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October 12, 2015, 04:35:33 AM
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Hi so I downloaded the new 0.4.3 version (says 0.4.2UI) and imported my legacy wallet from a much older version I think it was 0.3.3 or something.  About how long should it take for my balance to appear?

Also, once my balance appears do I only need to remember the long lists of words that the Sia wallet gave me when I first opened it?  I no longer need to keep any backups? Or any of the backups from the 0.3.3 wallets I was keeping until people would stop losing their coins?

Thanks!

when it fully syncs - unlock your wallet and the imported coins should show up ( although mine took a little bit of time initially ) ...

thats what happened with mine anyway ...

always keep the password list handy ... always ...

always make backups ... always ...

Wink ...

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Okay thanks! My client is fully synced and no coins have yet to appear. Hopefully they will after a while.  I don't know if it matters but the wallets are from the old 0.3.3 version because I'm always too scared to do anything.  I don't want to lose my coins.

For the backup you are talking about is writing down all the words enough? Or is there a wallet.dat file we should be backing up to? I've lost track of all the different versions of sia that save the wallet.backup and the wallet.dat in different places.  And do we need both or is just one of them sufficient?

I think a guide on how to upgrade to new wallets without losing your coins would be really helpful especially to new users.  I now have multiple different backups in different location which makes things different.

And the gateway host and renter folders in my home folder, are the still necessary? Or where they part of the old 0.3.3 system? Thanks for all the help!


I think I may have been another person just to lose all their coins even though this new release was supposed to be fool proof.  It keeps on saying my wallet is loaded but I still have 0 coins and it has been about an hour now.  I really think that there should be instructions so users don't have to deal with this on their own.

Or releases should be less frequent and instead new versions should only come out after being bug tested so things like this don't keep on happening to users repeatedly.  When sia was first released on poloniex I couldn't even move my coins becuase the mac wallet wasn't working and kept giving me errors on that no passphrase was appearing.  Is this how I could have just lost all my coins?


Problem averted.  I quit all sia process in activity monitor and closed sia.  I reopened it and tried reimporting my legacy wallets (which I had many of from every time a new version with new rules came out).  After unlocking, locking, and relocking the wallet the coins appeared.  All in all it was probably more than an hour process just to get my coins over to the new wallet.  I really think some user friendly guides would be great so people stop having issues.  I would also vote for less releases and instead have the releases more functional from the start for all operating systems including mac! Generally all my problems come from a problem in the mac build.  I think late releases that work better are far better than early releases that constantly need updates.

And one last question: Is the mnemonic enough to use a a backup for my wallet? Or is there a wallet.dat and wallet.backup saved somewhere that I should backup as well? And the consensus, gateway, host, and renter folders in my home folder are they still necessary for this version of sia or where they apart of the old 0.3.3 versions?

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October 12, 2015, 05:28:10 AM
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Hi so I downloaded the new 0.4.3 version (says 0.4.2UI) and imported my legacy wallet from a much older version I think it was 0.3.3 or something.  About how long should it take for my balance to appear?

Also, once my balance appears do I only need to remember the long lists of words that the Sia wallet gave me when I first opened it?  I no longer need to keep any backups? Or any of the backups from the 0.3.3 wallets I was keeping until people would stop losing their coins?

Thanks!

when it fully syncs - unlock your wallet and the imported coins should show up ( although mine took a little bit of time initially ) ...

thats what happened with mine anyway ...

always keep the password list handy ... always ...

always make backups ... always ...

Wink ...

#crysx

Okay thanks! My client is fully synced and no coins have yet to appear. Hopefully they will after a while.  I don't know if it matters but the wallets are from the old 0.3.3 version because I'm always too scared to do anything.  I don't want to lose my coins.

For the backup you are talking about is writing down all the words enough? Or is there a wallet.dat file we should be backing up to? I've lost track of all the different versions of sia that save the wallet.backup and the wallet.dat in different places.  And do we need both or is just one of them sufficient?

I think a guide on how to upgrade to new wallets without losing your coins would be really helpful especially to new users.  I now have multiple different backups in different location which makes things different.

And the gateway host and renter folders in my home folder, are the still necessary? Or where they part of the old 0.3.3 system? Thanks for all the help!


I think I may have been another person just to lose all their coins even though this new release was supposed to be fool proof.  It keeps on saying my wallet is loaded but I still have 0 coins and it has been about an hour now.  I really think that there should be instructions so users don't have to deal with this on their own.

