Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)

[knight22]

Laugh all you like, I would like to contribute to Bitcoin unlimited if I can. We need more alternative implementations for people to choose from. Bitcoin unlimited aligns better with my beliefs then Core presently does.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/#post-2903

Bitcoin Unlimited is a bunch of fluff who will never see the light of the day. Good luck with that.

I’m willing to bet that Bitcoin Unlimited will see the light much sooner than Lightning network.

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[iCEBREAKER]

Subverting Bitcoin's revolutionary potential into yet another consumer payment rail is *EXACTLY* what the BIS shitlords should do, if they seek to preserve their exorbitant money printing privileges.

And Mike_Heam@sigint.google.mil is only too happy to help.

As if on cue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/

Shitlords gotta shitlord.

Did I call that or what?

[marcus_of_augustus]

More ad hominem from the usual suspects. I do not care who writes the code, what matters is what is in the code itself. Even if the code was written by the devil himself or any other monster from the annals of history, I would still support it, because the code that is within BIP101 does represent the best path for Bitcoin going into the future, compared to the alternatives.

It's verifiable facts. Your understanding of fallacies is that of a 14 year-old.

I am saying that I do not care about who writes the code and what kind of a person they are or even what their motivations might be, it should not be a popularity contest. This is my opinion and the verifiable facts do not change this whatsoever.

Hearn's code is crap too ... so you are on our page.

[iCEBREAKER]

Laugh all you like, I would like to contribute to Bitcoin unlimited if I can. We need more alternative implementations for people to choose from. Bitcoin unlimited aligns better with my beliefs then Core presently does.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/#post-2903

Bitcoin Unlimited is a bunch of fluff who will never see the light of the day. Good luck with that.

They can't even decide whether or not Bitcoin Unlimited (LOL) should keep the 21e6 coin limit.

Their failed altcoin project is no more Bitcoin than Bitcoin Dark is.

Can't complain about the epic laughs tho.    

[VeritasSapere]

More ad hominem from the usual suspects. I do not care who writes the code, what matters is what is in the code itself. Even if the code was written by the devil himself or any other monster from the annals of history, I would still support it, because the code that is within BIP101 does represent the best path for Bitcoin going into the future, compared to the alternatives.

It's verifiable facts. Your understanding of fallacies is that of a 14 year-old.

I am saying that I do not care about who writes the code and what kind of a person they are or even what their motivations might be, it should not be a popularity contest. This is my opinion and the verifiable facts do not change this whatsoever.

Hearn's code is crap too ... so you are on our page.

BIP101 was written by Gavin Andresen, BIP101 is the only aspect of XT that is consensus critical, the rest is optional.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Mike H. RageQuits Bitcoin ... bye Mike, don't let the door hit your ass on the way pout.

Said this was coming a month back, egos gonna ego.

[Zarathustra]

Nothing to see here. The cheerleaders of the Judean peoples Front National still believe to represent Bitcoin. Unbelievable.
Even in the censored subreddit Mike gets the most upvotes.

[iCEBREAKER]

Mike H. RageQuits Bitcoin ... bye Mike, don't let the door hit your ass on the way pout.

Said this was coming a month back, egos gonna ego.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Nothing to see here. The cheerleaders of the Judean Front National still believe to represent Bitcoin. Unbelievable.
Even in the censored subreddit Mike gets the most upvotes.

... sounds like you're another footsoldier for BankCoin, report to Hearn for duties.

[Zarathustra]

Nothing to see here. The cheerleaders of the Judean Front National still believe to represent Bitcoin. Unbelievable.
Even in the censored subreddit Mike gets the most upvotes.

... sounds like you're another footsoldier for BankCoin, report to Hearn for duties.

BS. A BankCoin is no competition to a permissionless p2p coin.

[brg444]

Nothing to see here. The cheerleaders of the Judean Front National still believe to represent Bitcoin. Unbelievable.
Even in the censored subreddit Mike gets the most upvotes.

... sounds like you're another footsoldier for BankCoin, report to Hearn for duties.

BS. A BankCoin is no competition to a permissionless p2p coin.

Tell that to Mike, he's given up on Bitcoin already.

[Zarathustra]

Nothing to see here. The cheerleaders of the Judean Front National still believe to represent Bitcoin. Unbelievable.
Even in the censored subreddit Mike gets the most upvotes.

... sounds like you're another footsoldier for BankCoin, report to Hearn for duties.

BS. A BankCoin is no competition to a permissionless p2p coin.

Tell that to Mike, he's given up on Bitcoin already.

No.

[danielW]

And now Mike Hearn joins the bankers at REC3V and their blockchains.

"Conflict of interest" anyone?

If he can't get his way, and he won't, he will become a "blockchain technologies" person and try attacking Bitcoin from the outside instead of the inside. Pushing for making non-policeable cryptos illegal will be on his agenda sooner or later.

lol go look up his proof of passport scheme he was trying to push on miners. Basically miners wouldn't produce valid blocks unless they had a valid passport for govt agencies to see who is mining.

I'm aware, and the redlisting "idea". His ideas often go in these directions, including his node prioritization schemes used in XT.

But if he seems he's hit a wall in his undermining of Bitcoin's decentralisation and censorship-resistance from within development, then he will try from the outside. I think it's a matter of time. Gavin already joined the "alliance" and is actively working in the policing of Bitcoin. Talk about conflict of interest.

