[ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard)

[makishart]

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

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[randywald]

I'm interested in the new diff changing algo. Any news? How can it be improved?

[Portabello75]

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

"When the price goes up, everybody is happy." When was that again? 99% ago? Mining right now is a HUGE loss unless you have free power and hardware. No sane person can motivate mining and price drops every day. Soon we will have 25% more coins on the market for a LONG time from a dev fun that is 10x larger than it should be (more like 20x but I'm being generous).

Sooner or later, Dev will smarten up and realize the 11 MILLION premine is killing the coin, but by then it will likely be too late and people will be screaming SCAM when price skyrockets when they are burned so.. Yeah, I don't predict this one surviving any longer than Franko (yeah, Franko is technically alive.. but who's interested? Value like a ham sandwich)

[Portabello75]

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

How are you mining at a profit at current price? (Not saying you aren't but it seems impossible)

[fartbags]

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

"When the price goes up, everybody is happy." When was that again? 99% ago? Mining right now is a HUGE loss unless you have free power and hardware. No sane person can motivate mining and price drops every day. Soon we will have 25% more coins on the market for a LONG time from a dev fun that is 10x larger than it should be (more like 20x but I'm being generous).

Sooner or later, Dev will smarten up and realize the 11 MILLION premine is killing the coin, but by then it will likely be too late and people will be screaming SCAM when price skyrockets when they are burned so.. Yeah, I don't predict this one surviving any longer than Franko (yeah, Franko is technically alive.. but who's interested? Value like a ham sandwich)

The premine is the only good thing about this coin. You don't understand because you are a Newbie account. The problem was people went crazy and valued this coin at something like 6 million dollars. The $EXP team didn't sign contracts with developers at those high prices though. Now they are screwed and any developer with skills will probably just create a new Ethereum clone instead of being part of this DAO.

Once PoS is out, then this coin will be amazing.

[CryptoClub]

It doesn't matter.. price will adjust. For 100 satoshi the premine is cool.

Also premine has nothing to do with decetralization.

It is supposed that you don't need trust when it comes to cryptocurency and blockchain.

When you add trust you add scam. Sooner or later.. Same think with goverments, banks and religion. Good luck to believers

That's sort of my point exactly. The 11 million coins are just a giant value destroyer and we can't trust that they go to any project of value. It would be ok if the dev fund was reasonable but with a few hundred thousand coins in existence and 90%+ premined in a 'fund' it's just not even worth paying attention to this project anymore.

I mean common, EXP is down 99% since it started trading with 395,193 mined and 11 million in a 'dapp fund' that can and likely will dilute the market 25% on a weekly basis. The market has spoken, and it absolutely amazing that the devs don't listen.

I find it sad, cause I do believe the devs are competent. Just apparently don't care about preserving any value in the project, or having anyone mine (mining Hash power is down something like 80% in 3 weeks)

What is obvious to me is that some group manipulated the market early on. Some "Mrpump" guy came in here and claimed it was his group or some whales connected to him. This created a very high starting price and a problem for us as that had to correct, and of course some will blame the devs when we had absolutely nothing to do with that, other than working on the project that some saw they could use to manipulate the price with. I had no idea that was the situation until someone literally came into this thread and said it was. The positive is that they saw value and this is long term project, and in my personal opinion at least, will have much more value in the future, the negative is that they created a situation where the price was too high at the start. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and this is also why there were so many miners early on, but we still have plenty mining EXP now.

You are incorrect that the DAO fund will dilute the market like that, 1/220th of the DAO was used to cover some initial expenses, and pay the one bounty we owed for the branding/logo. We do have a large reserve for the DAO that will be released with smart contracts and with in wallet voting, but that won't happen for some time, and when it does it will be capped to a maximum of 1% per month, or .33% per core for a total of 1%. Smart contracts mean it will not be possible for any 25% market dilution, and if we were dishonest, obviously we would have sold more than 1/220th off, and anyone that thinks logically about this can see this is the truth. Sure, we could burn much of the DAO off and some would like that, and it would be great short term, and if there is a way for POS interest to fund the project with a smaller reserve this isn't out of the question later.

