[ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming)

[minerpage]

Let's see what tomorrow will bring.

Service Nodes would be great 

[coins101]

[rhinomonkey]

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Then what were we arguing about the whole time.
..

Bill Gates just sent me a PM.  He wants you on a plane to Redmond, in the morning.  He said to make sure you are wearing a shirt and tie, don't be late and make sure he 'washes'.

sigh...
Dear diary, ...this thread is constantly inventing new ways of how to troll me it seems.
Let's see what tomorrow will bring.

Signing off.

Well, as we like to say around here... Stay tuned!

Gotta keep you on your feet somehow!

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The solution is to get rid of the other options!  
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I already did that.  You need to read the conditions at the bottom of the OP (like, you know, the small print). The vote is pretty much 100% yes, at this stage.

(I accidentally unignored you for a second, otherwise I wouldn't have commented).

lol, looks like it all happened how it was supposed to then...  

[rhinomonkey]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

bump

Hail Hydra

What in particular is required for an application? Do they look at goals of the project/ work that has been done?

Do they give any information as to what their vetting process consists of?

[trid]

hmm, someone (it seems a few people) bought that 10k sat. wall on trex?

[spready]

Just created an account to pipe in here... I think you guys are woefully under-explaining the Microsoft thing. It's very simple: they'll offer pre-packaged SPR-enabled cloud instances if an application is submitted and the code is vetted as safe for their platform. Nothing about this "moves" the SpreadCoin network. Nothing about this changes SpreadCoin. Nothing about this forces or even persuades SPR users to start using Azure services *unless* they, of their own volition, find it convenient to assist in the operation or development of SPR-related services.

Ethereum, Factom, Emercoin and several more coins have been accepted to this platform. None of them are in a "partnership" with Microsoft. None of them have "moved" to the Microsoft network. None of them have changed any of their code, governance, licensing, funding, or anything else about their project. I honestly have no idea where the concept of moving the SpreadCoin network to a centralized partnership with overlord Microsoft comes from, but it's waaaaaaaay off the mark of what's actually been offered/implemented. Having not gone through the application myself, I can't be sure, but from what I can infer from the experiences of other projects, the vetting process seems to be self-contained to a code-safety review within Microsoft.

As for why it would be advantageous (aside from the price/investor confidence/growth), I believe this is a completely benign program to participate in that doesn't threaten decentralization, arguably increasing it through easier, immediate, and reliable end-user access to SPR services and development. If PayPal said they're accepting SpreadCoin to process payments and SPR doesn't have to change anything about themselves - would you consider that centralization? Would you be wary of such an integration? This isn't the same level, but it's similar. You have a platform with major exposure, solid support, and in this case, a particularly forward-thinking team behind it for coming from such a corporate behemoth (who else is doing Blockchain-as-a-Service, seriously?) and they've read the SPR whitepaper and would be happy to help support the SPR community and ecosystem by offering it on their experimental and forward-thinking BaaS platform.

I honestly don't see how this can be perceived as a threat or a dangerous thing. If the service sucks, no one uses it. If Azure makes no money off of BaaS, it ceases to be offered. If they offer reliable service for an attractive price, enabling developers and users to access SPR more easily or more economically, then all this is, is decentralized infrastructure (you do know what Azure is, right?) building around SpreadCoin. Frankly I'm stunned that the de facto project lead on SPR is so under-informed on his main competitors/counterparts, and what's happening in this business space. Not trying to be a dick, but you probably need some more hands on deck with various strengths and knowledge. Beyond the code. And then you need to seriously consider to their advice, the hard part.


I've been with spread since Mr. Spread launched it, btw, had an old account here that I deleted last year, used to be a "Hero" - some would probably remember me. Anyway, I stop in every month or so just to see what's happening, and I had to clarify this Microsoft misunderstanding going on. Good luck with whatever direction the project goes, still have coins in the vault and watching curiously.

