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May 03, 2017, 03:26:26 PM
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Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?



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May 03, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
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Quite simple. If you believe and God exists, you'll be rewarded. If God doesn't exist, you lose nothing. Therefore believing is more optimal strategy in life (and beyond), which atheists simply can't agree with and humbly resign themselves to...
   

False.

What you're talking about is the Pascal bet, that's an old philosophical problem handed out by a French philosopher (Pascal).

It's wrong for many different reasons:
-What if there is a God but not the one you spent your life believing in?
-What if there is a God but he will judge you on your ability to think by yourself and not blindly think about god?
-What if life is just a test and after it your score is based not on your faith but for example on how much pleasure you had?
-What if there is no God at all and you spent your whole life believing in nothing important?

Pascal bet is stupid. It's based on wrong assumption and shouldn't be followed.



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May 03, 2017, 03:39:12 PM
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Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?
You are not right. If there is a God then maybe you will be rewarded and that you should not sin, and it is very difficult. Perhaps even if you believed in God to go to hell. But if there is no God then you just lost your chance and not only enjoyed the your parents your life.
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May 03, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
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Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?

Pat Buchanan wrote awhile back excellent article what benefits does *faith* have for society as a whole. It forms our culture and our culture then forms our civilization.

Civilizations (including the western one) are kept alive by principles upon which they were founded, dont you agree? Similar to ideologies or organisms for that matter.

When people lose faith, they start to lose their culture, rapturing society they have build. Eventually people themselves start to die off. Could you tell me of one western country where secular people have enough children to atleast replenish their own aging population? Why should have they children at all without faith or sense of belonging?

Craked5, you mentioned evolution without mentioning that its first major proponent, sir Darwin was practicing Christian whose faith was only (but very understandably) shook when his young daughter passed away from sickness. He described process of evolution as physical manifestation of Gods will and natural order. Not as a hammer, supposed to kill any sort of spirituality, that human beings are gifted with.

Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?
You are not right. If there is a God then maybe you will be rewarded and that you should not sin, and it is very difficult. Perhaps even if you believed in God to go to hell. But if there is no God then you just lost your chance and not only enjoyed the your parents your life.

I think you understand  Smiley

Bible is not some step by step tutorial on how to cook wasabi, rather it is testament of experience by past witnesses Smiley Ten commandments present quite useful "how to" to live your life to yours and your loved ones fullness. Life and death of Jesus Christ aswell is not to be emulated verbatim by readers, he presents ideal, Son of God, that people should look up to. To better both themselves and their surroundings in harmony with natural order.

Free will is a gift that no other species on Earth possess, you have free will to decide for yourself, whether to sin or ignore knowledge altogether. But you dont have to. Unlike animals you have the option to choose. And when you do choose, you will be held accountable for it. In this life or after it ends.
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Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?

Because of where the free will lies.

Science has shown that all activity on earth works through cause and effect. This means that the synapses that fire in our brains, are caused to fire by some causative activity; the firing is simply the effect of whatever the causative agent was. So, we do NOT have free will in the choices we make. Rather, they are programmed by cause and effect.

How do we have free will then? God holds open a little piece of free will in us. This free will has to do with how much or little we believe in Him. He controls the rest of the universe according to what He sees in our little piece of free will, and regarding the plans He has for each of us.

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May 13, 2017, 02:21:57 AM
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I never really hated religion. It always amused me that otherwise rational adults could believe in
the equivalent (in rational terms) of a santa claus or a tooth fairy albeit an invisible sky daddy, aka GOD.
When pious delusional folks start besmirching science by posting mindless drivel 24/7 on bitcointalk threads 
claiming science proves god exists..well then... I hate religion

incoming BADecker drivel in 3...2...1...

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May 13, 2017, 03:37:24 AM
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

Cool

So god is just another being that exists in this universe? Then why should we worship him? So what if he supposedly made everything, there is no proof just words in a book of twisted words and contradictions. Only a weak mind would need to believe in a greater existence.



Only weak minds? Then why would your university is imposing the philosophers value? As a mere fact thst most of them believes in the existence of God. Are you trying to say that your university proofs or the managements has a weaker mind because they were teaching you the philosophy that you believed in? ( or wait have you really been studying? Or just trying to be cool here like a weirdo retard thst thinks being an atheist is cool?)
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

Cool

So god is just another being that exists in this universe? Then why should we worship him? So what if he supposedly made everything, there is no proof just words in a book of twisted words and contradictions. Only a weak mind would need to believe in a greater existence.



