2024 NBA Season

[ultrloa]

Those two stars are big loss for their team since we know how big the numbers they can put up per game plus the impact the can bring to their opponents so expect that the performance of green will go down as he is not totally a shooter plus he don't have any other team to rely in terms of scoring since most of them struggles. Maybe we can see them different team again once Klay came back so hopefully this season we will see him running on the floor.

Then you just conclude that Green is a useless player hehe. It's not about the productivity but the overall performance. It's common to lose that everybody in Warriors is struggling. If he is nothing without Steph and Klay, then no team will have interest on signing him in the future and worst, the Warriors might consider trading him despite he is a part of their championship run. I didn't even hearing his name in some rumors that a team shows interest to him.

Nope I don't mean that he's useless but what I mean there is he doesn't have any guys who can rely in terms of scoring since he cannot produce in that area and we see that on their last conference where they are totally struggling when klay and steph is out of the game due to injury. We know what is the capabilities of green and he's totally a good defensive player but the inconsistency of his teammates bring him also bring him down.

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[Yaunfitda]

Perhaps it's the second coming of Detroit that give them their last championship, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, the Wallace's (Ben and Rasheed).

Perhaps there were still be teams currently or coaches that will preach "Defense win games". Maybe some players in the 80's-90's who are now coach can still implement this in their system since they know how it's important even in the era today wherein we have a lot of attempts outside the arc.

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

I think with the recent rebuilding of the Lakers, yeah, they are going to still rely on their defensive skills. Lebron, AD and Westbrook + Howard. Coach Pop also emphasizes good defense as well, it's just his team right now are still very young. So still, I'm sure coaches around the league still knows that in order to win games, you have to play solid defense throughout 48 minutes of play.

[Baofeng]

Then you just conclude that Green is a useless player hehe. It's not about the productivity but the overall performance. It's common to lose that everybody in Warriors is struggling. If he is nothing without Steph and Klay, then no team will have interest on signing him in the future and worst, the Warriors might consider trading him despite he is a part of their championship run. I didn't even hearing his name in some rumors that a team shows interest to him.

It's true. Overall performance can keep you in one team even if you are not a shooter.
Then, there is impact, being a team player and so much more to offer than just being an offensive player.

Yes, impact players that can only play like 10 minutes, but once they are inside the court, the game changes, the complexion goes into their favour.

Look at KD, he had been jumping in different teams and so does Kyrie and Kawhi. They are not the type to be a team player but mostly isolations.

I think KD just wanted to taste the water outside and win championships, and he had experience that with the GSW. And maybe Kobe will be the last great franchise players we will see in the league.

Playmakers such as Draymond Green and Marcus Smart are different. They may not be ball handlers or with high dribbling skills but they can manage the plays and can lead using high IQ. Lebron is doing the same thing when he got older.

And they could also be a good mentor as well for their rookies and teach them how to become a great player. And then motivating the experience one like what he did to Curry, Thompson and even KD when he was still with GSW.

[Oasisman]

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

The problem of today's players is their flopping is also on another level. The defensive play of Rodman and others like Ben Wallace might not work anymore. I think it's time for them to consider making some rules in this kind of a joke since the game is not like the way it is before. Especially when the game is close and both teams are playing hard to get the win but suddenly you see some players flopping to steal the show. You know what I mean and when they see the replay after calling the foul, looks like they cannot do something about it if they don't have any Instant Replay Review anymore.

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

[justdimin]

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

You can play as defensive as you want but at the end of the day we are not in 2004 anymore and almost everything is a foul. Sure you can play better defense compared to other teams, but without hand checking, without proper body defending, it is all getting offensive, and if you do not have a proper offense then your defense doesn't even matter.

Utah is a great defensive team, do you see them at anywhere near the top when talking about teams? Hell Clippers has 2 of the best perimeter defenders in the entire game and they always fail at playoffs. Long story short it is not about defense anymore, Lakers won a bit of thanks to their defense of course, but their offense was Lebron James and AD, can you say their offense wasn't amazing as well? You could basically improve to a point, but we will never have 2004 pistons level of defense in the league ever again.

[danherbias07]

Long story short it is not about defense anymore, Lakers won a bit of thanks to their defense of course, but their offense was Lebron James and AD, can you say their offense wasn't amazing as well?

Yes their offense is amazing, I didn't doubt that. But remember good offense comes from great defense. It boosts players whenever they make stops.
That's why I said before defense is not being highlighted anymore. Most fans are just looking at the plain view of dunks and 3 points but didn't really appreciate what is happening on the other side. I doubt they ever will.