Thank you for explaining! I was so confused reading this thread not knowing what's it all about and people losing limbs fighting about it.

[minerpage]

Thank you for explaining! I was so confused reading this thread not knowing what's it all about and people losing limbs fighting about it.

No worries, just spreading the coins 

[coins101]

Just created an account to pipe in here... I think you guys are woefully under-explaining the Microsoft thing. It's very simple: they'll offer pre-packaged SPR-enabled cloud instances if an application is submitted and the code is vetted as safe for their platform. Nothing about this "moves" the SpreadCoin network. Nothing about this changes SpreadCoin. Nothing about this forces or even persuades SPR users to start using Azure services *unless* they, of their own volition, find it convenient to assist in the operation or development of SPR-related services.

Ethereum, Factom, Emercoin and several more coins have been accepted to this platform. None of them are in a "partnership" with Microsoft. None of them have "moved" to the Microsoft network. None of them have changed any of their code, governance, licensing, funding, or anything else about their project. I honestly have no idea where the concept of moving the SpreadCoin network to a centralized partnership with overlord Microsoft comes from, but it's waaaaaaaay off the mark of what's actually been offered/implemented. Having not gone through the application myself, I can't be sure, but from what I can infer from the experiences of other projects, the vetting process seems to be self-contained to a code-safety review within Microsoft.

As for why it would be advantageous (aside from the price/investor confidence/growth), I believe this is a completely benign program to participate in that doesn't threaten decentralization, arguably increasing it through easier, immediate, and reliable end-user access to SPR services and development. If PayPal said they're accepting SpreadCoin to process payments and SPR doesn't have to change anything about themselves - would you consider that centralization? Would you be wary of such an integration? This isn't the same level, but it's similar. You have a platform with major exposure, solid support, and in this case, a particularly forward-thinking team behind it for coming from such a corporate behemoth (who else is doing Blockchain-as-a-Service, seriously?) and they've read the SPR whitepaper and would be happy to help support the SPR community and ecosystem by offering it on their experimental and forward-thinking BaaS platform.

I honestly don't see how this can be perceived as a threat or a dangerous thing. If the service sucks, no one uses it. If Azure makes no money off of BaaS, it ceases to be offered. If they offer reliable service for an attractive price, enabling developers and users to access SPR more easily or more economically, then all this is, is decentralized infrastructure (you do know what Azure is, right?) building around SpreadCoin. Frankly I'm stunned that the de facto project lead on SPR is so under-informed on his main competitors/counterparts, and what's happening in this business space. Not trying to be a dick, but you probably need some more hands on deck with various strengths and knowledge. Beyond the code. And then you need to seriously consider to their advice, the hard part.


I've been with spread since Mr. Spread launched it, btw, had an old account here that I deleted last year, used to be a "Hero" - some would probably remember me. Anyway, I stop in every month or so just to see what's happening, and I had to clarify this Microsoft misunderstanding going on. Good luck with whatever direction the project goes, still have coins in the vault and watching curiously.

Great first post for a nob account 

The OP on the vote does mention packaged easy deployment.

So far there are zero no votes (read the OP small print on counting no votes).  Seems like overwhelming support for making an application.

[coins101]

[stonehedge]

However, Stonehedge, something that slightly bothers me coming from you... Really?

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Talk to people!  Stop disappearing for weeks on end, start telling people what is happening and start sticking to your promises.

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Very fair point.  For the public record, I recently agreed to assist another project with some project management work but real life issues lead me to go AWOL and renege on that undertaking.  Communications should have been better but they weren't. I have too much going on at the moment. Its a fair cop. 

[coins101]

However, Stonehedge, something that slightly bothers me coming from you... Really?

...

Talk to people!  Stop disappearing for weeks on end, start telling people what is happening and start sticking to your promises.

...

Very fair point.  For the public record, I recently agreed to assist another project with some project management work but real life issues lead me to go AWOL and renege on that undertaking.  Communications should have been better but they weren't. I have too much going on at the moment. Its a fair cop.  

