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December 17, 2023, 10:02:51 PM
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They should easily defeat Bochuk who are also strugglers in the Bundesliga League Competition. They make it look like it's one easy task to carry out. Like I've always said, after all these hardwork and winning rate and conversions. They really deserve to be leaders of the Bundesliga League Competition at the end of the season. Xabi Alonso also deserves it for his profile. Doing such a great job with a club who didn't spend too much during the transfer window.

Harry Kane has just scored twenty league goals tonight. He be doing too much. One can say that he's the best buy across all European Competitions, Jude Bellingham be doing well also but Harry Kane, personally has done better. Two goals against Stuggart to help Bayern Munich win. They also be having a game to play. They win that one and will be right behind Bayern Leverkusen to leapfrog em for any drop in form.

Leverkusen, still maintained its performance, played well in the match against Frankfrurt. I wouldn't be surprised if Xabi Alonso's squad would score at least 2 or 3 goals in this match. that's why, I think the Over 3 goals option is the ideal one. but unfortunately, Fankfurt were unable to score a goal or at least reduce their defeat against Leverkusen. In fact, Fankfurt mostly did not move when playing their match at BayArena, Leverkusen's headquarters. overall, Leverkusen players played very well and they deserved to win this match. and I agree with what you say, the fact is that Leverkusen doesn't spend a lot on expensive players. however, this team played their match very solidly. the coach and the Leverkusen players have very good chemistry. so, so far they have not experienced defeat in their 15 matches even though 3 of them ended in draws. and it seems that Leverkusen will continue to progress with a positive trend with the next opponents they will face later, unless Leverkusen is underform. but so far, Alonso continues to ensure his squad is on the right track.

As for Bayern Munich, it's like Leverkusen. I previously thought that Stuttgart would at least score a goal, but in fact these two teams show differences in quality and team level. even though Stuttgart actually dominated ball possession, there was not a single opportunity to endanger Bayern Munich in this match. in the end, Stuttgart had to admit that their squad was not yet on par with Bayern Munich. interestingly, as far as I've seen, Kane tends to score easy goals. however, every time he scores, he is in the right position. there's no need to doubt his instincts as a Munich goal machine. He scored two goals in this match. so, Kane has scored 20 goals. in the end, moving away from a 4 goal difference from Serhou Guirassy who was previously above Harry Kane. well, both teams won the match and the competition remains increasingly serious, especially for these two teams.

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December 17, 2023, 10:34:09 PM
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The Bundesliga this season is very competitive and it seems that Bayern are not having it easy, they are not managing to stay at the top since many rounds, without a doubt this is disturbing Bayern's management mainly because they are seeing a team like Leverkusen who didn't make big investments like Bayern did and yet they are performing excellently, so far Leverkusen haven't lost in any game, they've gone 15 games without losing, that's a great achievement they're having in the Bundesliga this season. Speaking of the games they had in this round, Bayern managed to win without conceding a goal, in a game in which Stuttgard's goalkeeper managed to prevent Kane from scoring much more than 2 goals, in the 1 half it was incredible to see how Stuttgard's goalkeeper managed to defend Bayern players' shots

but he's not a superman and with all the pressure he was under, eventually he would give in and Bayern would score a goal and that's what happened, Bayern managed to score 3 goals in that game and with that they won the game, as Bayern still has one game left to play. missing then the points difference is currently at 4 points, but if Bayern plays the missing game and wins then this difference will be reduced to 1 point. And speaking of the difference in points, Leverkusen won without difficulty, in a game in which there were high expectations because they were playing against an opponent who beat Bayern in a humiliating way, but against Leverkusen they were unable to score at least 1 goal. This shows how Leverkusen is a strong team

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December 17, 2023, 10:37:01 PM
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Leverkusen is kicking yoo!!!! Im going all in leverkusen as this team is very consistent compared to the bayern. It has good attacking and defending lines which are making the club looked like a perfect club.
Even though tuchel was more experienced than xabi but he needs also need to learn from how xabo was working with his club.
Experience is not always a benchmark for making a club great, the way Xabi and Tuchel work is of course different in managing their players, Munich will face Stuttgart if they fail again, of course this will make it easier for Leverkusen to stay at the top of the standings. Stuttgart always plays well against their opponents in their five matches, they only lost once and won three times in a row, I think Stuttgart will make it difficult for Munich to get full points.