Or releases should be less frequent and instead new versions should only come out after being bug tested so things like this don't keep on happening to users repeatedly.  When sia was first released on poloniex I couldn't even move my coins becuase the mac wallet wasn't working and kept giving me errors on that no passphrase was appearing.  Is this how I could have just lost all my coins?


Problem averted.  I quit all sia process in activity monitor and closed sia.  I reopened it and tried reimporting my legacy wallets (which I had many of from every time a new version with new rules came out).  After unlocking, locking, and relocking the wallet the coins appeared.  All in all it was probably more than an hour process just to get my coins over to the new wallet.  I really think some user friendly guides would be great so people stop having issues.  I would also vote for less releases and instead have the releases more functional from the start for all operating systems including mac! Generally all my problems come from a problem in the mac build.  I think late releases that work better are far better than early releases that constantly need updates.

And one last question: Is the mnemonic enough to use a a backup for my wallet? Or is there a wallet.dat and wallet.backup saved somewhere that I should backup as well? And the consensus, gateway, host, and renter folders in my home folder are they still necessary for this version of sia or where they apart of the old 0.3.3 versions?

Thanks!

thats good that the coins are there ...

as far as i am aware - the wallet is no longer stored as a .dat file - but rather - as .json file ...

that will be the only thing that is required as a backup - but again - with all the changes ( and yes taek - they are good changes ) i am a little ost as to whether that is all you will need to back up ...

i place ALL wallets in separate directories - and name them accordingly ... as sia is 'portable' - it can be moved anywhere you like as long as you have the directories all in tact ...

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October 12, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
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Just found out bout this coin, trying to set up client... in order to share storage it says I have to open port 9982(Im assuming TCP?) I have and it still wont let me host any storage.
Also, how does one configure where this storage is on my PC? like what drive letters etc...
Are there any requirements in order to start earning for dedicating my storage?

Is this coin approaching death or something?

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October 12, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
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Just found out bout this coin, trying to set up client... in order to share storage it says I have to open port 9982(Im assuming TCP?) I have and it still wont let me host any storage.
Also, how does one configure where this storage is on my PC? like what drive letters etc...

Welcome!

What error do you get? TCP port 9982 is correct. It should set up forwarding on your router, but you can go the manual way as well in case that does not work.

You can't specify storage location yet.

Sia is still in beta. Just keep that in mind.

Are there any requirements in order to start earning for dedicating my storage?

None other that being able to host. You can host any amount of storage. If you set your price too high, you may not be selected by uploaders though. Earnings are paid out after 6000 blocks, if the data is still on your drive.

Is this coin approaching death or something?

Far from it. Nearing lift-off is more like it...
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October 12, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
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Just found out bout this coin, trying to set up client... in order to share storage it says I have to open port 9982(Im assuming TCP?) I have and it still wont let me host any storage.
Also, how does one configure where this storage is on my PC? like what drive letters etc...

Welcome!

What error do you get? TCP port 9982 is correct. It should set up forwarding on your router, but you can go the manual way as well in case that does not work.

You can't specify storage location yet.

Sia is still in beta. Just keep that in mind.

Are there any requirements in order to start earning for dedicating my storage?

None other that being able to host. You can host any amount of storage. If you set your price too high, you may not be selected by uploaders though. Earnings are paid out after 6000 blocks, if the data is still on your drive.

Is this coin approaching death or something?

Far from it. Nearing lift-off is more like it...


Thanks for the info =)

I get error 400, bad request, host not reachable port 9982.
I definitely have both 9982 & 9981(I saw that was a potential fix) reachable and I see traffic logged in my router at least on 9981, but theres barely any traffic on 9982.

Also, where is the documentation for like command line options n stuff?
Im running sia-gui windows x64 build.
How is space allocated then? is it just in the launching directory the space stored or is it in a different location?
How do I add the space of multiple drives then?

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October 12, 2015, 11:54:19 PM
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I get error 400, bad request, host not reachable port 9982.
I definitely have both 9982 & 9981(I saw that was a potential fix) reachable and I see traffic logged in my router at least on 9981, but theres barely any traffic on 9982.

Could your Windows firewall be blocking that port?

Also, where is the documentation for like command line options n stuff?

