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April 28, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
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If I could find one religious person with the capability to discuss the below, maybe I'll believe.

If everything must have been created, who created the creator?

Your answer has to be either:
1. No one, God doesn't exist
2. No one, God always existed

If you chose 2, what stops the Universe from having always existed as well?

Entropy.

If there was no beginning to the universe, the energy within (which can't be destroyed or created) would have, long ago, been dispersed and diffused by entropy to the point that there would be no complexity.

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Again, science has explained how the current version of our universe could have spawned from literally nothing (as far as we are concerned) and proved that matter survives at a higher rate than antimatter.

This universe could easily die out and another born out of nothing, just like ours was.

Still, the question is left unanswered and you just tried to deflect to a different question, I didn't ask you how long a universe can survive. Who made God so he could make energy that a universe/universes form from?

Entropy is a scientific law. It is not a guesswork thing like the idea of universes spawned from nothing. Therefore, the answer stands... entropy.

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Entropy answers this question: How does our universe eventually decay and become nothing?

It does not answer my question, which questions the source of the energy itself, not the fact that it will eventually decay. If it must have a source, and you say it must since it decays, what is the source of that source? Why could the Universe not have spawned out of nothing just like your source of everything?

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If I could find one religious person with the capability to discuss the below, maybe I'll believe.

If everything must have been created, who created the creator?

Your answer has to be either:
1. No one, God doesn't exist
2. No one, God always existed

If you chose 2, what stops the Universe from having always existed as well?

Entropy.

If there was no beginning to the universe, the energy within (which can't be destroyed or created) would have, long ago, been dispersed and diffused by entropy to the point that there would be no complexity.

Cool

Again, science has explained how the current version of our universe could have spawned from literally nothing (as far as we are concerned) and proved that matter survives at a higher rate than antimatter.

This universe could easily die out and another born out of nothing, just like ours was.

Still, the question is left unanswered and you just tried to deflect to a different question, I didn't ask you how long a universe can survive. Who made God so he could make energy that a universe/universes form from?

Entropy is a scientific law. It is not a guesswork thing like the idea of universes spawned from nothing. Therefore, the answer stands... entropy.

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Entropy answers this question: How does our universe eventually decay and become nothing?

It does not answer my question, which questions the source of the energy itself, not the fact that it will eventually decay. If it must have a source, and you say it must since it decays, what is the source of that source? Why could the Universe not have spawned out of nothing just like your source of everything?

Your original question had to do with an eternal universe. The answer was "entropy."

We have no evidence of machines that simply pop into being. Yet, the universe is a complex machine full of countless machines.

All our evidence says that machines are built by someone. All our evidence says that the less intelligent the machine maker, the less complex the machine. We haven't even identified all the complex machines of the universe, to say nothing about duplicating them. So, the Maker of these universe machines is like God to us.

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April 28, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
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if someone says he is an atheist, he is a liar

You are a horrible person who is not worthy of my time

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April 29, 2017, 02:32:11 AM
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If I could find one religious person with the capability to discuss the below, maybe I'll believe.

If everything must have been created, who created the creator?

Your answer has to be either:
1. No one, God doesn't exist
2. No one, God always existed

If you chose 2, what stops the Universe from having always existed as well?

Entropy.

If there was no beginning to the universe, the energy within (which can't be destroyed or created) would have, long ago, been dispersed and diffused by entropy to the point that there would be no complexity.

Cool

Again, science has explained how the current version of our universe could have spawned from literally nothing (as far as we are concerned) and proved that matter survives at a higher rate than antimatter.

This universe could easily die out and another born out of nothing, just like ours was.

Still, the question is left unanswered and you just tried to deflect to a different question, I didn't ask you how long a universe can survive. Who made God so he could make energy that a universe/universes form from?
In you have never thought that the very God is not a man, but the very energy that created the world and the whole universe in general. Just in e perceive things literally and it's not right.