Leverkusen must at least manage to win and get full points against Frankfurt in order to maintain a further point gap with Munich. To be honest, this season I want a new champion and hope Leverkusen can break Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga. I'm sure Leverkusen will be able to maintain its consistency until the end of the season.
If you look at Tuchel's experience, of course he is quite experienced because he has succeeded in leading the team he coached to become UCL champions. But if you look at Xabi Alonso, of course he is a phenomenal coach because he is able to make a squad with ordinary players into the strongest team, whether in the Bundesliga or in the European league. So these two coaches are equally good but Xabi Alonso is the best at the moment because he managed to build a squad from the lowest point to the highest point on the in standings.

The efforts of these two teams will show who will be successful in delivering their team to champions this season because whether it is Bayern Munich or Leverkusen, they have performed quite impressively this season. For me, of course I want to see another team become champions in the Bundesliga and overthrow Bayern munich dominance, but that would require a big surprise and I hope Leverkusen can give us a surprise. In this week match, both teams both collected full points from the matches they played, where Bayern Munich won the match 3-0 and Leverkusen won the match with a score of 3-0.

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December 17, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
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Stuttgart had a really rough day against Bayern Munich.  Sad  They couldn't be effective in the attacking line much at Allianz Arena. In the second half they were in much worse condition. We just saw the strength gap between two sides very clearly in short. If the game was in Stuttgart then I'm curious what would have happened.
That's it, Stuttgart really got tough opponent this week amd couldn't do more to at least make any goal until the end.
But on the otjer hand, This is a very satisfying result for this week's match. In the end, both Bayern Munich and Leverkusen were able to win against their opponents, who incidentally were top clubs in the Bundesliga, with quite satisfying goals, namely 3 - 0. In fact, both Frankfurt and Stuttgart had tried optimally to block attacks from the opposing team. However, when they won, this time Bayern and Leverkusen were really able to work more efficiently and optimally.
Bayern Munich were ready for this match against Stuttgart at the opposite of their shameful game against Frankfurt in the previous round, while Stuttgart weren't able to get even a draw vs Bayern Munich like they did against Bayer Leverkusen previously.
Same goes for Frankfurt, they were able to beat Bayern Munich by 5 goals and failed to grab even a point from Bayer Leverkusen. Worst Leverkusen scored 3 goals in their goal without receiving any. Both Bayern Munich and Bayer Leverkusen were ready for these games.
In this round, Leipzig, Freiburg and Wolfsburg profited the most from the defeats of their close opponents and advanced by many ranks. Meanwhile a gap is being created between the last 4 teams and the others. The difference between these 4 teams is only one point! Union Berlin are lacking a game but since it is against Bayern Munich then we assume they have the same number of games played Roll Eyes

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December 17, 2023, 10:59:20 PM
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The Stuttgart team is quite strong. And so I thought the match might be very competitive. It will not be easy for Bayern Munich to win this match. But Bayern Munich are very lucky. Harry Kane scored a goal just 2 minutes into the match to give Bayern Munich the lead.

Bayern Munich lead 1-0 at the end of the first half. However, the performance of Stuttgart's players is not weak. Stuttgart's players continue to try to score. Stuttgart had 70% of the ball possession in the first half. The second quarter is expected to be more competitive.
Harry Kane has doubled the lead for Bayern Munich; they will now be five points behind Bayern Leverkusen if they win the match. But Stuttgart is performing well in the match; they are still playing well as they still have the highest ball possession, but Bayern is creating more dangerous attempts, and they have Harry Kane in the top nine to be scoring the goals, and he has delivered perfectly so far because he is a very good striker that will win trophies for Bayern.
Bayern Munic win tonight is good and very important for the team so they keep hope of the title alive. The win will also help them redeem their image from the embarrassing humiliation they suffered in the hands of Eintracht Frankfurt. I can feel Bayern Leverkusen already shivering seeing Bayern closing in on them. Bayern is expected to win their outstanding match to reduce the point gap between them and Leverkusen to just one.  Tonight is another proof that Harry Kane is still lethal as always and his signing should be celebrated as one of the best decision of the German Champions. 

