... if they put the sig back on before 6mth or a year..... straight to perm ban.

interstella - Are you saying

There was an announcement or news posted about a project and you simply copied that announcement to another place where this information was relevant and not already been posted ?

If so I see nothing wrong with that.

Is this what you are saying~??

I am not disputing this is the correct decision because so far no many have been even questionable after further investigation but you all seem to be shutting him down early. Let's hear the full side of what he is saying.

I mean copying news that cryptopia is delisting your coin and about to keep your coins in a few days to the pertinent thread is not copy and paste you SHOULD BE banned for. This is important news and is a very net positive post to read if you have those coins.

Let's hear his full explanation of what happened. His english is making it hard .

Earned merit is too cycled in small circles, concentrated and subjective as to provide any real value so no point with that being viewed. Could switch that on for display in meta board but everywhere else would be a meaningless number.

Badges would be better than that with some actual strict criteria measured equally with equal opportunity of review and reward by all members whom meet that strict criteria.

Don't you see actually you being here may help... Nothing is irrelevant you just can't make the connection until I write the patch for you. Now stop trying to contribute to the demise of your gang or they may cut your power source off.

1. the same bunch always seem to form the same opinion here and club together

2. If one is called out for being unreasonable the others will follow to say it is not unreasonable and give completely unreasonable verging on crazy reasons why it was reasonable and that you the outsider is the unreasonable one (even when all observable evidence is backing you)

3. It is called an analogy I mean I know right... what is this Chihuahua shit doing here ..loyce investigate hmmm...small... cute.. loyce stroke pet enjoy..excite. ... dobermans ... scary.. bite ...run fast... ouch ...cry...malboroza cool...good...friend..red trust...Cryptohunter... bad..evil..wrong..greedy..jealous..wrong..loyce ...merits. ...precious....danger...danger....3 dogs ..story does not compute....warning warning temp critical 80% and rising. Your hardware is due an upgrade soon  it will become clearer. LoyceV11 will breeze through those don't worry.

4. I don't even want to risk your systems with the concept of joke.... this is something for perhaps LoyceXXX (no foxy - - down -- boy paws off)



the fact that you, malboroza, suchmoon, TP (foxy not as bad he may be the only person i brought him up actually before he appeared however he used to just lurk adding support by bestowing merits on people who were disagreeing with me) are always bunching together on my threads and probably other peoples is enough for me to suggest to the community to keep an eye on you all.

 It is almost a gang mentality forming. Stop it  now and get your own opinions do not support any notion that is unreasonable just to feel you are secure within this gang because I will crush it now I have my eye on it. I will point out at any point when you are grouping up to bully people around as was what was exactly happening when I first discovered you all bullying that noob for incorrectly referencing the guides he had collated .

suchmoon in particular has a very caustic and sharp manner (although perhaps a thicker skin than some here) ...high horseman like dismissive tone ....which yes fair enough you are on a public forum and you need to have some thick skin, man up and all of that. He is hardworking and is net positive and does good I am not going to lie about him and he does not run to leave red trust if we have a bit of a disagreement which he can turn petty and grouchy.


However anyway suchmoon (and loyce to a degree and some of the gang  ) ... when you constantly get this kind of person swoop down only trying to pick a hole in something to look smart and cool.. with that manner it puts people off posting anything. Also the atmosphere where you get a bunch of new member ass kissers brown nosing up to those in perceived power agreeing and bleating their simpering sniveling groveling word salad posts (clearly not even understanding the topic being debated) in support of anything they say even when clearly ludicrous to get some favour and perhaps merit crumbs. If people are wrong they are wrong I don't care who it is never suck up to people if they are wrong. You know what one of the best posters on here and best critical thinkers i have encountered  said" I Hate asskissers the most -- they are the first to stab you in the back" -



It is only correct to get sharp and use that tone in 2 cases

1. scammers
2. people who start that tone with you first and persistently use it with you.
3. gang members who snipe at you with seemingly less aggression but are just too much of pussy and don't have the critical thinking capacity to just clearly voice their own argument in opposition because they know it constantly just gets torn apart and demonstrated to be nothing other than a bunch of nonsense that is cobbled together to bolster an opinion they want to be true but is obviously absurd.