More ad hominem from the usual suspects. I do not care who writes the code, what matters is what is in the code itself. Even if the code was written by the devil himself or any other monster from the annals of history, I would still support it, because the code that is within BIP101 does represent the best path for Bitcoin going into the future, compared to the alternatives.

Sorry, it is important because if XT would succeed Gavin and Hearn would be the most powerful people in Bitcoin. Xt 101 is not just about code its also about change of leadership. We have to analyse the leaders.

[HostFat]

Many are missing that Bitcoin can be useful to many people and entities while it is decentralized.

So it can even be useful also to banks.

There is just one entity on the entire Bitcoin system that gains from its current centralisation.

Currently the worst attack that can happen (and maybe it's already happening) against Bitcoin, it just choosing to not using it and using something else.

[brg444]

Many are missing that Bitcoin can be useful to many people and entities while it is decentralized.

So it can even be useful also to banks.

There is just one entity on the entire Bitcoin system that gains from its current centralisation.

consensus is the new centralization.

the Bitcoin community is united in getting rid of deception artists like Mike Hearn and so far this block size debate has proved successful in purging the most toxic actors out of this ecosystem.

what a fantastic time to be alive, don't you think 

[muyuu]

Whoa when I predicted Mike to jump from Bitcoin into bankster "blockchain technologies" to attack it from outside, I didn't expect it to be within a few hours of saying it.

[danielW]

Whoa when I predicted Mike to jump from Bitcoin into bankster "blockchain technologies" to attack it from outside, I didn't expect it to be within a few hours of saying it.

The funny thing is when he talks about centralisation due to lightning or blockstream, when its so transparent that he does not really care. He just uses the arguments to further his agenda.

The person who proposes blacklists, passports and works for banks suddenly cares so much about decentralisation (as it happens when it suits his argument).



I am still to understand how switching from many core developers working in consensus (and mike thinks core needs to be gone) ...

is more centralised ...

then him or Gavin backed by Coinbase as benevolent dictators of the main reference client.

Whuut?? Can somebody explain this??


Sure its not about Mike gaining power for himself, its just about decentralisation of development ... by having it under him  .

[brg444]

This whole comment of Gmax laying the beats on Mike deserves its own post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3t21dh/dangerous_homebrew_cryptography_in_blockstream/cx586r1

In your post you appear to be blaming other people for the failure gain adoption for the Bitcoin XT agenda. Success or lack thereof on this matter is your responsibility not anyone else. You've already gone way over the top on the deceptive and hostile rhetoric, making low and outright misleading arguments, constant appeals to the press after almost universally the technical community analyzed and rejected your extreme positions, all to little effect-- while for the most part we've just quietly endured the defamation and insults. Against dozens of press articles and blog posts you've written attacking me, the developers of Bitcoin core, the many people at my company, etc.-- you will find nothing like that from me (just some arguments with you 1:1 in Reddit threads and mailing lists). You are not going to bludgeon or badger people into performing changes they believe are harmful in their own software; not by yourself and not through any number of violent threat-issuing sockmasters that your passionate blog posts reliably stir up. You are already free to copy changes made to Bitcoin Core, please stop acting like that gives you license to dictate what goes into it and how we spend our time. At this point I don't think anything more productive than this can be said: If you don't like it, then I beg of you please don't use it just as you have been insisting to others that they shouldn't.

[danielW]

This whole comment of Gmax laying the beats on Mike deserves its own post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3t21dh/dangerous_homebrew_cryptography_in_blockstream/cx586r1

In your post you appear to be blaming other people for the failure gain adoption for the Bitcoin XT agenda. Success or lack thereof on this matter is your responsibility not anyone else. You've already gone way over the top on the deceptive and hostile rhetoric, making low and outright misleading arguments, constant appeals to the press after almost universally the technical community analyzed and rejected your extreme positions, all to little effect-- while for the most part we've just quietly endured the defamation and insults. Against dozens of press articles and blog posts you've written attacking me, the developers of Bitcoin core, the many people at my company, etc.-- you will find nothing like that from me (just some arguments with you 1:1 in Reddit threads and mailing lists). You are not going to bludgeon or badger people into performing changes they believe are harmful in their own software; not by yourself and not through any number of violent threat-issuing sockmasters that your passionate blog posts reliably stir up. You are already free to copy changes made to Bitcoin Core, please stop acting like that gives you license to dictate what goes into it and how we spend our time. At this point I don't think anything more productive than this can be said: If you don't like it, then I beg of you please don't use it just as you have been insisting to others that they shouldn't.

That was utter destruction of Mike by Greg, in that whole exchange.


Mike continues  the dishonest lie (one of many) that forking core or alternative implementations are criticised, when its only forking the blockchain that is criticised.

[iCEBREAKER]

That was utter destruction of Mike by Greg, in that whole exchange.

GMAX is back, and boy is he pissed!

*epic pwnage ensues*

nullc

You're free to have your own repository-- and you do in fact; you should try working on it instead of telling other people what to do in their own repositories for a change. I don't have to like what you do, and I can stridently recommend people not run it-- as is always the case; but you remain free to work on whatever you like and think is most important (and even benefit from my work too). Too bad you don't seem to respect that by the same token others do not have to do what you want.

Ha, gmax just told Mikey to go shitcode on his XT shitrepo, and stop pestering the important people at the adult table.