One of my goals with DRK was to do my part to get it into the top10.  That's why I was by far the top poster on the DRK and Dash thread. By the time a project reaches the top 10 it becomes self sustainable.

I said I was going to put as much effort into SPR (including working on the name) and also getting it into the top 10.  

Issues crop up. Projects have good days, bad days, crisis and really long periods of drift when nothing seems to be happening until everything seems to happen at once.

I made a commitment to do my part to get SPR into the top 10.  I will stick with that promise, because honest startup crypto projects need to instil confidence to those that want to find a project they can join and contribute to in any shape or fashion.

You and I have become friends, I think. We've met and we have other interests. All that through this project. How may more bromances are waiting to be discovered along this journey to the top 10?

[coins101]

[stonehedge]

However, Stonehedge, something that slightly bothers me coming from you... Really?

...

Talk to people!  Stop disappearing for weeks on end, start telling people what is happening and start sticking to your promises.

...

Very fair point.  For the public record, I recently agreed to assist another project with some project management work but real life issues lead me to go AWOL and renege on that undertaking.  Communications should have been better but they weren't. I have too much going on at the moment. Its a fair cop.  

One of my goals with DRK was to do my part to get it into the top10.  That's why I was by far the top poster on the DRK and Dash thread. By the time a project reaches the top 10 it becomes self sustainable.

I said I was going to put as much effort into SPR (including working on the name) and also getting it into the top 10.  

Issues crop up. Projects have good days, bad days, crisis and really long periods of drift when nothing seems to be happening until everything seems to happen at once.

I made a commitment to do my part to get SPR into the top 10.  I will stick with that promise, because honest startup crypto projects need to instil confidence to those that want to find a project they can join and contribute to in any shape or fashion.

You and I have become friends, I think. We've met and we have other interests. All that through this project. How may more bromances are waiting to be discovered along this journey to the top 10?

We have indeed become friends.

I'd be 100% behind this project if there was one hint of compromise in working methods to allow my contributions to be worthwhile.

It has been incredibly frustrating to see my efforts of the last 12 months go to waste because of a lack of community engagement and team work.

[georgem]

Just created an account to pipe in here... I think you guys are woefully under-explaining the Microsoft thing. It's very simple: they'll offer pre-packaged SPR-enabled cloud instances if an application is submitted and the code is vetted as safe for their platform. Nothing about this "moves" the SpreadCoin network. Nothing about this changes SpreadCoin. Nothing about this forces or even persuades SPR users to start using Azure services *unless* they, of their own volition, find it convenient to assist in the operation or development of SPR-related services.

Ethereum, Factom, Emercoin and several more coins have been accepted to this platform. None of them are in a "partnership" with Microsoft. None of them have "moved" to the Microsoft network. None of them have changed any of their code, governance, licensing, funding, or anything else about their project. I honestly have no idea where the concept of moving the SpreadCoin network to a centralized partnership with overlord Microsoft comes from, but it's waaaaaaaay off the mark of what's actually been offered/implemented. Having not gone through the application myself, I can't be sure, but from what I can infer from the experiences of other projects, the vetting process seems to be self-contained to a code-safety review within Microsoft.

As for why it would be advantageous (aside from the price/investor confidence/growth), I believe this is a completely benign program to participate in that doesn't threaten decentralization, arguably increasing it through easier, immediate, and reliable end-user access to SPR services and development. If PayPal said they're accepting SpreadCoin to process payments and SPR doesn't have to change anything about themselves - would you consider that centralization? Would you be wary of such an integration? This isn't the same level, but it's similar. You have a platform with major exposure, solid support, and in this case, a particularly forward-thinking team behind it for coming from such a corporate behemoth (who else is doing Blockchain-as-a-Service, seriously?) and they've read the SPR whitepaper and would be happy to help support the SPR community and ecosystem by offering it on their experimental and forward-thinking BaaS platform.