Anyway, for those who mentioned the flop, it's not just the flop but also the hand check.
Pistons championship was the last time we saw hand checks. They banned it after that. It is also the one reason why offense was so high today. Even if you are the best outside defender in the league like Draymond or Batum, it won't be easy to make a pivot the same way the offense will and you need to give them room  or if not, the ref will whistle.

[rhomelmabini]

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

The question arises from here on out on why they haven't keep that balance or the recent championship team they have from the bubble? I think if they keep even Green, Howard and Rondo they still are the best they have from the bubble. Well, I think they got the right player right now but the playing time with this updated Lakers roster will surely be unbalanced but never doubt they can come up with a strategy for that.

[Fredomago]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

Changes a lot and players needs to adopt that, both of you have that point which really affects the tempo of the game, flopping is being caught have a penalty if I remember it correctly $5000 for the first caught then $15K in the second and $30K in their third offense, though not that huge amount compared to the salaries of the players.

In your point, indeed, there are calls that not being given weight and refs are just letting it go, to the point that players need to act that they are really being hit hard to bring the attention of the refs.

We will see more of this and as a fan, I would appreciate if how super stars and their coaches will adopt and adjust with these unexpected calls that being thrown to their respective teams.

[Maidak]

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

You can play as defensive as you want but at the end of the day we are not in 2004 anymore and almost everything is a foul. Sure you can play better defense compared to other teams, but without hand checking, without proper body defending, it is all getting offensive, and if you do not have a proper offense then your defense doesn't even matter.
Utah is a great defensive team, do you see them at anywhere near the top when talking about teams? Hell Clippers has 2 of the best perimeter defenders in the entire game and they always fail at playoffs. Long story short it is not about defense anymore, Lakers won a bit of thanks to their defense of course, but their offense was Lebron James and AD, can you say their offense wasn't amazing as well? You could basically improve to a point, but we will never have 2004 pistons level of defense in the league ever again.

There is a reason people say that,

'offence wins you games, but defense wins you trophies.'

A team with a good defense and a good defensive strategy will most of the time if not always have the upper hand in the long run. That's because defending is always more consistent than attacking. Same goes for Lakers and their coach. If they can hold onto that same strategy, I see that they will be a good contender for the title.

[CryptoBuds]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

[Russlenat]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, Harden is not a Physica IMO, he is soft as I thought, he masters the flopping that's why he takes a lot of free throw in the game, James also did the same, so there's no NBA star now that doesn't know how to flop, it's been part fo the game already, what a shame. 

[wheelz1200]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

The soft calls like hand checking fouls are terrible for game flow.  It stops the momentum of the game and general watchability.  Allowing for some physical play also gets rivals going.  Watching in the 80s and 90s was so much better than now.

[Questat]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

The soft calls like hand checking fouls are terrible for game flow.  It stops the momentum of the game and general watchability.  Allowing for some physical play also gets rivals going.  Watching in the 80s and 90s was so much better than now.

I really missed those times, players are not relying so much on their 3 point shooting, they are more into physical plays like driving inside to score and get fouled. I guess the NBA organization has realized that if they will not make it soft, their players will easily be injured and their investment will be at risk, so I don't think we will ever see the 80's-90's style in NBA again.

[Fredomago]

I really missed those times, players are not relying so much on their 3 point shooting, they are more into physical plays like driving inside to score and get fouled.

As even Larry Bird who can really shot from the ark is also making his shots closers to the basket, they are not relying with the long 3's but they wanted to keep challenging the defense and make an in your face dunks or twisted shots to avoid the blocking defense.

I guess the NBA organization has realized that if they will not make it soft, their players will easily be injured and their investment will be at risk, so I don't think we will ever see the 80's-90's style in NBA again.

That's a big part of these changes. NBA stars now are a big investment, so allowing those hard fouls will affect the players. They don't want to lose millions of dollars just because of a hard foul that results in major injuries.

No more Jordan rules, a plain head to head and if the defense collapses, then so be it.

[Japinat]

I really missed those times, players are not relying so much on their 3 point shooting, they are more into physical plays like driving inside to score and get fouled.

As even Larry Bird who can really shot from the ark is also making his shots closers to the basket, they are not relying with the long 3's but they wanted to keep challenging the defense and make an in your face dunks or twisted shots to avoid the blocking defense.

That was the old times but I don't see a lot of games in the past due so I was not able to appreciate it a lot.
now, we have the internet, we can just watch the highlights in youtube so we can easily get familiar with the players, but I agree, compared to now, in the past, it's more physical and more entertaining to watch.

I guess the NBA organization has realized that if they will not make it soft, their players will easily be injured and their investment will be at risk, so I don't think we will ever see the 80's-90's style in NBA again.