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December 17, 2023, 11:20:19 PM
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The Stuttgart team is quite strong. And so I thought the match might be very competitive. It will not be easy for Bayern Munich to win this match. But Bayern Munich are very lucky. Harry Kane scored a goal just 2 minutes into the match to give Bayern Munich the lead.

Bayern Munich lead 1-0 at the end of the first half. However, the performance of Stuttgart's players is not weak. Stuttgart's players continue to try to score. Stuttgart had 70% of the ball possession in the first half. The second quarter is expected to be more competitive.
Harry Kane has doubled the lead for Bayern Munich; they will now be five points behind Bayern Leverkusen if they win the match. But Stuttgart is performing well in the match; they are still playing well as they still have the highest ball possession, but Bayern is creating more dangerous attempts, and they have Harry Kane in the top nine to be scoring the goals, and he has delivered perfectly so far because he is a very good striker that will win trophies for Bayern.
Bayern Munic win tonight is good and very important for the team so they keep hope of the title alive. The win will also help them redeem their image from the embarrassing humiliation they suffered in the hands of Eintracht Frankfurt. I can feel Bayern Leverkusen already shivering seeing Bayern closing in on them. Bayern is expected to win their outstanding match to reduce the point gap between them and Leverkusen to just one.  Tonight is another proof that Harry Kane is still lethal as always and his signing should be celebrated as one of the best decision of the German Champions. 

The win is a huge one for the Bayern Munich at least it will help them to build the winning momentum of the players after they suffered their biggest league defeat of the season following their 5:1 loss against Frankfurt. For the Leverkusen team I don't think i agree with you on what you said about them because the team is playing like champions already because they are very ready to beat any team they play against right now because they are hot, Bayern Munch should focus so much on improving the team right now because last season they managed to win the league title because Dortmund let them win by playing a draw in a match that should have given them the lead ri win the league but i think this season they need to improve or risk the league this season to hands of ther rivals Leverkusen.

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December 17, 2023, 11:30:13 PM
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Bayern Munic win tonight is good and very important for the team so they keep hope of the title alive. The win will also help them redeem their image from the embarrassing humiliation they suffered in the hands of Eintracht Frankfurt. I can feel Bayern Leverkusen already shivering seeing Bayern closing in on them. Bayern is expected to win their outstanding match to reduce the point gap between them and Leverkusen to just one.  Tonight is another proof that Harry Kane is still lethal as always and his signing should be celebrated as one of the best decision of the German Champions. 
That is important win for Bayern to avoid a decreasing mentality after a heavy loss. This is not just redemption, because this win is not just about gaining three points but also about restoring the team's reputation and confidence. They also need a winning streak after this, if they dont want to have a decreasing mentality. Bayern need to put pressure on Bayern Leverkusen who are in high morale with the win and the lead on the standings.

The anticipation that Bayern Munich could potentially reduce the point gap to just one further emphasizes the significance of this win in the context of the ongoing title race. Having Harry Kane as a key player who has a lethal nature is the best signing decisions made by the German Champions. His impact suggests and contribution goes beyond individual success and it has a positive ripple effect on the team's overall performance.

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Leverkusen finished ahead with 1 goal in the first half. Generally speaking, we are not watching very active football, there has not been much work for goalkeepers so far. We watched a few positions, but in a normal match there would have been many more goal attempts, the teams seem to be playing a little cautiously.
I think Leverkusen can score 1-2 more goals in the second half of the match, Leverkusen will win this match Smiley

Leverkusen got a masterclass performance against Eintracht Frankfurt with a 3 - 0 lead it was a win for Frankfurt, Leverkusen has now 39 points and is leading the Bundesliga while even though they are leading in the Bundesliga now they can not be comfortable with that lead as Bayern Munich also have a win over Stuttgart with 3 - 0 as well, but Leverkusen was so dominant with the game as they have managed to do the same with Frankfurt,

Yes I see Bayern Leverkusen scoring more goals in this game. They are currently leading with 2 goals and they are going to win this game. They have to win the game so that they win continue to exert their authority in the league table.

