Health and Religion

[BADecker]

So it seems that Neantherdal men have the biggest brain capacity. Now I understand why the Europeans are the most intelligent and the Niggers the least ...

I have heard it said that Einstein's brain was 25% smaller than average.   

[mrflibblehat]

Is the size of his brain important or the contributions that he made to science because if it?

[TPTB_need_war]

Mormons may also have some immunity the detrimental effect IQ on of fertility. In the general population increasing income (highly correlated with IQ) is associated with both declining fertility and declining religious commitment. In Mormons the reverse is true. Mormon fertility is positively correlated with income and Mormons with higher levels of formal education tend to be more religiously committed.

On multiple religious measures Mormons stand out for having exceptionally high levels of religious commitment. More than nine-in-ten Mormons report a belief in God and that the Bible is the word of God. Mormons are also very observant in their religious practices with more than eight-in-ten praying daily. Mormons strongly support a strict interpretation of their faith and the preservation of traditional beliefs and practices.

Are these demographic differences actually due to the Mormon religion? How can we be confident these are not just population level differences that happen to correlate with religion? To better answer that lets examine the Jews.

Didn't have a chance to digest it all yet, but what immediately pops out for me is that men may be (unconsciously) using religion to keep the women focus in child bearing which would not normally the case in a more liberated affluent society. I think you wrote before in the Economic Devastation thread about how society is a balance between preventing people from doing actions that opt-out and harm the collective well-being balanced against the society becoming too totalitarian and imploding.

So it seems religion forces all parties to subject their free-will such that the balance is maintained.

Religion also has failure modes though such as the Spanish Inquisition, although one might argue those are extreme cults that have not stabilized as the Jews apparently have over 1000s of years.

What high IQ people miss is apparently that God doesn't have to be a factual truth in order for religion to be an optimum strategy for society. Thus they aren't as high IQ as they think they are, haha.

[BADecker]

Hey! Some poison is good for you. Coffee has at least 119 toxins in it... in tiny amounts. But they cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well. The poison in the coffee isn't enough, itself, to hurt you... unless you drink just tons of it.

Atheism is different. It sends the atheist to eternal damnation, eternal death by eternal dying, in pain and agony. and the greatest agony of it is the absence of God.

[valta4065]

So it seems that Neantherdal men have the biggest brain capacity. Now I understand why the Europeans are the most intelligent and the Niggers the least ...

I have heard it said that Einstein's brain was 25% smaller than average.   

And so? What's up with that?

[valta4065]

Hey! Some poison is good for you. Coffee has at least 119 toxins in it... in tiny amounts. But they cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well. The poison in the coffee isn't enough, itself, to hurt you... unless you drink just tons of it.

Atheism is different. It sends the atheist to eternal damnation, eternal death by eternal dying, in pain and agony. and the greatest agony of it is the absence of God.

And if you worship the wrong God? Like you're Christian, what's up if the Muslims are right? :-/

[organofcorti]

Hey! Some poison is good for you. Coffee has at least 119 toxins in it... in tiny amounts. But they cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well. <snip>

Untrue. "Toxins" in coffee do not cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well.

[CoinCube]

I think you wrote before in the Economic Devastation thread about how society is a balance between preventing people from doing actions that opt-out and harm the collective well-being balanced against the society becoming too totalitarian and imploding.
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What high IQ people miss is apparently that God doesn't have to be a factual truth in order for religion to be an optimum strategy for society. Thus they aren't as high IQ as they think they are, haha.

In Justification for New World Order: Part 1, 2, 3, 4 I argued the following.

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man).  

Collectivism exists because it limits defection especially those forms of defection linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient. However, the inefficiencies associated with collectivism are less (at least historically) than the inefficiencies that come from the violence and defections that occur in an environment of unrestrained individualism.

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There is no such thing as complete freedom except for the state of nature as described by Hobbs. In every other scenario the best we can achieve is a partial freedom. We agree to some limitations of our freedoms to maximize our ability to prosper and cooperate while minimizing individual freedom to coerce, and defect.