As we are doing some custom solutions they are taking more time, but we believe they will provide something unique rather than just cloning the same basic GUI wallet, or cloning the same basic block explorer. We have been in cryptos and very public for many years. We are not going anywhere and we have lots of connections in the world of cryptos. Once we add enough value in, I think people are likely to realize the project is severely underpriced, and then I think we will gain more attention. One of our core devs is a Dapp dev, we have tens of thousands of real followers between us on Social media, and we have time to work on the project and incentive to build it. We definitely care about preserving value, but not faking it, so whatever the market determines is just fine and we can build it up from there. As for hashing power, that will change as profitability changes, and if/when the profit goes up, more miners will surely mine more. Although we have plenty of hashing power to support the network just fine now.

[Zywiec]

It doesn't matter.. price will adjust. For 100 satoshi the premine is cool.

Also premine has nothing to do with decetralization.

It is supposed that you don't need trust when it comes to cryptocurency and blockchain.

When you add trust you add scam. Sooner or later.. Same think with goverments, banks and religion. Good luck to believers

That's sort of my point exactly. The 11 million coins are just a giant value destroyer and we can't trust that they go to any project of value. It would be ok if the dev fund was reasonable but with a few hundred thousand coins in existence and 90%+ premined in a 'fund' it's just not even worth paying attention to this project anymore.

I mean common, EXP is down 99% since it started trading with 395,193 mined and 11 million in a 'dapp fund' that can and likely will dilute the market 25% on a weekly basis. The market has spoken, and it absolutely amazing that the devs don't listen.

I find it sad, cause I do believe the devs are competent. Just apparently don't care about preserving any value in the project, or having anyone mine (mining Hash power is down something like 80% in 3 weeks)

What is obvious to me is that some group manipulated the market early on. Some "Mrpump" guy came in here and claimed it was his group or some whales connected to him. This created a very high starting price and a problem for us as that had to correct, and of course some will blame the devs when we had absolutely nothing to do with that, other than working on the project that some saw they could use to manipulate the price with. I had no idea that was the situation until someone literally came into this thread and said it was. The positive is that they saw value and this is long term project, and in my personal opinion at least, will have much more value in the future, the negative is that they created a situation where the price was too high at the start. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and this is also why there were so many miners early on, but we still have plenty mining EXP now.

You are incorrect that the DAO fund will dilute the market like that, 1/220th of the DAO was used to cover some initial expenses, and pay the one bounty we owed for the branding/logo. We do have a large reserve for the DAO that will be released with smart contracts and with in wallet voting, but that won't happen for some time, and when it does it will be capped to a maximum of 1% per month, or .33% per core for a total of 1%. Smart contracts mean it will not be possible for any 25% market dilution, and if we were dishonest, obviously we would have sold more than 1/220th off, and anyone that thinks logically about this can see this is the truth. Sure, we could burn much of the DAO off and some would like that, and it would be great short term, and if there is a way for POS interest to fund the project with a smaller reserve this isn't out of the question later.

As we are doing some custom solutions they are taking more time, but we believe they will provide something unique rather than just cloning the same basic GUI wallet, or cloning the same basic block explorer. We have been in cryptos and very public for many years. We are not going anywhere and we have lots of connections in the world of cryptos. Once we add enough value in, I think people are likely to realize the project is severely underpriced, and then I think we will gain more attention. One of our core devs is a Dapp dev, we have tens of thousands of real followers between us on Social media, and we have time to work on the project and incentive to build it. We definitely care about preserving value, but not faking it, so whatever the market determines is just fine and we can build it up from there. As for hashing power, that will change as profitability changes, and if/when the profit goes up, more miners will surely mine more. Although we have plenty of hashing power to support the network just fine now.

As experienced DevTeam you should figure out that something unusual was happened. Just sort of responsible  you owe to community. I am not angry and do not blame anyone. But in fact this kind of situation produce negative feelings related to cryptocurrencies.  Unfortunately - one more time.