Just I wrong move for Bayer Leverkusen and they will surely get it, as Bayern Munich is not that behind, and those 2 goals are just that and Bayern Munich still has a chance to get the lead against Leverkusen, so for sure they still have a chance to lead but that is if Leverkusen got some mistakes along the way and this is an opportunity for Bayern Munich,
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December 17, 2023, 11:48:23 PM
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That is important win for Bayern to avoid a decreasing mentality after a heavy loss. This is not just redemption, because this win is not just about gaining three points but also about restoring the team's reputation and confidence. They also need a winning streak after this, if they dont want to have a decreasing mentality. Bayern need to put pressure on Bayern Leverkusen who are in high morale with the win and the lead on the standings.

The anticipation that Bayern Munich could potentially reduce the point gap to just one further emphasizes the significance of this win in the context of the ongoing title race. Having Harry Kane as a key player who has a lethal nature is the best signing decisions made by the German Champions. His impact suggests and contribution goes beyond individual success and it has a positive ripple effect on the team's overall performance.
Their opponents wasn't strong enough to adapt the high pressure coming from Bayern Munich. A team can either suffer the positive or negative impact of a coach or players, every potential manager hopes for more prominent and serious players. Bayern Munich won and accumulated another three points to close th gap difference between them and Bayer Leverkusen topping the Bundesliga table. Thomas Tuchel have grown to be the pre-eminent rival for Xabi Alonso this season, I think it's high time power changes hand because we're sick and tire of watching the Bavarians winning the scudetto.

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December 17, 2023, 11:50:52 PM
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Bayern Munich finally can able to return to the winning ways after they beat Stuttgart yesterday and this is interesting because during the game Stuttgart dominate and control the match with 63% ball possessions but Bayern Munich can able to managed their defense and they didn't concede a goal until the end of the match however Kane was never dissapoint if he was played because he didn't stopped to scores for each matches in all competitions and until week 15 he has scores 20 goals

On the other hand the title race looks very interesting for each week because not only Bayern Munich who able to gets the winning results because as i predicted Leverkusen also was able to managed their unbeated records by humiliated Frankfurt yesterday and playing at home Leverkusen can able to gets easy win from Frankfurt and Leverkusen looks very comfortable to control the game which make Frankfurt was unable to develop their game however this result make Leverkusen has 39 points from 15 matches and the league almost near to half of season and most likely Leverkusen will being an mid season champion

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The anticipation that Bayern Munich could potentially reduce the point gap to just one further emphasizes the significance of this win in the context of the ongoing title race. Having Harry Kane as a key player who has a lethal nature is the best signing decisions made by the German Champions. His impact suggests and contribution goes beyond individual success and it has a positive ripple effect on the team's overall performance.

Leverkusen and Bayern still have a chance to win the title. Both teams both won 3-0 in their last matches. They are 4 points apart. Munich benefits more from having Harry Kane as a striker. Kane is the top scorer in the Bundesliga with 20 goals. I think Munich is still very strong to win the title because they have Harry Kane by their side.

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December 18, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
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That is important win for Bayern to avoid a decreasing mentality after a heavy loss. This is not just redemption, because this win is not just about gaining three points but also about restoring the team's reputation and confidence. They also need a winning streak after this, if they dont want to have a decreasing mentality. Bayern need to put pressure on Bayern Leverkusen who are in high morale with the win and the lead on the standings.

The anticipation that Bayern Munich could potentially reduce the point gap to just one further emphasizes the significance of this win in the context of the ongoing title race. Having Harry Kane as a key player who has a lethal nature is the best signing decisions made by the German Champions. His impact suggests and contribution goes beyond individual success and it has a positive ripple effect on the team's overall performance.
Their opponents wasn't strong enough to adapt the high pressure coming from Bayern Munich. A team can either suffer the positive or negative impact of a coach or players, every potential manager hopes for more prominent and serious players. Bayern Munich won and accumulated another three points to close th gap difference between them and Bayer Leverkusen topping the Bundesliga table. Thomas Tuchel have grown to be the pre-eminent rival for Xabi Alonso this season, I think it's high time power changes hand because we're sick and tire of watching the Bavarians winning the scudetto.
It was definitely the weakness of the opposition that got Bayern Munich the opportunity reawakening their winning spirit, it was very much needed for them to get back on the winning ways because if they didn't they were definitely almost getting to the point where their mentality would have gradually been affected and their confidence aswell.

