Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan

[lucif]

Really? this informational message, that is totally true, is force customers??

Totally true? Paypal transfers are also instant. But they recommend using anonymous payment method.

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[tbcoin]

Really? this informational message, that is totally true, is force customers??

Totally true? Paypal transfers are also instant. But they recommend using anonymous payment method.

... is the last straw, now appears that the bitcoiners prefer paypal. What are you doing here??

It is the same message for all products and minirig can't be payed with paypal, in addition text compares bank transfer with bitpay, says nothing about paypal ...

[lucif]

... is the last straw, now appears that the bitcoiners prefer paypal. What are you doing here??

I am not bitcoiner, I am just doing some business. What am I doing here is not your fucking business.

[tbcoin]

... is the last straw, now appears that the bitcoiners prefer paypal. What are you doing here??

I am not bitcoiner, I am just doing some business. What am I doing here is not your fucking business.

Business??Oh wait, pay for trolling?

[becoin]

Really? this informational message, that is totally true, is force customers??

Totally true? Paypal transfers are also instant. But they recommend using anonymous payment method.

... is the last straw, now appears that the bitcoiners prefer paypal.

Of course! You must be an idiot to pay BFL in bitcoins. They don't honor full bitcoin refunds. This is already a proven fact!

[tbcoin]

Really? this informational message, that is totally true, is force customers??

Totally true? Paypal transfers are also instant. But they recommend using anonymous payment method.

... is the last straw, now appears that the bitcoiners prefer paypal.

Of course! You must be an idiot to pay BFL in bitcoins. They don't honor full bitcoin refunds. This is already a proven fact!

OHHH NOOOO, YOU AGAIN!!!!

[mobodick]

LOL Micon, you are such a dumb fuck.
Just take your ritalin and everything will seem more reasonable.

[misterbigg]

Top 10 Reasons why Bryan Micon is a Piece of Shit Scumbag

I'll give Bryan credit for calling the Pirateat40 debacle but are you going to eat crow if BFL ships?

[Micon]

I'll give Bryan credit for calling the Pirateat40 debacle but are you going to eat crow if BFL ships?

1)  Crow will be eating if BFL ships.

2)  here is Josh Zerlan's latest trolling of my bet thread, again with moderators telling me that I'm the one out of line: 

Haha by the end of the month is the only thing Bryan Micon, the "professional poker player" is willing to wager now.  From "It's definitely a scam! No doubt about it!" to "Well, by the end of the month." in the span of a month. 

and then just now:

Also willing to bet BFL will not ship by 3/15 (ides of March)  Sgt Spike

If anyone has offers, such as "hey Micon, i'll bet you my 50 coins vs. your 25 coins that BFL ships at least 5 customers 350 Mhash/Joule+ ASIC devices pictured, tested, and working by the end of March"  go ahead and throw them out here.

Don't let trolls in this thread deter you from offering something.  All bets made so far have been very Gentleman-like between the bettors.  Contrary to some early trolls, there is nothing wrong with putting something out there and having the other side say no.  Also, nothing wrong with quick negotiation of terms so both sides are happy with the bet (until it settles

so if anyone wants some near-term BFL will ship action, I'm open to suggestions and very much want to take the "BFL won't ship in near-term" side.

Just gonna quote the above for the inevitable back peddling that Bryan Micon is sure to do later. 

So now it's "I very much want to take the 'BFL won't ship near-term' side." which is a far cry from "BFL is a scam!  I am positive!" 

See, if Bryan Micon wasn't a liar, then taking a bet for near term, long term, forever-term would be a no brainer.  But since he's unwilling to do that, he's clearly demonstrating the fact that he lied from the beginning.  It's fortunate you all are doing escrow with these bets, since he has a history of welching on his contracts and deals in the past and is a known poker scammer. 

Anyone willing to do bets with him should definitely do escrow or he'll rip you off.

isn't something supposed to be getting bumped today?  and it wasn't a betting thread.

[kayrice]

LOL Micon, you are such a dumb fuck.
Just take your ritalin and everything will seem more reasonable.

LOL mobodick, you are such a dumb fuck.
Just take your cocaine and everything will seem more reasonable.

PS - This is easy

[Puppet]

Top 10 Reasons why Bryan Micon is a Piece of Shit Scumbag

I'll give Bryan credit for calling the Pirateat40 debacle but are you going to eat crow if BFL ships?

Even if he is proven wrong on this one (and I think he will be, eventually), his batting record will still be roughly 10x better than most regular posters here who gave Micon the same shit when he warned them about pirate, hasking, mybitcointrade, why-I-love-patrick-harnett and half a dozen other once respected members, that are now all known scammers.