I honestly don't see how this can be perceived as a threat or a dangerous thing. If the service sucks, no one uses it. If Azure makes no money off of BaaS, it ceases to be offered. If they offer reliable service for an attractive price, enabling developers and users to access SPR more easily or more economically, then all this is, is decentralized infrastructure (you do know what Azure is, right?) building around SpreadCoin. Frankly I'm stunned that the de facto project lead on SPR is so under-informed on his main competitors/counterparts, and what's happening in this business space. Not trying to be a dick, but you probably need some more hands on deck with various strengths and knowledge. Beyond the code. And then you need to seriously consider to their advice, the hard part.


I've been with spread since Mr. Spread launched it, btw, had an old account here that I deleted last year, used to be a "Hero" - some would probably remember me. Anyway, I stop in every month or so just to see what's happening, and I had to clarify this Microsoft misunderstanding going on. Good luck with whatever direction the project goes, still have coins in the vault and watching curiously.

Welcome!

Yesterday we started the azure discussion to finally get some clarity about the matter.
And it seems that we are slowly getting there.
Your comment "confirms" a few of my assumptions.
But alas, if only microsoft was a little bit more open about their process, it's weird that they aren't.

[georgem]

Ethereum, Factom, Emercoin and several more coins have been accepted to this platform. ....
None of them have changed any of their code, governance, licensing, funding, or anything else about their project.

If you look here : https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/

They talk about: Bitcoin API Calls – 20x Faster

(EDIT: on second thought, I'm not sure though if what bitpay talks about in this post is specific about bitcore or can be applied to all blockchains running on azure)

A Bitcore node's direct access to the blockchain via its native bindings to Bitcoind makes Bitcore-based services 20X faster than those using JSON-RPC.
That's a significant performance improvement for services that rely on blockchain data, from payment processors and exchanges to block explorers.

We've already implemented Bitcore as the backend for our own bitcoin wallet Copay. Users can choose to connect directly to private Bitcoin nodes using our Bitcore Wallet Service,
 which includes a command line client made for business users.

If I understand this correctly, a "native binding" gives you access to "native code" without the need to write any native code.
In the azure/microsoft case that might be a native binding between node.js and c++ that they provide to their users.

Part of their vetting procedure is probably to find out how easily this "native binding" can be implemented,
something tells me that slight adjustments to the spreadcoin code might actually be necessary in some cases.

Best thing for the future would be if we had some sort of serious API extension for spreadcoin, so that other programs can get more direct access than just JSON-RPC calls.
Are other coins already doing something like this?

[rhinomonkey]

...
The solution is to get rid of the other options!  
...

I already did that.  You need to read the conditions at the bottom of the OP (like, you know, the small print). The vote is pretty much 100% yes, at this stage.

(I accidentally unignored you for a second, otherwise I wouldn't have commented).

lol, looks like it all happened how it was supposed to then...  

P.S. Coins that wall isn't gone yet  

 

The above was my subtle acknowledgement I was impatient and wrong  

[coins101]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

bump

Hail Hydra

Looks like just one valid no. Still overwhelming support for yes.

[coins101]

[coins101]

Bitcoin blocks have been pretty full recently

[rhinomonkey]

Thoughts on beginning a Big Data Methodology conversation on BTCT in a separate topic?

We have one on the SPR forum here: http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749.0 , but it has rather grim amounts of traffic at the moment. Obviously, we want to get people to post in spreadcointalk more, but we are still a growing community and it may be better for productive discussion if we open the conversation up to a wider pool of people with new thoughts and ideas. I can always add important & valuable posts from here to the spreadcoin forum if some people want to explicitly contribute there.

Coins, I was hoping you might be able to direct me to a spot to open this conversation up on bitcointalk / open it up yourself in the appropriate spot, if this is thought to be a good idea. I'm woefully unfamiliar with the borderlands of BTCT!