That's a big part of these changes. NBA stars now are a big investment, so allowing those hard fouls will affect the players. They don't want to lose millions of dollars just because of a hard foul that results in major injuries.

No more Jordan rules, a plain head to head and if the defense collapses, then so be it.

I guess at this point where every team has included "flopping" as part of their training, the commissioner has to make a stop of this by putting a heavy penalty on a player that is proven flopping, high paid players gets the biggest penalty, and let's see if they'll still continue to do it.

[Oasisman]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

The soft calls like hand checking fouls are terrible for game flow.  It stops the momentum of the game and general watchability.  Allowing for some physical play also gets rivals going.  Watching in the 80s and 90s was so much better than now.

That's crazy and I agree to that. Soft calls like that are a momentum killer, not only for the game but also for the players. Players get frustrated and will starting to lose their composure.
The 80's and 90's NBA offers a real competitiveness feeling to the audience because of it's physicality where almost no place for the soft calls.
But then again, today's NBA has changed so much and there's nothing we can do but to accept the fact that terrible flopping is part of the game now. So, I guess the officials will have a tougher assignment today in identifying which legitimate foul to call.

[dwyane36]

That's a big part of these changes. NBA stars now are a big investment, so allowing those hard fouls will affect the players. They don't want to lose millions of dollars just because of a hard foul that results in major injuries.

Of course, current nba players get larger contracts than before, but it shouldn't be a reason for 'soft' play. I think serious injuries most often occur due to general fatigue of players, not hard fouls.

I guess at this point where every team has included "flopping" as part of their training, the commissioner has to make a stop of this by putting a heavy penalty on a player that is proven flopping, high paid players gets the biggest penalty, and let's see if they'll still continue to do it.

You're probably right that penalties for players would be an effective way to stop flopping, but I doubt that NBA will do it in the coming years.

[Dave1]

The game of basketball, especially the NBA has a huge changes. Flopping was a part of the game even before, but because of the physicality soft fouls was usually uncalled. So, players like LeBron, Harden, and others who didn't get enough calls will exaggerate the contact, thus flopping will be the result. The calls was changed too, they added too many soft calls that even taunting an opponent after a highlight moves will be a technical foul today.
Also, the defense was also changed maybe because of the range the players can do to score today.

I feel like soft calls should be called. Because if soft calls are uncalled, physical players as you mentioned like (Lebron or Harden) will somewhat abuse that. That does not help in a tactical point of view in my opinion. Yes, physicality in a sport is important, but I don't want it to get prioritized over the tactical side of the game.

The soft calls like hand checking fouls are terrible for game flow.  It stops the momentum of the game and general watchability.  Allowing for some physical play also gets rivals going.  Watching in the 80s and 90s was so much better than now.

That's crazy and I agree to that. Soft calls like that are a momentum killer, not only for the game but also for the players. Players get frustrated and will starting to lose their composure.
The 80's and 90's NBA offers a real competitiveness feeling to the audience because of it's physicality where almost no place for the soft calls.
But then again, today's NBA has changed so much and there's nothing we can do but to accept the fact that terrible flopping is part of the game now. So, I guess the officials will have a tougher assignment today in identifying which legitimate foul to call.

And that's why officiating has also change a lot we have the technology now to review a replay and coaches can contest calls now, so the game has really evolved so much since the 80's-90's.

So for OG fans who have been watching the games in the 80's-90's will have a hard time accepting soft calls, but it is, what it is, the game 'needs' to evolved as time goes by.

[redhack]

I wish LaMarcus Aldridge a healthy season. He probably won't get much time but his contribution to the team will be significant.

[TravelMug]

Perhaps it's the second coming of Detroit that give them their last championship, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, the Wallace's (Ben and Rasheed).

Perhaps there were still be teams currently or coaches that will preach "Defense win games". Maybe some players in the 80's-90's who are now coach can still implement this in their system since they know how it's important even in the era today wherein we have a lot of attempts outside the arc.

There are still a lot of coaches who uses this kind of strategy. Lakers Coach Frank Vogel is a defensive type strategist and they won the bubble championship because of it. He maximized the strength of Dwight Howard, Rondo, Morris and Danny Green on the defensive end that's why they gain the upper hand against the Miami Heat.
I think with just the right players in their roster they could make the same performance as their championship year and it's already happening that's why they let go some players to balance their team again.

But they let go of the majority of their players that help them win the championships under Lebron and AD. And that's what's surprising to see, players like Howard, Green, Rondo, Javale was replaced and they have paid the price, they lost their grip because of Lebron and AD's injury.

But the Lakers quickly fixes this issue this season, bring back Howard and Rondo and them some good players as well. So Frank Vogel may have accepted the fact that they really need some key players for defense to win games and championships.