[defaced]

What unusual happened and what do we owe the community? Nothing was hidden, everything was and is completely up front and transparent. What more can anyone ask for really? We arn't going to burn the reserve, that renders the entire DAO experiment useless. For what? Why would we end the experiment before its even completely started?

[CryptoClub]

It doesn't matter.. price will adjust. For 100 satoshi the premine is cool.

Also premine has nothing to do with decetralization.

It is supposed that you don't need trust when it comes to cryptocurency and blockchain.

When you add trust you add scam. Sooner or later.. Same think with goverments, banks and religion. Good luck to believers

That's sort of my point exactly. The 11 million coins are just a giant value destroyer and we can't trust that they go to any project of value. It would be ok if the dev fund was reasonable but with a few hundred thousand coins in existence and 90%+ premined in a 'fund' it's just not even worth paying attention to this project anymore.

I mean common, EXP is down 99% since it started trading with 395,193 mined and 11 million in a 'dapp fund' that can and likely will dilute the market 25% on a weekly basis. The market has spoken, and it absolutely amazing that the devs don't listen.

I find it sad, cause I do believe the devs are competent. Just apparently don't care about preserving any value in the project, or having anyone mine (mining Hash power is down something like 80% in 3 weeks)

What is obvious to me is that some group manipulated the market early on. Some "Mrpump" guy came in here and claimed it was his group or some whales connected to him. This created a very high starting price and a problem for us as that had to correct, and of course some will blame the devs when we had absolutely nothing to do with that, other than working on the project that some saw they could use to manipulate the price with. I had no idea that was the situation until someone literally came into this thread and said it was. The positive is that they saw value and this is long term project, and in my personal opinion at least, will have much more value in the future, the negative is that they created a situation where the price was too high at the start. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and this is also why there were so many miners early on, but we still have plenty mining EXP now.

You are incorrect that the DAO fund will dilute the market like that, 1/220th of the DAO was used to cover some initial expenses, and pay the one bounty we owed for the branding/logo. We do have a large reserve for the DAO that will be released with smart contracts and with in wallet voting, but that won't happen for some time, and when it does it will be capped to a maximum of 1% per month, or .33% per core for a total of 1%. Smart contracts mean it will not be possible for any 25% market dilution, and if we were dishonest, obviously we would have sold more than 1/220th off, and anyone that thinks logically about this can see this is the truth. Sure, we could burn much of the DAO off and some would like that, and it would be great short term, and if there is a way for POS interest to fund the project with a smaller reserve this isn't out of the question later.

As we are doing some custom solutions they are taking more time, but we believe they will provide something unique rather than just cloning the same basic GUI wallet, or cloning the same basic block explorer. We have been in cryptos and very public for many years. We are not going anywhere and we have lots of connections in the world of cryptos. Once we add enough value in, I think people are likely to realize the project is severely underpriced, and then I think we will gain more attention. One of our core devs is a Dapp dev, we have tens of thousands of real followers between us on Social media, and we have time to work on the project and incentive to build it. We definitely care about preserving value, but not faking it, so whatever the market determines is just fine and we can build it up from there. As for hashing power, that will change as profitability changes, and if/when the profit goes up, more miners will surely mine more. Although we have plenty of hashing power to support the network just fine now.

As experienced DevTeam you should figure out that something unusual was happened. Just sort of responsible  you owe to community. I am not angry and do not blame anyone. But in fact this kind of situation produce negative feelings related to cryptocurrencies.  Unfortunately - one more time.

I think you misunderstand, nothing unusual has happened whatsoever. This is normally what happens with new coins and platforms if they have any perceived value. Love or hate it, people will trade and take their profits, or losses, and be happy or sad accordingly. Then some will move on and others will stay, then however price discovery and long term development can happen for real. For any legit project at least, and this is certainly one of those.