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The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. To borrow from the links in the opening post each iteration increases the amount of entropy the system can sustainably support.

Charlton argues that religion is the proximate method of Group Selection in humans specifically he argues that religion enhances social cohesion enabling larger and more complex forms of social functioning.

Religion appears to be a primary driver of evolution facilitating our progressive climb to more complex social systems via the stimulation and enforcement of motivation, altruism, and long-termism.

If Individual humans are adapted to live in a context of religion. It is logical absent religion human behavior becomes maladaptive.

Could a shared consensus among individuals ever replace centralized government? Such a society would require a powerful and healthy moral code upheld and enforced by all with both belief and reverence.

Perhaps the very religious have more to teach us then we realize.

[af_newbie]

I think you wrote before in the Economic Devastation thread about how society is a balance between preventing people from doing actions that opt-out and harm the collective well-being balanced against the society becoming too totalitarian and imploding.

In Justification for New World Order: Part 1, 2, 3, 4 I argued the following.

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man).  

Collectivism exists because it limits defection especially those forms of defection linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient. However, the inefficiencies associated with collectivism are less (at least historically) than the inefficiencies that come from the violence and defections that occur in an environment of unrestrained individualism.

...

There is no such thing as complete freedom except for the state of nature as described by Hobbs. In every other scenario the best we can achieve is a partial freedom. We agree to some limitations of our freedoms to maximize our ability to prosper and cooperate while minimizing individual freedom to coerce, and defect.

...

The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. To borrow from the links in the opening post each iteration increases the amount of entropy the system can sustainably support.

Charlton argues that religion is the proximate method of Group Selection in humans specifically he argues that religion enhances social cohesion enabling larger and more complex forms of social functioning.

Religion appears to be a primary driver of evolution facilitating our progressive climb to more complex social systems via the stimulation and enforcement of motivation, altruism, and long-termism.

If Individual humans are adapted to live in a context of religion. It is logical absent religion human behavior becomes maladaptive.

What high IQ people miss is apparently that God doesn't have to be a factual truth in order for religion to be an optimum strategy for society. Thus they aren't as high IQ as they think they are, haha.

Could a shared consensus among individuals ever replace centralized government? Such a society would require a powerful and healthy moral code upheld and enforced by all with both belief and reverence.

Perhaps the very religious have more to teach us then we realize.

Belief in common myths is what allowed Homo Sapiens to co-operate in large groups of complete strangers.  It unified the groups behind a common goal.  Thanks to religion Sapiens managed to rule over other animals.

In the 21st century, we have other concepts that essentially function as religions.  Secular governments, science, data.  

Bitcoin is an example.  Two strangers trust bitcoin value because they trust Math behind it.  They are willing to co-operate (in this case exchange value) despite the fact that they don't know each other, might be actually enemies otherwise.  But they will co-operate the same way two Christian Kingdoms co-operated to kill and plunder pagan tribes.

You don't need to suspend your reason to believe some bronze age nonsense, today, you have other options.



 

 

[Ernstew]

Here's something that the world should know about atheism. Don't let it poison your mind.
Atheism is dying from it's own failure to reason, to be honest and because of the bigotry that is embedded in its cultivation of new nonbelievers.
5 years now talking to atheists.
Not every atheist is this way but a majority of them (especially in groups) have this egotistical presuppositional concept that God isn't real (without substantiating it) and basing all arguments on that opinion alone. Yet they tell people that they just don't know to avoid saying God isn't real.
Atheism is a poison to the human intellect.
It promotes itself as rational thinking but
reasons fallaciously.
It declines morals because it loses accountability for its actions.
It tells you that you're smarter than religious people but it is intellectually dishonest when it generalizes.
It plays on the emotions and hope is soon lost.
It cons you into presumptuously believing you're right and encourages you to mock who you think is wrong.
It plays vicious games and promotes a mob mentality.
It strong arms religious people with ridicule and mockery.
It creates bullies.
It claims to be critical but only ensues deception.
It creates stereotypes, bigotry, and a delusion.
It gives you no reason to live. It takes for granted the rest of your life and in your death it leaves you in oblivion.
Atheism is a delusion of grandeur that promotes nothing and dumbs down God out of arrogance and ignorance.
It is a cult of arrogance, fallacious reasoning, intellectual dishonesty, and bigotry.
It whines about mentioning God in an oath to protect our freedom.
It whines about God being printed on its money that will pass briefly through its life.
It deceptively creates itself as powerful yet its cause of popularity is just proof of its inner corruption.
It even deceives its own kind and betrays them.
It tells you it has no faith yet it has no proof to substantiate its opinion.
It projects.
It tells you that you are sane but it controls your voice tricking you into believing you are a free thinker.
It runs from questioning and refuses to learn beyond the brainwashed propaganda it invokes.

