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February 01, 2016, 01:11:13 AM
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exp would really shine now if there was a rise

Agree. Only time and good development will tell if Expanse will succeed or not. By the looks of it, EXP has a great dev team and community which will make it survive for long term. Usability is what makes it important to become successful, I think.  Cheesy

Say, does anybody know how could I find more nodes for EXP? I am only getting 4 peers by writing the admin.peers command, but I'd bet that there are more. If so, where could I find them and how to add them into Gexp?  Huh

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February 01, 2016, 07:52:51 AM
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exp would really shine now if there was a rise

There is no doubt EXP will be a success. Developer team is solid and emission model was very well planed.
I know Christopher don't position EXP as ETH competition, but seriously ETH should be worried a bit.
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February 01, 2016, 08:40:12 PM
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Fun time coming or what Smiley
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February 01, 2016, 11:45:24 PM
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http://blog.expanse.tech

Expanse 2016 Roadmap

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February 02, 2016, 12:53:26 AM
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http://blog.expanse.tech

Expanse 2016 Roadmap

woooot gratz Smiley

Nice video also  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFzA7w7FScc
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February 02, 2016, 07:55:17 AM
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Roadmap very clean and precise i like it.

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February 02, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
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http://blog.expanse.tech

Expanse 2016 Roadmap

The roadmap looks great! Everything is detailed and shows the important stuff that will happen with EXP. I am still keeping an eye on it, since right now prices are cheap (considering it is still undervalued) but makes it a better choice than ETH. A pretty good feature that I am willing it to become a success is Borderless.tech  Smiley

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February 02, 2016, 01:23:40 PM
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And the vid takes you to http://www.borderless.tech/ , another Franko production

"Borderless.tech is a coalition of globally accessible governance services forged out of smart contracts that live on the Expanse blockchain."


All this blue sky vision and helicopter thinking is well and good until money gets involved.
My question is what the hell's the diff between Expanse and Ethereum and why didnt Franko just contribute to Ethereum?

What are you guys doing? Is it some greater vision or just the venal pursuit of cash?





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And the vid takes you to http://www.borderless.tech/ , another Franko production


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"Borderless.tech is a coalition of globally accessible governance services forged out of smart contracts that live on the Expanse blockchain."[/i]

Borderless.tech is to expanse what consensys is to ethereum, but unlike consensys we are just solving different problems.

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All this blue sky vision and helicopter thinking is well and good until money gets involved.

Not real sure what you mean. Money is always involved.

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My question is what the hell's the diff between Expanse and Ethereum and why didnt Franko just contribute to Ethereum?

Expanse is an alternative public ethereum network. Sort of like how R3 is using an alternative private network. People tend to think its an either or situation which is farther from the truth. Its a use both type of situation. The eth devs are solving entirely diff problems than the exp devs. At expanse we have the luxury to buildings things WITH the platform, vs building the platform. There is value in that. However, the reason I didnt use ethereum, like r3 and others didnt use ethereum is, there is more freedom in building on a separate chain. Although I normally agree with the direction of ethereum there may come a time where we as the community don't and if we are joined at the hip with eth by say, us using their network its not an easy migration. With that being said, we can leverage both networks.

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What are you guys doing? Is it some greater vision or just the venal pursuit of cash?

There is always a greater vision.






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February 02, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
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What are you guys doing? Is it some greater vision or just the venal pursuit of cash?
There is always a greater vision.

And always the other one too.

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Money is always involved.

As you say.

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At expanse we have the luxury to buildings things WITH the platform, vs building the platform. There is value in that. However, the reason I didnt use ethereum, like r3 and others didnt use ethereum is, there is more freedom in building on a separate chain.

An ethereum developer has the luxury of building things WITH the platform, vs building the platform.
Could you provide an example of the extra freedom from building on a separate, yet identical*, chain? I suppose EXP gas is cheaper but most ETH devs would presumably run on a free testnet before going on the mainnet anyway.

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The eth devs are solving entirely diff problems than the exp devs.

As you say they're building a platform and you are creating dapps and solutions which could have run on it.

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Borderless.tech is to expanse what consensys is to ethereum

Expanse is a Consensys.