Every post and ever debate should stand on its own merit. You should not approach any debate with the intention of trying to agree with people of your gang or people you have agreed with thing in the past. There is no right and wrong answer there is just the answer or the optimal answer based upon the information available.

So anyway if you are found to have based your opinion or made an error because you were lacking some information or if you just have poor logical reasoning capabilities and somebody else assists you and constructs a mental path you can now leads to reality ....don't dig heels in and become even more irrational to retain your views or opinions ... simply view it as an upgrade to the poor information or opinions you held before. It may suit you less currently but long term it will benefit you more because once you start building other concepts on top of bullshit that only you or a illogical group believe is reality it can all come crashing down at once which is very painful. Better to have minor reconstruction and refurbs running regularly.

Never judge a book.....

oh yeah i remember now ...you were saying something about it last night from outside my locked door through the bullet proof glass.

Wasn't it those 3 removal guys who you said were trying to decide on the sex  and species of your blow up doll after accidentally stepping on it and it exploded .....and you were thinking of giving up on life before I came to meta and cheered you up and gave you a new buddy to chat to when ever you stalked me down?

I appreciate whatactmyname has said so I will accept there are these special """ that mean nobody said it. I will accept I could have originally assumed incorrectly it is possible. However in the context of 3 of my actual quotes and one quote containing a very similar statement with the same 2 people in ...and inside these new "" when you are saying anyone who quotes some else has to put that now. I can quite easily see how I could have interpreted it this way. I mean I am sure some people who are not at actmynames level of english rules could easily make the same error. If even we can read malborozas mind to tell what he thought he was quoting. All irrelevant now anyway. It is clear he should have not have made the final assumption before giving red trust. It should be removed.

Still refusing to do it now Is flagrant and stubborn abuse and I will not give up on getting him removed from DT for this kind of vindictive behaviour even though now he sees how it all got out of shape from a crosswire and not discussing to get on the same page.

Should have removed it by now

I mean a simple analogy if you give him benefit of the doubt in both junctures...

4 dogs walking down the street with a guy he found them in his garden or whatever

3 Chihuahua - dogs 1 2 3
1 doberman -  dog 4

I say thats not my big dog (referring to dog 4 because  I only have Chihuahuas)

The guy looks at the 4 dogs and says I have proof that dog 1 is yours now sorry I have proof that dog 1 is yours and you get red negative trust for lying to me.

I can understand what you say but this in not applicable to my case.

I have had more time to consider and cant put the events as following.

I will not complicate with too much context which favours me i think anyway I will concentrate on the link to my offending post and assumed claim I am simply going to state events

some sexual explicit language coming unavoidable..


1.  malboroza appears in a thread opened by such moon about me ..in malborozas post there are 4 possible quotes of mine ... 2 in block quotes which I have obviously just made in the blocks he has pressed the quote button for which are there in black and white and I just typed them  and 2 other quotes in " something i said about tagging lauda"  and   " something similar to what I said ( i said TP was ass kissing lauda  this quote said that lauda was banging TP in the ass  "
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.msg48750243#msg48750243

2. So I rightly or possibly wrongly assume he is quoting all the things I have said with a mistake about lauda going heavy on TP which I did not actually say but I said something close but not quite so bad.

I mean nobody else mentioned anything like this about those guys at all so I assumed he just got that last quote wrong. I will never know if he really did think I said that or was using these special "" that suchmoon tells me means either malboroza is quote such moon or probably nobody. Obviously I never heard for such "" I mean in copy and paste threads you are hearing anyone getting quoted must be in "" now.  So that is weird if you quote 2 seperate things one after another then the second "" is saying nobody said it. Anyway let's say for this argument he was meaning nobody said that and it just happened to be within 3 other quotes i did make and was similar to the other things I said and involved the same 2 people.