The series of losses Bayern Munich did suffered recently was really humiliating for a team in their caliber so they definitely needed a recharge in mind by getting a win they will help them get over such defeats. This win was really essential for them to closer the gap between them and Leverkusen, although they are still goals ahead so I think it's still an advantage they have got over Leverkusen so in the case of a tie, they can easily be the winners due to their edge and that's what Leverkusen really needs to work on els they should further accumulate points and stay ahead.

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December 18, 2023, 08:26:29 AM
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The anticipation that Bayern Munich could potentially reduce the point gap to just one further emphasizes the significance of this win in the context of the ongoing title race. Having Harry Kane as a key player who has a lethal nature is the best signing decisions made by the German Champions. His impact suggests and contribution goes beyond individual success and it has a positive ripple effect on the team's overall performance.

Leverkusen and Bayern still have a chance to win the title. Both teams both won 3-0 in their last matches. They are 4 points apart. Munich benefits more from having Harry Kane as a striker. Kane is the top scorer in the Bundesliga with 20 goals. I think Munich is still very strong to win the title because they have Harry Kane by their side.

Munich is still being favorite club to win the title by bookies. Leverkusen is very strong right now but bayern is still equal to the leverkusen. It's quite hard to determine which club that is going to win the bundesliga caused by these clubs have equal performance right now. Bayern is having kane its side while leverkusen has xabi who is able transforming the club into the new face. People are aware about how good the performance is from leverkusen right now.
This is also the main reason why are favoring leverkusen to win the europa league this season as well as liverpool. Bayern is only the biggest obstacle in the bundesliga.

Other team has no chance to compete with leverkusen but we will see that soon. The consistency of club is a very important thing to be tested started from the middle till the end of season.
I think bayern will be coming with something new. The club shall not repeat the bad result like the match against frnakfurt.

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December 18, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
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Munich is still being favorite club to win the title by bookies. Leverkusen is very strong right now but bayern is still equal to the leverkusen. It's quite hard to determine which club that is going to win the bundesliga caused by these clubs have equal performance right now. Bayern is having kane its side while leverkusen has xabi who is able transforming the club into the new face. People are aware about how good the performance is from leverkusen right now.
This is also the main reason why are favoring leverkusen to win the europa league this season as well as liverpool. Bayern is only the biggest obstacle in the bundesliga.

Other team has no chance to compete with leverkusen but we will see that soon. The consistency of club is a very important thing to be tested started from the middle till the end of season.
I think bayern will be coming with something new. The club shall not repeat the bad result like the match against frnakfurt.
This season's journey is still very long and if you look at the strength of the Bayern team, which has dominated the Bundesliga title in the last few seasons, it is very natural that they are still the favorites this season to be able to defend it.
Leverkusen does have strong strength this season but there is no guarantee that they will be consistent until the end of the season and that is different from Bayern.

However, personally I believe that the fight for the Bundesliga title this season will be different from previous seasons and Bayern's percentage of being able to defend the title will be smaller compared to previous seasons.

The victory achieved by Bayern and Leverkusen this week was not surprising even though they were both against strong teams, but they managed to prove that Bayern and Leverkusen are much stronger this season.

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December 18, 2023, 09:15:01 AM
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Just I wrong move for Bayer Leverkusen and they will surely get it, as Bayern Munich is not that behind, and those 2 goals are just that and Bayern Munich still has a chance to get the lead against Leverkusen, so for sure they still have a chance to lead but that is if Leverkusen got some mistakes along the way and this is an opportunity for Bayern Munich,

The victory against Eintracht Frankfurt certainly makes Leverkusen's position even stronger at the top of the standings. It is true that Munich still has the potential to overtake Leverkusen if they make mistakes. That's why they must be able to maintain their consistency until the end of the season. It seems that Xabi Alonso is not only good at strategy but You can also arrange player rotations appropriately so that Leverkusen always performs well in every match.

I know that it's still in the middle of the season so it's too soon to say that Leverkusen can become Bundesliga champions this season, but on the one hand everyone definitely wants a new Bundesliga champion this season and including me also hopes that Leverkusen can consistently be on the winning track until the end of the season .