[ModdingServicesUnity]

 What really ticks me off is when atheists keep saying that we have to prove God exists (yet only they can convince themselves), but we that have faith God exists, are not liable to provide anything for them. If we say "God exists", then and only then are we under scrutiny and the burden of proof is on us. Yet atheists consistently call the Bible a fairy tale, or compare God to invisible pink unicorns, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns, and the flying spaghetti monster without substantiating it. When they say they have no evidence for those things just the same as they have no evidence for God, then it becomes a straw man argument because it is a highly exaggerated misrepresentation in comparison used as an argument. It is also an illicit substitution of identities (masked man fallacy) because they see in one perspective that they don't have evidence for one thing and therefore believe the perspective is true in every other situation. This leads to an over all denying the antecedent fallacy. Just because they don't have evidence for something, they refuse to believe it. Which turns into their claim that they can't believe in anything without any evidence, which is a lie because everyone does it every day when we confide in inconsistencies. By making plans ahead of time or acting on a premeditated idea, it is by faith. Faith is a natural part of our thinking processes. We have faith on a daily basis in something that we do not have empirical evidence that it will happen the way we plan it to. Another example of faith is when we are traveling to a destination in hope by faith that we will reach that destination on time. So the whole anti-faith garbage is a cult of logophobic bigots that are too sophophobic and too arrogant to listen and learn how they are wrong but they have faith they are right. These people have some serious denial issues.

Atheism - to be blunt - is a stupid concept.  Here's why:
Free Thought:  Atheists pride themselves in claiming that Atheism is all about free thought.  However, I began to question this for the mere fact that Atheists do not give time to the God concept.  They are quick to dismiss it as a "sky fairy" superstition.  As a critical rational thinker, I am all about investigating, questioning and theorizing.  I could not
 simply state, "There is no God, it is superstition."  This would be intellectually dishonest and a cop out.  Atheism is NOT a haven for free thought.
By quickly dismissing God as a "Sky fairie" or comparing to a ficticious myth, is a hasty generalization. Just another fallacious concept in atheism.

[af_newbie]

Here's something that the world should know about atheism. Don't let it poison your mind.
Atheism is dying from it's own failure to reason, to be honest and because of the bigotry that is embedded in its cultivation of new nonbelievers.
5 years now talking to atheists.
Not every atheist is this way but a majority of them (especially in groups) have this egotistical presuppositional concept that God isn't real (without substantiating it) and basing all arguments on that opinion alone. Yet they tell people that they just don't know to avoid saying God isn't real.
Atheism is a poison to the human intellect.
It promotes itself as rational thinking but
reasons fallaciously.
It declines morals because it loses accountability for its actions.
It tells you that you're smarter than religious people but it is intellectually dishonest when it generalizes.
It plays on the emotions and hope is soon lost.
It cons you into presumptuously believing you're right and encourages you to mock who you think is wrong.
It plays vicious games and promotes a mob mentality.
It strong arms religious people with ridicule and mockery.
It creates bullies.
It claims to be critical but only ensues deception.
It creates stereotypes, bigotry, and a delusion.
It gives you no reason to live. It takes for granted the rest of your life and in your death it leaves you in oblivion.
Atheism is a delusion of grandeur that promotes nothing and dumbs down God out of arrogance and ignorance.
It is a cult of arrogance, fallacious reasoning, intellectual dishonesty, and bigotry.
It whines about mentioning God in an oath to protect our freedom.
It whines about God being printed on its money that will pass briefly through its life.
It deceptively creates itself as powerful yet its cause of popularity is just proof of its inner corruption.
It even deceives its own kind and betrays them.
It tells you it has no faith yet it has no proof to substantiate its opinion.
It projects.
It tells you that you are sane but it controls your voice tricking you into believing you are a free thinker.
It runs from questioning and refuses to learn beyond the brainwashed propaganda it invokes.