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but unlike consensys we are just solving different problems.

OK

I give you props. I threw down the glove and you met the challenge.
Although I remain unswayed I admire your chutzpah. I could argue if you really wanted to change the world you'd use Ethereum, a much more popular platform. However if you believe doing so on Expanse is the way to go then that's entirely your prerogative. And if Ethereum starts going off the rails…

Blue-sky vision and helicopter-thinking

*not identical - iirc you have slower blocktimes (not sure why though)



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February 02, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
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nice roadmap here i think its a good coin, but its months away before we see anything so il invest closer to something real. good luck
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February 02, 2016, 08:34:36 PM
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nice roadmap here i think its a good coin, but its months away before we see anything so il invest closer to something real. good luck

closer to "something real" there will be not much coins left to buy...
There is lot of hoarders right now, including me.
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February 02, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
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So..are Expanse and Borderless both created by Franko?
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And always the other one too.

I have a high paying full time job so the greater purpose is higher on the priority list than the monetary incentive.


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An ethereum developer has the luxury of building things WITH the platform, vs building the platform.
Could you provide an example of the extra freedom from building on a separate, yet identical*, chain?

Yes two examples. One is the blocktime you brought up. I chose to slow down the blocktime to lower the orphan rate, making mining more efficient. Vitalik argued in the ethereum gitter that it was stupid and that it didnt matter if mining was inefficient that "ghost" solved the "problem". He is right that ghost makes the problem less of a problem but the problem is, blocks take time to propagate and ghost doesnt magically dilate time. The more time blocks get to propagate the less of a chance they are going to be orphaned. The less orphans, the greater chance a miner will get paid for the work they are doing.

Something we could have done was just increase the uncle limit, however then we are introducing more blockchain bloat.

Expanse also has a higher gas limit so we can create Dapps that do a little more. With the higher gas limit, the apps are doing more, we would need a little more time to make sure everything goes smoothly.

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I suppose EXP gas is cheaper but most ETH devs would presumably run on a free testnet before going on the mainnet anyway.

Some do, some dont, Ethereum go devs made it very easy to create private networks with GETH. The higher up projects like R3 most likely wont use the ethereum mainnet for the same reason im not, they need the freedom to evolve if need be.

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As you say they're building a platform and you are creating dapps and solutions which could have run on it.

They could run on both you are right and we will most likely be leveraging both.

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Borderless.tech is to expanse what consensys is to ethereum

I give you props. I threw down the glove and you met the challenge.
Although I remain unswayed I admire your chutzpah. I could argue if you really wanted to change the world you'd use Ethereum, a much more popular platform. However if you believe doing so on Expanse is the way to go then that's entirely your prerogative. And if Ethereum starts going off the rails…

Blue-sky vision and helicopter-thinking

*not identical - iirc you have slower blocktimes (not sure why though)

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February 03, 2016, 01:04:52 AM
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nice roadmap here i think its a good coin, but its months away before we see anything so il invest closer to something real. good luck

closer to "something real" there will be not much coins left to buy...
There is lot of hoarders right now, including me.

we have months n premine to deal with
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February 03, 2016, 07:53:23 AM
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You don`t have months as us hoarders are mining it and buying at the same time Smiley

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February 03, 2016, 09:32:34 AM
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Like DelBoy have said before this time next year i would be milioner because of EXP Smiley

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February 04, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
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Seems like the 2016 roadmap release didnt affect value much. Heavy selling in poloniex and value almost back to below 10k.
Is there any plans to gain more visibility? Seems like people dont know or just dont pay attention to expanse
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February 04, 2016, 04:45:51 PM
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Seems like the 2016 roadmap release didnt affect value much. Heavy selling in poloniex and value almost back to below 10k.
Is there any plans to gain more visibility? Seems like people dont know or just dont pay attention to expanse

The value does not increase because there is a huge investment behind as eth
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Seems like the 2016 roadmap release didnt affect value much. Heavy selling in poloniex and value almost back to below 10k.
Is there any plans to gain more visibility? Seems like people dont know or just dont pay attention to expanse

The value does not increase because there is a huge investment behind as eth

What do you mean? I dont quite understand..
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