All docs are here:
https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia/tree/master/doc

You can access options easily on command line:
Code:
siac help
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siac wallet help
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siac host help

and so on.

Im running sia-gui windows x64 build.
How is space allocated then? is it just in the launching directory the space stored or is it in a different location?

The rented space is /host/ folder where siac is located. All hosted files are store there.

How do I add the space of multiple drives then?

At the moment, there is no built-in support for this in Sia. It is a bit bare-bones at the moment, though fully functional. If you have multiple volumes you want to use for Sia, you may want to configure an LVM partition and run Sia off that.

In case you haven't already, you may also want to read this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zNpAct53E_5p4KO3_-ZOrg5N9HQw8ACTQ7zAyksSIf8/edit
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October 13, 2015, 12:37:15 AM
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Ok, cool I got the hosting to work by forcing my ip:port via "siac host announce ip:port"
In fact I already have someone renting.
Thanks for the tip on the storage location.

Now, my question is, if I shutdown my siad (or the gui version) ... will have I have to manually reannounce again?
What if I make changes to my storage size, file size etc? Will I have to reannounce?

Also, do I have to have my wallet unlocked to host?

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October 13, 2015, 12:57:07 AM
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If you stop siad I don't think you'll have to reanounce but I'm not certain.

If you change price/size parameters you do not have to re announce, that I know for sure.

Unlocked status... I don't know for certain but I want to say it has to be unlocked, otherwise the contract wouldn't have an address to pay to.

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October 13, 2015, 04:57:04 AM
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And yes, you don't unlock until the database is caught up and the balance will still read zero until you unlock. This is more of a feature than a bug if I understand correctly.

"feature" -> it was designed to work that way, but enough people have complained about it that we're going to make it display the correct balance even before you unlock. This isn't going to be ready by 0.4.4, but hopefully not long after.

Hi so I downloaded the new 0.4.3 version (says 0.4.2UI) and imported my legacy wallet from a much older version I think it was 0.3.3 or something.  About how long should it take for my balance to appear?

Also, once my balance appears do I only need to remember the long lists of words that the Sia wallet gave me when I first opened it?  I no longer need to keep any backups? Or any of the backups from the 0.3.3 wallets I was keeping until people would stop losing their coins?

Thanks!

Balance should appear once the blockchain is caught up. Legacy wallets don't always work, but if the balance was appearing in the legacy client then it will also appear in the new client.

You should always keep your old backups  Smiley. That long list of words is called the 'seed'. When you import a legacy wallet, it does not move the coins to a seed-based address -> need to keep a backup of the wallet file. As you use the wallet more, the coins will slowly be cycled onto a seed address, though it's a pretty random process. Definitely best to keep the backups somewhere safe. (Alternatively, you can just send all of your coins to a seed-based address, that will work just fine)

For the backup you are talking about is writing down all the words enough? Or is there a wallet.dat file we should be backing up to? I've lost track of all the different versions of sia that save the wallet.backup and the wallet.dat in different places.  And do we need both or is just one of them sufficient?

I think a guide on how to upgrade to new wallets without losing your coins would be really helpful especially to new users.  I now have multiple different backups in different location which makes things different.

And the gateway host and renter folders in my home folder, are the still necessary? Or where they part of the old 0.3.3 system? Thanks for all the help!

Keep all your folders, you still need them. It's best to keep a backup of the wallet.json as well. The wallet still has some rough spots in it as far as user experience goes, but so far everybody who has thought that they lost coins using the 0.4.x wallets has been able to recover them. We've had 4-5 people report that their coins were gone, but every time we were able to find them. Obviously, it's better that you never need to go searching for them in the first place, we have a few improvements in the pipeline that will help (but still probably 3-5 weeks away).

Or releases should be less frequent and instead new versions should only come out after being bug tested so things like this don't keep on happening to users repeatedly.  When sia was first released on poloniex I couldn't even move my coins becuase the mac wallet wasn't working and kept giving me errors on that no passphrase was appearing.

We do need better testing procedures. Less frequent releases is actually damaging though: we are changing/upgrading Sia at the same speed no matter how often we make releases. If we go a long time without making a release, we end up changing too many things and people get confused about how to use the new wallet. Also, the number of bugs we missed during testing is much higher, so the experience is both buggier and more confusing.

Rapid release cycles have been proven repeatedly to be the best way to develop software. We are also upgrading our testing process and improving the number of tests every release. Currently we have 450 tests that we run every release.