Only weak minds? Then why would your university is imposing the philosophers value? As a mere fact thst most of them believes in the existence of God. Are you trying to say that your university proofs or the managements has a weaker mind because they were teaching you the philosophy that you believed in? ( or wait have you really been studying? Or just trying to be cool here like a weirdo retard thst thinks being an atheist is cool?)

Superstitions and religions are medical issues.  Not up for an intellectual discussion.

Especially not in the university.

Professors that believe in this nonsense suffer probably from paraphrenia.  That is why they can block one world view from the other. And continue to work. They are delusional.

Any sane person cannot believe in flat, 6000 year old Earth or virgin pregnancy.  Never mind all other nonsense.
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I think that this topic is getting ridiculous. People hate religions because they have their own reason. I also dont believe at them that they dont believe in God of course they do before yet their fate lessen but deep inside they are still hoping

no seriously, I don't believe any gods exist, or ever existed

If a god exists, it is an utter failure

God cannot even get people to believe he/she exists... that's a failure

If any god played an active role in manipulating events on earth it would be obvious to everyone, and we would all believe in that god

What god creates Hitler, mosquitoes, malaria, aids, and child cancer? (to name a few)

There is no reason to believe any god exists, and many reasons to believe no gods exist

Yet, you are so far above the next most intelligent animal (chimp, dolphin), that you are a god with regard to them.

Yet, you are so ignorant regarding the knowledge and intelligence behind and within the universe, that God is way greater than you.

Cool

So god is just another being that exists in this universe? Then why should we worship him? So what if he supposedly made everything, there is no proof just words in a book of twisted words and contradictions. Only a weak mind would need to believe in a greater existence.



Only weak minds? Then why would your university is imposing the philosophers value? As a mere fact thst most of them believes in the existence of God. Are you trying to say that your university proofs or the managements has a weaker mind because they were teaching you the philosophy that you believed in? ( or wait have you really been studying? Or just trying to be cool here like a weirdo retard thst thinks being an atheist is cool?)

Superstitions and religions are medical issues.  Not up for an intellectual discussion.

Especially not in the university.

Professors that believe in this nonsense suffer probably from paraphrenia.  That is why they can block one world view from the other. And continue to work. They are delusional.

Any sane person cannot believe in flat, 6000 year old Earth or virgin pregnancy.  Never mind all other nonsense.


You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

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May 13, 2017, 01:39:50 PM
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I never really hated religion. It always amused me that otherwise rational adults could believe in
the equivalent (in rational terms) of a santa claus or a tooth fairy albeit an invisible sky daddy, aka GOD.
When pious delusional folks start besmirching science by posting mindless drivel 24/7 on bitcointalk threads 
claiming science proves god exists..well then... I hate religion

incoming BADecker drivel in 3...2...1...

Why would anyone hate religion? Everyone lives in it. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever. Perhaps your religion includes believing that your religion is not a religion. The dictionary definition says opposite.

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May 13, 2017, 05:12:51 PM
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You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

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Wrong.
Science is not a religion. You say that theories are acknowledged by scientists to not be facts?
Well that's the very difference between theories and theorems... But only few theories remain. Most science aspects have been proven right now.

Could you give an example of a scientific theory that is not proven? Cause the only ones I see are... Well no scientist "believe in them" they just find those theories interesting and we think it MIGHT be the answer but that's all.



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May 13, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
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You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

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Wrong.
Science is not a religion. You say that theories are acknowledged by scientists to not be facts?
Well that's the very difference between theories and theorems... But only few theories remain. Most science aspects have been proven right now.

Could you give an example of a scientific theory that is not proven? Cause the only ones I see are... Well no scientist "believe in them" they just find those theories interesting and we think it MIGHT be the answer but that's all.

I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

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May 14, 2017, 03:54:17 AM
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You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

Cool

Wrong.
Science is not a religion. You say that theories are acknowledged by scientists to not be facts?
Well that's the very difference between theories and theorems... But only few theories remain. Most science aspects have been proven right now.

Could you give an example of a scientific theory that is not proven? Cause the only ones I see are... Well no scientist "believe in them" they just find those theories interesting and we think it MIGHT be the answer but that's all.