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December 18, 2023, 09:22:37 AM
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Bayern Munich were ready for this match against Stuttgart at the opposite of their shameful game against Frankfurt in the previous round, while Stuttgart weren't able to get even a draw vs Bayern Munich like they did against Bayer Leverkusen previously.
Same goes for Frankfurt, they were able to beat Bayern Munich by 5 goals and failed to grab even a point from Bayer Leverkusen. Worst Leverkusen scored 3 goals in their goal without receiving any. Both Bayern Munich and Bayer Leverkusen were ready for these games.
In this round, Leipzig, Freiburg and Wolfsburg profited the most from the defeats of their close opponents and advanced by many ranks. Meanwhile a gap is being created between the last 4 teams and the others. The difference between these 4 teams is only one point! Union Berlin are lacking a game but since it is against Bayern Munich then we assume they have the same number of games played Roll Eyes

I expected that Stuttgart would be able to cause more problems for Bayern, but Bayern did not leave them a single chance in this match. Dortmund also needs to be more active in the Bundesliga, because even after the defeat, Stuttgart has a 5-point advantage over Dortmund. I doubt that it will be an acceptable result for Dortmund to finish the season below the top 4. And they will not have such a difficult schedule in the championship, so they should improve their position.

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December 18, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
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Bochum scored important 3 points in the game against Union Berlin. The trend from Union Berlin had been slightly upwards after they won against Gladbach. But now they have come back down to earth.
Bochum are now 6 points in front of place 16 and will not remain on a relegation place during the winter break. Especially in view of the game against Leverkusen an important step.
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December 18, 2023, 10:38:47 AM
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After a break of two weeks Leverkusen are continuing to win. Even on those weeks they got draws so they are still unbeaten since the beginning of the season. Even Bayern Munich lost once so far. This shows how amazing job Xabi Alonso and his players have been doing until this point.  Smiley  This time they destroyed Frankfurt by 3-0.

Boniface's finish on the first goal was really lovely. Leverkusen were very dominant in this game. They didn't let Frankfurt do much against themselves. I mean this is the same Frankfurt that demolished Bayern Munich by 5-1 on the previous week.  Grin

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December 18, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
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Bayern Munic win tonight is good and very important for the team so they keep hope of the title alive. The win will also help them redeem their image from the embarrassing humiliation they suffered in the hands of Eintracht Frankfurt. I can feel Bayern Leverkusen already shivering seeing Bayern closing in on them. Bayern is expected to win their outstanding match to reduce the point gap between them and Leverkusen to just one.  Tonight is another proof that Harry Kane is still lethal as always and his signing should be celebrated as one of the best decision of the German Champions. 
A significant difference occurred from the performance in yesterday's match. Even though we know that VFB also at the beginning of the season until now is still playing very well, but in the end Bayern is still Bayern with far greater strength than VFB, which is indeed different in terms of strength.
Absolute victory at the same time provides a distance in terms of points which makes VFB slowly drop from its position because Leipzig managed to get 3 points which made VFB must be willing to give up its 3rd position.

In another match Leverkusen also managed to get 3 points after bulldozing Frankfurt with the same score. Its  getting interesting now because it looks like Leverkusen still hasnt let the top position be taken over but im still pretty sure Bayern will slowly continue to look for opportunities especially with Kane who is currently continuing to play well even though he is only  in his first season in the Bundesliga but his performance has been very good. 

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December 18, 2023, 11:02:28 AM
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After a break of two weeks Leverkusen are continuing to win. Even on those weeks they got draws so they are still unbeaten since the beginning of the season. Even Bayern Munich lost once so far. This shows how amazing job Xabi Alonso and his players have been doing until this point.  Smiley  This time they destroyed Frankfurt by 3-0.

Boniface's finish on the first goal was really lovely. Leverkusen were very dominant in this game. They didn't let Frankfurt do much against themselves. I mean this is the same Frankfurt that demolished Bayern Munich by 5-1 on the previous week.  Grin
This is really football for you and that's what makes the game of football interesting. This level of competitiveness we need in the Bundesliga. What we are seeing in the league this season is really spectacular, gone are those days where the outcome of a game is already known before it's been played.

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