[Micon]

Even if he is proven wrong on this one (and I think he will be, eventually), his batting record will still be roughly 10x better than most regular posters here who gave Micon the same shit when he warned them about pirate, hasking, mybitcointrade, why-I-love-patrick-harnett and half a dozen other once respected members, that are now all known scammers.

well watch out btc community, we have one with his eyes open.  Puppet I respect your difference of opinion on this matter, and even more so I respect your clear thought on the matter even if you believe BFL to be completely legitimate.  I have a feeling when this one goes boom, it will be very hard to deny my accusations in the future.  The more and more Josh trolls me, the more I start to uncover.  This looks pretty shady:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0

and I can't get over the fact that when I want to post in a BFL-thread about my scam accusations, a mod (likely Gmaxwell) swiftly comes in and deletes my comments.  When Josh Zerlan wants to troll up my betting thread again, it's game on.

pretty weak Btctalk mods.. pretty weak...  gonna force me to spin up another machine and get my man Eric on building out a new bitcoin forum.  The BFL-friendly censorship is not cool.

[kayrice]

Micon, be careful last guy that did that was Bruce Wagner - and ya we know where that guy ended up.

[mobodick]

LOL Micon, you are such a dumb fuck.
Just take your ritalin and everything will seem more reasonable.

LOL mobodick, you are such a dumb fuck.
Just take your cocaine and everything will seem more reasonable.

PS - This is easy

Cocain is so boring.., 

[Micon]

part of the fraud that is going on right now even if BFL ships tomorrow is the advertising:



no mention of a pre-order, just as if you get X hashing power for $X.  The google pay-per-click ads are also shadily listed as such.  At the very least, BFL is likely using pre-order money to fund R&D.  I mean, what did they need this "private venture capital" investment for? 

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611889.htm  <--- press release from july 2012 announcing, vague reference to "private venture capital" and then a huge headshot of money collection as "pre-orders" = this company just takes in monies and hasn't sent anything back.  It would be Luda to send them any more $ at this stage before a product gets shipped.

[SgtSpike]

Pretty sure it's not a requirement to mention that something is a pre-order in a web banner ad.  If it is, please link to the relevant laws stating so.

[Micon]

Pretty sure it's not a requirement to mention that something is a pre-order in a web banner ad.  If it is, please link to the relevant laws stating so.

stop legaling it up, it's extremely misleading and no matter what you bet on that is clear.  potential buyer thinks "I buy X gh/s for X using X power" and starts doing calculations. 

have you read the initial press release?  vague and scammish sounding IMO:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611889.htm

by contrast let's take a look at a press release from a real btc company with a real round of funding, Bitpay:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitpay-expand-bitcoin-processing-space-190000470.html

first sentence lists investors.   No piece of evidence alone is enough to convict, but it all keeps adding up more and more scammy with each new piece of info.  Sonny, Josh's conduct at CES, Pre-order dishonesty, vague press release, constant missed deadlines with pre-order marketing spending same or increasing...

[SgtSpike]

Pretty sure it's not a requirement to mention that something is a pre-order in a web banner ad.  If it is, please link to the relevant laws stating so.

stop legaling it up, it's extremely misleading and no matter what you bet on that is clear.  potential buyer thinks "I buy X gh/s for X using X power" and starts doing calculations. 

have you read the initial press release?  vague and scammish sounding IMO:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611889.htm

by contrast let's take a look at a press release from a real btc company with a real round of funding, Bitpay:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitpay-expand-bitcoin-processing-space-190000470.html

first sentence lists investors.   No piece of evidence alone is enough to convict, but it all keeps adding up more and more scammy with each new piece of info.  Sonny, Josh's conduct at CES, Pre-order dishonesty, vague press release, constant missed deadlines with pre-order marketing spending same or increasing...

And yet, with all of that, I still don't see them deserving of a "scam" tag.

[smoothie]

Pretty sure it's not a requirement to mention that something is a pre-order in a web banner ad.  If it is, please link to the relevant laws stating so.

It isn't about it being lawful. It is just scummy as fuck to not say it is in the advertisements.

[smoothie]

Pretty sure it's not a requirement to mention that something is a pre-order in a web banner ad.  If it is, please link to the relevant laws stating so.

stop legaling it up, it's extremely misleading and no matter what you bet on that is clear.  potential buyer thinks "I buy X gh/s for X using X power" and starts doing calculations. 

have you read the initial press release?  vague and scammish sounding IMO:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611889.htm

by contrast let's take a look at a press release from a real btc company with a real round of funding, Bitpay:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitpay-expand-bitcoin-processing-space-190000470.html

first sentence lists investors.   No piece of evidence alone is enough to convict, but it all keeps adding up more and more scammy with each new piece of info.  Sonny, Josh's conduct at CES, Pre-order dishonesty, vague press release, constant missed deadlines with pre-order marketing spending same or increasing...

And yet, with all of that, I still don't see them deserving of a "scam" tag.

Just wait for it...