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April 29, 2017, 03:04:38 AM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist
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April 29, 2017, 03:42:00 AM
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Because they think religion is stupid, yet so many people follow one. To them, it gets frustrating.
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April 29, 2017, 06:20:57 AM
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Because they think religion is stupid, yet so many people follow one. To them, it gets frustrating.
I can not understand atheists why they are so anti-God and against people who believe in him. After all, they do not interfere with this and do not harm anything. And why this confrontation I can not understand.
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April 29, 2017, 08:08:26 AM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

You cant say that you wouldnt believe into something that you couldnt see. As far as i know you have faith for any of the things in life not all. Simple thing that you have to remember is that if god does not exist explain where all did came from. Lets say you really doesnt believe in god yet still you know that there is really a creator(hmm maybe you think that the creator is an engineer)
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April 29, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
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So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




Some people hate Islam because, because most terrorist was muslim member. Then, regarding about the atheist why they hate religion, it is because felt to themselves that they are the highest level of people which thinking they are the most intelligent one in the world were they know everything. But thing is not, and most of them don't believed in God.
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April 29, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

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Atheist has faith that there is no God --------------- A gambler
Relegionist  has faith there is one or more God ---- A gambler   and I coined the word relegionist
Agnostic is honest and simply admits I don't know for sure what the truth is.


Any hatred of the three types of people above against each other is due to the fact that humans make tribes or groups that fight each other.

ie human nature  is to be fearful of  a stranger or different groups of strangers.

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April 30, 2017, 02:07:31 PM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

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You failed to address his point entirely but just did what you always do
when you have no rebuttal, deflect and make some retarded "yet....bla bla" statement... in this particular case, proclaiming how
great your imaginary god is and how ignorant we all are.
Your arrogance shines and its people like you that make atheists hate religion. Id be willing to
bet even a lot of your fellow believers find many of your posts rather off-putting.


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April 30, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

Cool


You failed to address his point entirely but just did what you always do
when you have no rebuttal, deflect and make some retarded "yet....bla bla" statement... in this particular case, proclaiming how
great your imaginary god is and how ignorant we all are.
Your arrogance shines and its people like you that make atheists hate religion. Id be willing to
bet even a lot of your fellow believers find many of your posts rather off-putting.


Moloch's starting point is to say that he DOESN'T believe that gods exist. His first words, above, are, "no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed." He knows he is lying when he says this, because he knows for a fact that he hasn't checked out every spot on earth and in the universe to see if God exists there or not. Because of this, he knows that God might exist somewhere he hasn't checked.

Since this is what his whole post is based on, and since he is entirely aware that he doesn't know if God exists or not, his whole post is a lie. There isn't much of a way to respond to lies without accepting them as though they were truth in the mind of the speaker of those lies. In this case, Moloch (and all so-called atheists) absolutely know that God might exist. Atheism is a total lie for them, and they know it.

Once Moloch wants to start getting truthful and ask his questions, or make his points, from the standpoint that God might exist, then maybe we can start talking to what he says.

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May 01, 2017, 03:01:41 AM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

Cool


You failed to address his point entirely but just did what you always do
when you have no rebuttal, deflect and make some retarded "yet....bla bla" statement... in this particular case, proclaiming how
great your imaginary god is and how ignorant we all are.
Your arrogance shines and its people like you that make atheists hate religion. Id be willing to
bet even a lot of your fellow believers find many of your posts rather off-putting.


Moloch's starting point is to say that he DOESN'T believe that gods exist. His first words, above, are, "no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed." He knows he is lying when he says this, because he knows for a fact that he hasn't checked out every spot on earth and in the universe to see if God exists there or not. Because of this, he knows that God might exist somewhere he hasn't checked.

Since this is what his whole post is based on, and since he is entirely aware that he doesn't know if God exists or not, his whole post is a lie. There isn't much of a way to respond to lies without accepting them as though they were truth in the mind of the speaker of those lies. In this case, Moloch (and all so-called atheists) absolutely know that God might exist. Atheism is a total lie for them, and they know it.

Once Moloch wants to start getting truthful and ask his questions, or make his points, from the standpoint that God might exist, then maybe we can start talking to what he says.

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That was actually my first impression with regards to his  statements. I maybe wrong but i am also feeling the same way that they are actually arrogant. You dont have to see things in order for you to believed it. Tho i know the feeling of hating a religion so i cant personally blame them
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May 01, 2017, 07:32:10 AM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.



You failed to address his point entirely but just did what you always do
when you have no rebuttal, deflect and make some retarded "yet....bla bla" statement... in this particular case, proclaiming how
great your imaginary god is and how ignorant we all are.
Your arrogance shines and its people like you that make atheists hate religion. Id be willing to
bet even a lot of your fellow believers find many of your posts rather off-putting.