Say WHAAAAT?  You obviously have no clue what Atheism is?

[af_newbie]

What really ticks me off is when atheists keep saying that we have to prove God exists (yet only they can convince themselves), but we that have faith God exists, are not liable to provide anything for them. If we say "God exists", then and only then are we under scrutiny and the burden of proof is on us. Yet atheists consistently call the Bible a fairy tale, or compare God to invisible pink unicorns, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns, and the flying spaghetti monster without substantiating it.

....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

Just read the fucking Bible.

[BADecker]

Here's something that the world should know about atheism. Don't let it poison your mind.
Atheism is dying from it's own failure to reason, to be honest and because of the bigotry that is embedded in its cultivation of new nonbelievers.
5 years now talking to atheists.
Not every atheist is this way but a majority of them (especially in groups) have this egotistical presuppositional concept that God isn't real (without substantiating it) and basing all arguments on that opinion alone. Yet they tell people that they just don't know to avoid saying God isn't real.
Atheism is a poison to the human intellect.
It promotes itself as rational thinking but
reasons fallaciously.
It declines morals because it loses accountability for its actions.
It tells you that you're smarter than religious people but it is intellectually dishonest when it generalizes.
It plays on the emotions and hope is soon lost.
It cons you into presumptuously believing you're right and encourages you to mock who you think is wrong.
It plays vicious games and promotes a mob mentality.
It strong arms religious people with ridicule and mockery.
It creates bullies.
It claims to be critical but only ensues deception.
It creates stereotypes, bigotry, and a delusion.
It gives you no reason to live. It takes for granted the rest of your life and in your death it leaves you in oblivion.
Atheism is a delusion of grandeur that promotes nothing and dumbs down God out of arrogance and ignorance.
It is a cult of arrogance, fallacious reasoning, intellectual dishonesty, and bigotry.
It whines about mentioning God in an oath to protect our freedom.
It whines about God being printed on its money that will pass briefly through its life.
It deceptively creates itself as powerful yet its cause of popularity is just proof of its inner corruption.
It even deceives its own kind and betrays them.
It tells you it has no faith yet it has no proof to substantiate its opinion.
It projects.
It tells you that you are sane but it controls your voice tricking you into believing you are a free thinker.
It runs from questioning and refuses to learn beyond the brainwashed propaganda it invokes.

What really ticks me off is when atheists keep saying that we have to prove God exists (yet only they can convince themselves), but we that have faith God exists, are not liable to provide anything for them. If we say "God exists", then and only then are we under scrutiny and the burden of proof is on us. Yet atheists consistently call the Bible a fairy tale, or compare God to invisible pink unicorns, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns, and the flying spaghetti monster without substantiating it. When they say they have no evidence for those things just the same as they have no evidence for God, then it becomes a straw man argument because it is a highly exaggerated misrepresentation in comparison used as an argument. It is also an illicit substitution of identities (masked man fallacy) because they see in one perspective that they don't have evidence for one thing and therefore believe the perspective is true in every other situation. This leads to an over all denying the antecedent fallacy. Just because they don't have evidence for something, they refuse to believe it. Which turns into their claim that they can't believe in anything without any evidence, which is a lie because everyone does it every day when we confide in inconsistencies. By making plans ahead of time or acting on a premeditated idea, it is by faith. Faith is a natural part of our thinking processes. We have faith on a daily basis in something that we do not have empirical evidence that it will happen the way we plan it to. Another example of faith is when we are traveling to a destination in hope by faith that we will reach that destination on time. So the whole anti-faith garbage is a cult of logophobic bigots that are too sophophobic and too arrogant to listen and learn how they are wrong but they have faith they are right. These people have some serious denial issues.