I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

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By definition of religion is a belief of existence of a divinity or supreme being. Religion and belief are two word with different meanings. I believe that vegetables are healthy then does that mean this is a religion? No of course. I believe that democracy is the best form of government then does this mean this is a religion? Of course not. You see science is not a religion but rather a systematic and organize body of knowledge and logical reasonings by the help of actual evidences. The theories which they have not proven yet or not certain like Big Bang is an example that they do use the evidences they have gathered to unravel history but at the same time they stated that they are unsure due to lack of evidence of proofs regarding this. The point is science is not a religion.

Don't get me wrong and saying that I'm an atheist or what. It is just that you have a wrong definition of religion there.


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May 14, 2017, 01:47:36 PM
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You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

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Wrong.
Science is not a religion. You say that theories are acknowledged by scientists to not be facts?
Well that's the very difference between theories and theorems... But only few theories remain. Most science aspects have been proven right now.

Could you give an example of a scientific theory that is not proven? Cause the only ones I see are... Well no scientist "believe in them" they just find those theories interesting and we think it MIGHT be the answer but that's all.

I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

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By definition of religion is a belief of existence of a divinity or supreme being. Religion and belief are two word with different meanings. I believe that vegetables are healthy then does that mean this is a religion? No of course. I believe that democracy is the best form of government then does this mean this is a religion? Of course not. You see science is not a religion but rather a systematic and organize body of knowledge and logical reasonings by the help of actual evidences. The theories which they have not proven yet or not certain like Big Bang is an example that they do use the evidences they have gathered to unravel history but at the same time they stated that they are unsure due to lack of evidence of proofs regarding this. The point is science is not a religion.

Don't get me wrong and saying that I'm an atheist or what. It is just that you have a wrong definition of religion there.

Definition of religion:
religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

As you can see from the definition, religion does not necessarily always pertain to a supreme being.

If you tell yourself and others that you believe that vegetables are healthy, you may not really believe it. But if you do really believe it, it is part of your religion of life... by the definition.

If you tell yourself and others that you believe that democracy is the best form of government, you may not really believe it. But if you do really believe it, it is part of your religion of life... by the definition.

As I have stated, above, science is not a religion. Even science theories are not a religion. But, if you tell yourself and others that you believe that the subject of a science theory is factual when you know that it is not, you may not really believe it. But if you do really believe it, it is part of your religion of life... by the definition.

You might have your own definition of religion, or there might be several different public definitions of religion, but when you get into the detailed definition of religion that is shown in various encyclopedias, the, above, definition is one of the most accurate.

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May 14, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
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note how in that definition posted above, nowhere are the words "evidence" or "reason" ....
small wonder...when it comes to religion, there is neither


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May 14, 2017, 04:37:11 PM
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I am not an atheists, but tilting towards it. Mainly because the biggest of wars were fought to show that one's religion is better and still these wars are being waged. Even less violent religions like Hinduism have so many evil things associated with them. Religion is doing no good to the society. It's better to be an atheist and just don't harm other people or animals, contribute towards a better society and stay far from the crimes. 

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May 14, 2017, 06:24:08 PM
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I am not an atheists, but tilting towards it. Mainly because the biggest of wars were fought to show that one's religion is better and still these wars are being waged. Even less violent religions like Hinduism have so many evil things associated with them. Religion is doing no good to the society. It's better to be an atheist and just don't harm other people or animals, contribute towards a better society and stay far from the crimes. 
So many bad things had been done in the name of God or religion. But we must not forgot that every bad thing that is done it is done by man, and man alone. I do not think that it is fair to blame everything on religion, because religion on its own teach us to be good and help and love each other. Corrupted people who use religion for there own gain are bad, not religion.
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May 16, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
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I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

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This guy is soooooooooooo dumb
I mean everytime he writes something I lose more and more faith in humanity ><


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May 16, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
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I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

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This guy is soooooooooooo dumb
I mean everytime he writes something I lose more and more faith in humanity ><


People like this are soooooooooooooo silly. They have something important to say... they think... but they don't even understand their own reasons why.

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May 16, 2017, 03:01:07 PM
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I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

Cool

This guy is soooooooooooo dumb
I mean everytime he writes something I lose more and more faith in humanity ><


People like this are soooooooooooooo silly. They have something important to say... they think... but they don't even understand their own reasons why.

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I think because they are just rushing their post on their signature campaign. they need to fill the quota on their signature campaign thats why even if they construct a sentence that makes no sense, it will be okay for them just to finish their quotas.

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