3. So moving on let's imagine I am mistaken and I say to malboroza  stop misquoting me and talking about your own disturbing fantasies (okay so look at the 4 quotes) if any person had to say one was a disturbing fantasy it could only really be the anal sex he mentions between lauda and the pharmacist.

4. So this is the bit I do not believe but even if I do believe it cos these are meta individuals. Okay so apparently malboroza for some reason does not think I am refuting  1/ the only quote of the 4 i did not write 2/ the quote that fits the description when you are misquoting me stop with your disturbing fantasies so he does not make the logical and sensible conclusion that I am telling the truth that I never wrote that other quote.  Rather he chooses to believe I would 1/ seriously deny a block quote on the same page inside the same post I am refering too that I just posted in public and he just pressed the quote button and it is there on the post and 2/ a post that is not in anyway a disturbing fantasy of his

5, So now I am giving benefit of the doubt he was not trying to quote me and these really are special "" "" meaning nobody wrote it and it just happens to be in amongst 3 of my other quotes and this one is similar to what i said and contains the same 2 people.

I am also giving the benefit of the doubt that he does not choose the obvious an only logical one I can be referring to and rather assumes I am referring to anther post that does not fit the disturbing fantasy description.

6. so now I say he has miss quoted me and he does not ask which quote, he ignores the description i gave to indicate which quote and does not make any effort at all to make sure I am referring to the quote he thinks that I am he just assumes the totally illogical quote and gives me a red trust for that.

7. Soon after when looking at it all it become obvious when you re read it and the description i gave and its is the only one of the 3 quotes i did not make and the fact the others are block quoted there in my face on his thread then I even explain it with credible evidence. So it not only likely (going on description and the fact its the only one that was incorrect ) I am so confused that he has assumed i meant the other quote that it is obvious what happened.

8. Either way 4 quotes I say you are misquoting me there 1 i didnt make you dont just assume and leave red trust you discuss and get on the same page before charging me with false accusation because he thinks he has proof I have made one cos it is there in black and white.

9. Now it is all explained and he should have made sure which quote before giving neg trust because there is one quote i did not make infact the only quote that fits my description.... so he should have not assumed and wrongly said this is a false accusation. He should have made sure by discussing it first before leaping to a conclusion finally before red trust got pulled on me.


I mean it is trust abuse to say someone is lying before you find out what they are apparently referring to in their lie when there are multiple options. But to still keep it on after it is demonstrated that his final wrong assumption led to the red trust then this is flagrant stubborn abuse.

You have to realise I could be asking for benefit of the doubt in both cases I gave to him anyway but I am not even though really I think I should have it due to logic and just common sense. But still either way the red trust needs to go.

I mean a simple analogy if you give him benefit of the doubt in both junctures...

4 dogs walking down the street

3 Chihuahua - dogs 1 2 3
1 doberman -  dog 4

I say thats not my big dog (referring to dog 4 I only have Chihuahuas)

The guy looks at the 4 dogs and says I have proof that dog 1 is yours now sorry I have proof that dog 1 is yours and you get red negative trust for lying to me.

I would clarify my statement... it is irrelevant if I am incorrect in my assumption ...he just needs to then explain later he was not intending to quote me at all these were special super "" which means nobody said it. That is what debate and discussion is for you get on the same page the more you discuss.

You dont assume run off and give red trust.

Then even when you know full well it was his later false assumption that finally led to the red trust then he should reverse it.

The guy is asking to be removed from default trust and wants his merits reduced from the top 200 ... he is losing it.

Just tell him to remove the the red trust at once else have to answer for his actions will full explanation.

He is hiding and did not even offer an explanation to match the link he left and the description.

where is he hiding up and why are you here testing out arguments on his behalf instruct him here at once please It is disgraceful his incorrect assumptions finally led to my incorrect red trust and he just avoids and dodges me and will not even come and talk to me himself.

He is only adding to the obvious conclusion he has made a  mistake and will not fix it even though he should if he is not seen to be abusing  the trust system.