We have great branding and we have an honest experienced team, that isn't hiding like most at this price. Transparency that is real, and a design to fund the project long term. We have realistic goals rather than impossible fake promises and fake roadmaps, but we are planning big, while also considering the time it will take to get there. We also have some of the best exchanges and we are just starting. Not to hype, but I believe in the project.

[wildduck]

Me too man just keep up the work and i will keep mining like hell

[BitcoinForumator]

Am I doing this right? Because this "dindu nuffin".

I lowered the Core Clock from 1000 to 800 and Memory Clock from 1375 to 1000, just to get a sure result but the temp is pretty much the same. I also restarted the computer. Also, for some reason I can't change the core voltage, even though I made sure this option was ticked in the Settings.

You need to lower the voltage from 1200mV to 1000mV or lower. You will get lower temperature.

Thanks for stoping by. Btw, I couldn't lower the voltage for some reason even though I made sure this option was On in the Settings. Don't know why. Perhaps I need to do it in BIOS first.

[ZonedOutSpace]

Time to rent a few rigs

[defaced]

Thanks for stoping by. Btw, I couldn't lower the voltage for some reason even though I made sure this option was On in the Settings. Don't know why. Perhaps I need to do it in BIOS first.

Some cards are voltage locked.

[nhutphan]

Am I doing this right? Because this "dindu nuffin".

I lowered the Core Clock from 1000 to 800 and Memory Clock from 1375 to 1000, just to get a sure result but the temp is pretty much the same. I also restarted the computer. Also, for some reason I can't change the core voltage, even though I made sure this option was ticked in the Settings.

You need to lower the voltage from 1200mV to 1000mV or lower. You will get lower temperature.

Thanks for stoping by. Btw, I couldn't lower the voltage for some reason even though I made sure this option was On in the Settings. Don't know why. Perhaps I need to do it in BIOS first.

You have to flash the BIOS. Then, you can control the voltage in Afterburn.

[HappyComplex]

Sold all my exp a while ago.  Exited just barely in time to break even.

I think the issue with pump & dump came from the fact that this is one of the only legit looking cryptos to come out of the altcoin section in ages.

Everyone recognized this and so they were waiting for exp to hit exchanges.  It got pumped like crazy, probably thanks to some ETH money flowing in as well.  Then people dumped it back down when they realized the price couldn't remain stable with the rate of inflation.

Good luck with the project guys, I will keep an eye on it to see if there's a good time to pick up some exp again.

[wildduck]

This project is very good and the price of exp at the moment is low.

[YOLOMAN]

These Ethereum clones seem pretty interesting

[Abiky]

Right now Expanse's price is a lot cheaper than it was before when it started. However, despite everything that Expanse has been blamed for (premine, difficulty, etc) I still have hope that Expanse will become stronger in the next year or so. I remember when Bitcoin was priced at around $0.07 per BTC when it first started and look at it now. It is the most valuable cryptocurrency around. So all I can say is that this is the beginning of a wonderful journey for Expanse and perhaps it will surpass Ethereum in the next years. The key here is patience and I'm still holding my EXP for the future. 

[CryptoClub]

Sold all my exp a while ago.  Exited just barely in time to break even.

I think the issue with pump & dump came from the fact that this is one of the only legit looking cryptos to come out of the altcoin section in ages.

Everyone recognized this and so they were waiting for exp to hit exchanges.  It got pumped like crazy, probably thanks to some ETH money flowing in as well.  Then people dumped it back down when they realized the price couldn't remain stable with the rate of inflation.

Good luck with the project guys, I will keep an eye on it to see if there's a good time to pick up some exp again.

I think that sounds about right. My own expectations were that would would have massive hashing power, I expected it popular right away at least in that regard, and then slowly get on exchanges and build up the price/value. Obviously it went crazy right away and hit all the main exchanges within 24 hours. In order to maintain that price it would be difficult, but there is no reason we can't build it up over time now since our marketcap is extremely low at this point. So thanks, and yes, good idea to keep an eye on it.

[cyberspacemonkey]

I agree there's a good team behind this coin but why use an Etherum clone?