Also, where is the documentation for like command line options n stuff?

when using the command line tools, you'll find `--help` to be very useful. A lot of commands have subcommands, you can run things like `siac wallet --help` to get wallet specific help. And `siac wallet send --help` to get help specific to sending money around.

If you stop siad I don't think you'll have to reanounce but I'm not certain.

If you change price/size parameters you do not have to re announce, that I know for sure.

Unlocked status... I don't know for certain but I want to say it has to be unlocked, otherwise the contract wouldn't have an address to pay to.

No need to reannounce after stopping siad.

Siad needs to be unlocked for hosting to work.
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Hey,

I'd like to know what interest there is to buy brand new HDDs (also laptops and GPUs) in the community. Through a really big procurement that I'm directing IRL, I'd be able to offer decent discounts. The negative side is that I can only handle a few different models (those my employer chose to buy), although many of each one.

As an example:

WD Green WD60EZRX 6TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Standard price is $279 but newegg have them on discount for $222.

Seagate Desktop SSHD ST4000DX001 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Solid State Hybrid Drive Bare Drive Standard price is $279 but newegg have them on discount for $229.

I'd be able to sell these for approx. $170 (EU) and $185 (US) incl. shipping.

These are examples to give you idea of what percentage the discount would be offered.


If you are interested, please go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1207919

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October 14, 2015, 03:54:01 AM
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Checking out the block explorer and am curious about the below:

"Seen time of newest mature block   Oct 10, 2015 at 8:52am (UTC)"

This obviously can't be the last found block as it's almost 4 days ago. If its the amount of time before you can spend you coinbase transaction then isn't that rather a very long time?

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October 14, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
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Checking out the block explorer and am curious about the below:

"Seen time of newest mature block   Oct 10, 2015 at 8:52am (UTC)"

This obviously can't be the last found block as it's almost 4 days ago. If its the amount of time before you can spend you coinbase transaction then isn't that rather a very long time?

That date is the last mature block, or as you said the time before you can spend your coinbase.

Block times have been pretty slow lately so it may be artificially long.

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October 14, 2015, 06:11:29 AM
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Checking out the block explorer and am curious about the below:

"Seen time of newest mature block   Oct 10, 2015 at 8:52am (UTC)"

This obviously can't be the last found block as it's almost 4 days ago. If its the amount of time before you can spend you coinbase transaction then isn't that rather a very long time?

That date is the last mature block, or as you said the time before you can spend your coinbase.

Block times have been pretty slow lately so it may be artificially long.

Correct, it's the most recent coinbase that can be spent. It's supposed to be 24 hours, but thanks to heavy mining instability (we've got a pool that hops on and off as the difficulty adjusts), our median block time is closer to 40 minutes.
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October 14, 2015, 08:45:48 AM
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Checking out the block explorer and am curious about the below:

"Seen time of newest mature block   Oct 10, 2015 at 8:52am (UTC)"

This obviously can't be the last found block as it's almost 4 days ago. If its the amount of time before you can spend you coinbase transaction then isn't that rather a very long time?

That date is the last mature block, or as you said the time before you can spend your coinbase.

Block times have been pretty slow lately so it may be artificially long.

Correct, it's the most recent coinbase that can be spent. It's supposed to be 24 hours, but thanks to heavy mining instability (we've got a pool that hops on and off as the difficulty adjusts), our median block time is closer to 40 minutes.

The heavy mining instability is the consequence of the difficulty adjustement  : the block time is directly linked to difficulty (the higher the slower) and hashrate (the lower, the slower). The mining profit is directly linked to the difficulty (and price!).

I noted the following pattern since about 10 days :

step 1 :diff = 100X : at this time : very high --> slow block production because diff is high and hashrate is low since it is not profitable or not the most profitable coin : about 1 block per hour or worse
step 2 : 500 block later (a week or more) : diff is adjusted : 50X (half the previous one) --> about normal block production : hashrate increase since it is profitable, block time seems about normal, some farms and miners are back
step 3: 500 block later (two days) : diff is again adjusted (why?) : about 16X or 25X (half or less thant the previous one): fast block  production with huge hashrate since it is the most profitable coin, private farms jumps with full power.
step 1 again : 500 block later (less than one day) : back to 100x step 1

As you may see we are locked in this circle. To my opinion, difficulty adjustement needs some tweaking for smoother block production : even a public pool may not be enough to fix this (but it will help).
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October 14, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
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Checking out the block explorer and am curious about the below:

"Seen time of newest mature block   Oct 10, 2015 at 8:52am (UTC)"

This obviously can't be the last found block as it's almost 4 days ago. If its the amount of time before you can spend you coinbase transaction then isn't that rather a very long time?

