Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)

[brg444]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

speaking of it looks like the self-proclaimed exiles are back en masse. 

i see names like rocks, Adrian-x popping up in threads like nothing had ever happened

knight22 is making pump threads in Speculation forum when 3 weeks ago he was proclaiming Bitcoin dead because block size

only waiting for Lebron James' decision now 

[VeritasSapere]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

I agree with you RoadTrain, I am using the term ad hominem in the more loose sense, as opposed to a more formal logical argument.

I certainly do not agree with hdbuck however, censorship is not a term that is being used to loosely today. The trend of censorship in the Bitcoin community has been concerning, at least the response from most people has been reassuring. I think that most of us here do believe in freedom and that through Bitcoin we can pursue and obtain more of that state, whatever that means.

[hdbuck]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

I agree with you RoadTrain, I am using the term ad hominem in the more loose sense, as opposed to a more formal logical argument.

I certainly do not agree with hdbuck however, censorship is not a term that is being used to loosely today. The trend of censorship in the Bitcoin community has been concerning, at least the response from most people has been reassuring. I think that most of us here do believe in freedom and that through Bitcoin we can pursue and obtain more of that state, whatever that means.

such a vague person we got here..

using wide definitions, loosening the meaning of whatever concept you could put your twisted little historian/philospher/whatever soclialst mind onto.

the cherry on the cake being it also appears you dont know what freedom means now.. pity.

[brg444]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

I certainly do not agree with hdbuck however, censorship is not a term that is being used to loosely today. The trend of censorship in the Bitcoin community has been concerning, at least the response from most people has been reassuring. I think that most of us here do believe in freedom and that through Bitcoin we can pursue and obtain more of that state, whatever that means.

TL;DR

[hdbuck]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

speaking of it looks like the self-proclaimed exiles are back en masse.  

i see names like rocks, Adrian-x popping up in threads like nothing had ever happened

knight22 is making pump threads in Speculation forum when 3 weeks ago he was proclaiming Bitcoin dead because block size

only waiting for Lebron James' decision now  

funny how they all crawl back once bitcoin price surge.

if it was not for mickey's ultimate butthurt post, i'd say the XTards MO is to spread fud when bitcoin is doing well, escaping their toxic behavior and discourses..

[VeritasSapere]

I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.

Strictly speaking, it's irrelevant, as these offensive words do not render the arguments he presented invalid. That's why I asked if these 6 points (actual arguments/statements) contained fallacies.

I think the ad hominem term is used too loosely these days, and is being applied where it really shouldn't be.

as it goes with cens0rshiiiiip ^^

I agree with you RoadTrain, I am using the term ad hominem in the more loose sense, as opposed to a more formal logical argument.

I certainly do not agree with hdbuck however, censorship is not a term that is being used to loosely today. The trend of censorship in the Bitcoin community has been concerning, at least the response from most people has been reassuring. I think that most of us here do believe in freedom and that through Bitcoin we can pursue and obtain more of that state, whatever that means.

such a vague person we got here..

using wide definitions, loosening the meaning of whatever concept you could put your twisted little historian/philospher/whatever soclialst mind onto.

the cherry on the cake being it also appears you dont know what freedom means now.. pity.

I can give you definitions of freedom if you like, freedom is in the mind, once you start to explore the concept it can become more complex. It can also mean different things to different people.

Price is going up, I wish peace and prosperity to all.

[Zarathustra]

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

https://medium.com/@riprowan/the-entire-debate-transcends-block-sizes-and-gets-to-the-fundamental-principles-of-bitcoin-as-c7f7bc1a493#.qj0wwps11

[hdbuck]

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

https://medium.com/@riprowan/the-entire-debate-transcends-block-sizes-and-gets-to-the-fundamental-principles-of-bitcoin-as-c7f7bc1a493#.qj0wwps11

lel wake up princess.

core devs *are* powerless.

bitcoin has spread too much to have any viable consensus about anything that changes its fundamentals.





otoh hearndresen are just irrelevant.

[muyuu]

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

If you mean Hearn and his one-guy-in-charge-and-not-even-a-competent-one model, then yeah I agree.

[Zarathustra]

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

If you mean Hearn and his one-guy-in-charge-and-not-even-a-competent-one model, then yeah I agree.

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

[sgbett]

Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

[hdbuck]

Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

in real world, Core rulez, XTards butthurt.

in real world, and more precisely *now*, bitcoin is acknowledging it by going up, regardless of blocksize sterile projections and the monster fud you wannabes spread for months.

[Zarathustra]

Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

in real world, and more precisely *now*, bitcoin is acknowledging it by going up,

Bitcoin is going up since there is choice, which means that the totalitarian, centralist corporatist dev situation is history.
As soon as txs numbers explode, core will implode.

[Carlton Banks]

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

Bitcoin is going up since there is choice, which means that the totalitarian, centralist corporatist dev situation is history.
As soon as txs numbers explode, core will implode.

So, the Goldman Sachs funded corporations (Circle etc) that were pushing for XT are some kind of diplomatic-cable-leaking cypherpunks? Please. No-one believes your nonsense.



Once version 0.12 of the core client is released, the steps to get Lightning hubs running can begin. The solutions are on the table, we understand the technical reasons for that approach, and XT/BIP101 cannot compete on all levels now, possibly including even rollout timeframe that Hearn and Andresen thought they could take for granted.

There's your free market: the free market of superior software design, freely chosen by an informed userbase who have demonstrably rejected XT, BIP101 and the rest of Hearn's terrible ideas countless times. We're going to keep rejecting them, because the ideas are not getting any better upon further examination; on the contrary, they appear progressively worse the more time you have to think about it.

[Zarathustra]

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

[MbccompanyX]

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

*cough* somebody here is forgetting the mess that started in china exactly when the new increase of price happened *cough* and still is incredible how many still insist on following dreams that could put some blocks for new bitcoin users in the future because not everybody could like to use a web wallet and will download the windows/mac/linux (even if i hate to make mac and linux two different voices because they are the same thing) and of course the increasing in size blockchain that thanks to big blocks will ask in the future an entire hard disk dedicated to it

[brg444]

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

Consult a professional, you've turned full retard.

Funny thing is price started launching up after Blockstream's Liquid announcement 

[brg444]

It's more likely not a soul in the Bitcoin Chinese world knows about XT 

[MbccompanyX]

It's more likely not a soul in the Bitcoin Chinese world knows about XT 

Yeah because otherwise the fork could already happen or maybe because they knows what is a fake and what is real they decided to stay to what is real and leave the fake die

[VeritasSapere]

Maybe it would be wiser to acknowledge that the price has nothing to do with the blocksize debate.

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.