Moloch's starting point is to say that he DOESN'T believe that gods exist. His first words, above, are, "no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed." He knows he is lying when he says this, because he knows for a fact that he hasn't checked out every spot on earth and in the universe to see if God exists there or not. Because of this, he knows that God might exist somewhere he hasn't checked.

Since this is what his whole post is based on, and since he is entirely aware that he doesn't know if God exists or not, his whole post is a lie. There isn't much of a way to respond to lies without accepting them as though they were truth in the mind of the speaker of those lies. In this case, Moloch (and all so-called atheists) absolutely know that God might exist. Atheism is a total lie for them, and they know it.

Once Moloch wants to start getting truthful and ask his questions, or make his points, from the standpoint that God might exist, then maybe we can start talking to what he says.


That was actually my first impression with regards to his  statements. I maybe wrong but i am also feeling the same way that they are actually arrogant. You dont have to see things in order for you to believed it. Tho i know the feeling of hating a religion so i cant personally blame them

I feel like I gave several strong reasons to doubt the existence of any god, and they were completely ignored

1) God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure
2) If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone
3) What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

This is not specific to any religion, like:

4) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to murder innocent children and animals (10th plague of Egypt)
5) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to create a place like hell and send 90% of souls there

Don't reply to my post just to trash talk me with personal attacks and ignore the points I make... BADlogic

Stop acting like a petulant child and have an actual debate... or just fuck off and die (please do the latter)
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I feel like I gave several strong reasons to doubt the existence of any god, and they were completely ignored

1) God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure
2) If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone
3) What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

This is not specific to any religion, like:

4) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to murder innocent children and animals (10th plague of Egypt)
5) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to create a place like hell and send 90% of souls there

Don't reply to my post just to trash talk me with personal attacks and ignore the points I make... BADlogic

Stop acting like a petulant child and have an actual debate... or just fuck off and die (please do the latter)
You should know and i think you alrrady know that we have our own understanding of course hitler make him self with his own presence of mind. Those virus was created first before humans wss created. You should also know that it is a part of a challenge. We are living on esrth and not on heaven. We die here but we live forever either on hell or heaven. So if you die where do you think you would go? You can be a mosquito? Like seriously? Or like what yoi go back on earth? Crazily? What if it is the end of the world? You cant explain that one either or even your science cant
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We didn't exist before our brain existed, therefore there is no justifiable reason to believe we exist after our brain ceases functioning.

If you want to suggest otherwise then it is your responsibility to present sufficient evidence to support your claim.

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We didn't exist before our brain existed, therefore there is no justifiable reason to believe we exist after our brain ceases functioning.

If you want to suggest otherwise then it is your responsibility to present sufficient evidence to support your claim.


However, you don't know that you didn't exist before your brain existed. Why not? It takes your brain to know things like that. So, maybe you existed, but simply don't remember it, because you had no brain to record the memory.

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I feel like I gave several strong reasons to doubt the existence of any god, and they were completely ignored

1) God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure - Thank you for stating that God exists. After all, the only way that you could know that such was a failure, is if you knew the mind of God. However, God wants people to know that He exists. That is part of the reason he gave them the scientific proof and the evidence of nature:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

2) If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone - Thank you for stating that God exists. After all, the only way that you could know what God's role on earth would be, would be to have investigated the mind of God.
3) What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few) - A God Who is so loving that He has placed Himself into the hands of sinners for their joy and benefit, that's what God. They use that control to manipulate Him in such ways that evil is produced.

This is not specific to any religion, like:

4) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to murder innocent children and animals (10th plague of Egypt) - It is a contradiction for you to say you love your family, but to not protect them from a murderer coming to kill them. That is always the thing God is doing when He protects His family, the ancient Hebrew nation... showing His love for them.
5) It is a contradiction for an omnibenevolent god to create a place like hell and send 90% of souls there - The lake of fire is simply the destruction that the devil and mankind created, being used by God to destroy destruction, itself, and all evil along with it.

Don't reply to my post just to trash talk me with personal attacks and ignore the points I make... BADlogic - Since you do this to me on a regular basis, why should I not return the favor?

Stop acting like a petulant child and have an actual debate... or just fuck off and die (please do the latter)

There you go again, breaking up a good talk with near-expletives. Can't you ever just talk without approaching cursing in your speech?

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