That date is the last mature block, or as you said the time before you can spend your coinbase.

Block times have been pretty slow lately so it may be artificially long.

Correct, it's the most recent coinbase that can be spent. It's supposed to be 24 hours, but thanks to heavy mining instability (we've got a pool that hops on and off as the difficulty adjusts), our median block time is closer to 40 minutes.

Is there a pool for SIA ?
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October 14, 2015, 02:14:18 PM
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Hello Sia community.

I recently started watching this technology and successfully setup my first host partition.

I'd like to say that I found gui wallet 0.4.3 simple to use and it looks great.

I hope someday P2Pool mining will be directly integrated into the wallet, let me enter in the P2Pool node address and push start.

Keep up the good work.
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October 14, 2015, 04:08:32 PM
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I noted the following pattern since about 10 days :

step 1 :diff = 100X : at this time : very high --> slow block production because diff is high and hashrate is low since it is not profitable or not the most profitable coin : about 1 block per hour or worse
step 2 : 500 block later (a week or more) : diff is adjusted : 50X (half the previous one) --> about normal block production : hashrate increase since it is profitable, block time seems about normal, some farms and miners are back
step 3: 500 block later (two days) : diff is again adjusted (why?) : about 16X or 25X (half or less thant the previous one): fast block  production with huge hashrate since it is the most profitable coin, private farms jumps with full power.
step 1 again : 500 block later (less than one day) : back to 100x step 1

As you may see we are locked in this circle. To my opinion, difficulty adjustement needs some tweaking for smoother block production : even a public pool may not be enough to fix this (but it will help).


It's a last resort, but if we continue to have huge problems with the mining difficulty, we'll switch up the algorithm. I have a new algorithm in mind that should be more stable in this coin-hopping-happy mining environment.

Is there a pool for SIA ?

Not yet

I hope someday P2Pool mining will be directly integrated into the wallet, let me enter in the P2Pool node address and push start.

There are alternatives to p2pool (such as payment-channel based mining pools) which provide as much control to miners as p2pool but have much less network overhead and are easier to implement. We'll be adding those types of pools at some point soon, I'm guessing p2pool will not be implemented on Sia because payment-channel pools are generally superior.

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I have an updated miner for linux

This new miner should work, and should have a lower stale rate than the 0.3.3.3 miner. Right now I only have a version for linux. You'll need run the 'siad' that's in the download as well as use the miner that's in the download. I need help testing it to verify that the stale rate has actually improved, I don't have enough hashpower on my own to verify that.

http://pixeldra.in/u/07JeiN

If all seems to be working well, we'll do our best to get mac + windows binaries released before block 21,000.
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October 14, 2015, 09:09:22 PM
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coin-hopping-happy mining environment.

lol, that's about the size of it  Grin

Yes will be waiting to try the windows miner  Wink

Thx Taek!

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October 14, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
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Any chance of updating the explorer to show the current difficulty. Looks like you can see it when viewing the block details. And from what I can see difficulty is very high at 440T (and is that for the next 350 blocks?). I do think the difficulty adjustment algo needs to be enhanced to more quickly retarget. I'm eager for a pool to be released by @ocminer as I would like to start mining this coin.

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October 15, 2015, 01:44:14 AM
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Any chance of updating the explorer to show the current difficulty. Looks like you can see it when viewing the block details. And from what I can see difficulty is very high at 440T (and is that for the next 350 blocks?). I do think the difficulty adjustment algo needs to be enhanced to more quickly retarget. I'm eager for a pool to be released by @ocminer as I would like to start mining this coin.
Yes patiently waiting for the pool as well. Almost thought it was imminent as in a few pages back  lol

I know these things take time however. And as is being discussed, perhaps some tweaking on the block lag. But it would be sorta neat to see how or if things would level out and become stable and consistent on its own after a pool. But as ol92 mentioned, a pool may not be enough... see what Taek maybe has up his sleeve?  Grin

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