Atheism - to be blunt - is a stupid concept.  Here's why:
Free Thought:  Atheists pride themselves in claiming that Atheism is all about free thought.  However, I began to question this for the mere fact that Atheists do not give time to the God concept.  They are quick to dismiss it as a "sky fairy" superstition.  As a critical rational thinker, I am all about investigating, questioning and theorizing.  I could not
 simply state, "There is no God, it is superstition."  This would be intellectually dishonest and a cop out.  Atheism is NOT a haven for free thought.
By quickly dismissing God as a "Sky fairie" or comparing to a ficticious myth, is a hasty generalization. Just another fallacious concept in atheism.

Wow! Great posts. To the point. I didn't want to go into all this stuff so directly. But this entirely describes the posts of jokers like af_newbie, moloch, organofcorti, and others who simply won't look at reality.

It's like these atheist jokers cordoned off a "room" in their brains, separating it from logical thinking, but allowing motor controls to get through, and then barricaded themselves in the room. And it works so well for them that the only things that they can see as logic are the things that they want to see. And on top of that, they have themselves believing that they are right.

Thanks, you guys, for these wonderful descriptions of the dogmas of the religion of atheism.

[BADecker]

Is the size of his brain important or the contributions that he made to science because if it?

Yes. But mostly because of the mistakes he made in those contributions.   

[BADecker]

Hey! Some poison is good for you. Coffee has at least 119 toxins in it... in tiny amounts. But they cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well. The poison in the coffee isn't enough, itself, to hurt you... unless you drink just tons of it.

Atheism is different. It sends the atheist to eternal damnation, eternal death by eternal dying, in pain and agony. and the greatest agony of it is the absence of God.

And if you worship the wrong God? Like you're Christian, what's up if the Muslims are right? :-/

Well, they are right... in a wrong way. They are using fear to keep their numbers increasing. They are living in fear, afraid to stop being Muslim or they will be executed for their backsliding. It's like they are sitting in a pile of sh** and are simply trying to make the best of it.

Muslims in America who haven't experienced the Muslim lands don't see the fear and hate involved right in their own religion. But it can be seen by anyone who delves into the Muslim holy books and finds that Muslim violence is required against people of other religions who adamantly will not be converted to Islam, and against Muslims who convert out.

Christians who understand what Christianity is all about, are free. Christian religious ideals are to help save others. We don't need violence and hate, because if we die, we have a wonderful place with God forever. Because of this, Christians can be peaceful with all people.

[BADecker]

Hey! Some poison is good for you. Coffee has at least 119 toxins in it... in tiny amounts. But they cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well. <snip>

Untrue. "Toxins" in coffee do not cause your immune system to activate, so that you fight off a host of other things as well.

And vaccines don't work either.   

[TPTB_need_war]

Government and socialism is a religion too, but it also has failure modes:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-socialist-lie-that-we-have-had-always-a-growth-economy-since-roosevelt/

Atheism seems to be an erroneous attempt to declare that the humanism of the individual and an absolute truth of logic exists in a vacuum.

[Moloch]

Government and socialism is a religion too, but it also has failure modes:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-socialist-lie-that-we-have-had-always-a-growth-economy-since-roosevelt/

Atheism seems to be an erroneous attempt to declare that the humanism of the individual and an absolute truth of logic exists in a vacuum.

Atheism makes zero claims... zero... nada... nothing = the absence of something

Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity... that's all

[bonski]

Is the size of his brain important or the contributions that he made to science because if it?

Of course his contributions that he made to science, he is one of a kind. But I think still there are people who get jealous when the topic is about him. And I think some of them are here in this thread.