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April 01, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
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The Bohm pilot wave interpretation of quantum theory is the only consistent one that really works and shows us exactly the place of consciousness in the universe.

The Bohm pilot quantum information field is intrinsically a "mental glue” that both acts on classical matter/geometry and reacted back upon by the latter.

Quote from: Deepak Chopra
If you strip away all religious associations, higher consciousness is observational and experiential; the mind looks directly at itself rather than outward at things. Things constitute Maya in the Indian tradition, a word somewhat misleadingly translated as “illusion” but which works better if understood as “appearance” or “distraction.” It also implies impermanence. The world “out there” appears to be self-sustained, distracting us from the truth: Without consciousness, nothing is experienced, either “in here” or “out there.”

Cosmic consciousness, then, isn’t just real—it’s totally necessary. It rescues physics and science in general from a dead end—the total inability to create mind out of matter—and gives it a fresh avenue of investigation.
- See more at: http://www.chopra.com/ccl/what-is-cosmic-consciousness#sthash.X2Fdqqrn.dpuf

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The storage of knowledge is related to consciousness.

Knowledge and consciousness are some of the most important 'phenomena' in understanding life. So what's the mechanism behind them?

In next image this area is the central area of the human holon where ALL levels related with human consciousness are joined. In fact this is the TOTAL person.

- See more at: http://www.mu6.com/consciousness.html
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April 02, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
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The Bohm pilot wave interpretation of quantum theory is the only consistent one that really works and shows us exactly the place of consciousness in the universe.

There are many interpretations of quantum theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
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The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Quantum decoherence (Guido Bacciagaluppi, 2012) groups "approaches to quantum mechanics" into five groups, of which "pilot-wave theories" are one (the others being the Copenhagen interpretation, objective collapse theories, many-world interpretations and modal interpretations).

You claim that the pilot wave interpretations of quantum mechanics is the only one that works but this appear to be an unproved assertion. Upthread I highlighted the Orch OR theory of consciousness. This theory does not use the pilot wave interpretation it uses a competing model of objective collapse.

I have a solid background in mathematics and science but this background does not include quantum mechanics. My understanding, however, is that all of the five "approaches to quantum mechanics" fit with the currently available experimental data making them all a possible but competing visions of reality.  

Pilot wave theory is deterministic. Objective collapse theory is indeterministic. I argued upthread that grounding consciousness in objective collapse theory makes consciousness itself indeterministic and provides a mechanism for free will. It does not appears that this argument can be made with a deterministic pilot wave theory. You appear to have rejected objective collapse theory as false. What is your reasoning for this conclusion?

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April 03, 2016, 04:16:12 AM
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"What you see with your eyes and interpret with your mind, is that the outside world or the inside world?"

My answer:
It is neither the outside world nor the inside world for this is a false dichotomy.

It has to be one or the other othwerise, you deny that inside and outside world exists.

If consciousness arises from the brain as a property of matter, then there is no inside world, and everything is deterministic.

If counsciousness is separate from matter and exists in another plane, then there is no outside world, and only what is experienced exists.

So which one is it?




To view consciousness as arising from the brain is an oversimplification stemming from a flawed conceptualization. Instead the brain should be viewed as a medium or functional scaffolding for consciousness to propagate itself. As there is no coherent boundary dividing biology and not-biology all matter can essentially be viewed in this manner.

Sure but that is what your theory says that it arises from quantum phenomena inside your brain cells, which is in some way part of the brain, and when the brain dies consciousness dies. This means that it's 100% tied to the material world, even if you add interesting words like quantum to it.


Orchestrated objective reduction’ (‘Orch OR’) proposes that consciousness consists of a sequence of discrete events, each being a moment of ‘objective reduction’ (OR) of a quantum state. The theory suggests conscious experience is intrinsically connected to the fine-scale structure of space–time geometry, and that consciousness may be deeply related to the operation of the laws of the universe.

I still dont believe science can explain this because it is still full of circular logic.

You are using now consciousness to explain consciousness, doesn't that seem weird to you? Not to mention totally illogical.  Cheesy

I do not believe this is a mutually exclusive choice and would argue it is a false dichotomy.

As I stated above consciousness may not so much arise from matter as propagate through it.

Think of an ordered series of ripples traveling across a body of water. If we disrupt the medium those ripples are traveling through by removing the water or walling it off the ripples will cease. This outcome does not require us to assume these ripples spontaneously 'arise' from the water. Instead it simply means that the ripples require the water to propagate themselves.

Our consciousness requires a far more ordered medium then a body of water to propagate. If we destroy the brain consciousness ceases. Destroying the medium disrupts the ripples.

To determine if consciousness is deterministic requires us to examine the mechanism the ripples use to propagate. Orchestrated objective reduction’ (‘Orch OR’) proposes that consciousness consists of a sequence of discrete events, each being a moment of ‘objective reduction’ (OR) of a quantum state.

Orch OR is based in objective collapse theory which is one of the five main theoretical offshoots of quantum mechanics. The others are pilot-wave theories, the Copenhagen interpretation, many-world interpretations and modal interpretations. Objective collapse theory is indeterministic thus if Orch OR theory is correct consciousness is likely indeterministic with regards to traditional causality.

All attempts to understand consciousness must by necessity use consciousness to try and explain consciousness.

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April 04, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
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I argued upthread that grounding consciousness in objective collapse theory makes consciousness itself indeterministic and provides a mechanism for free will. It does not appears that this argument can be made with a deterministic pilot wave theory. You appear to have rejected objective collapse theory as false. What is your reasoning for this conclusion?

Quantum theory cannot explain the physical nature of consciousness.

See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AipdgHRtI

I recommend that you find all of the latest poignant studies from this researcher; he seems to be on the right track:
https://www.facebook.com/jack.sarfatti

Also relevant:
http://prce.hu/centre_for_time/jtf/retro.html
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April 05, 2016, 06:33:21 AM
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Atheists are probably more intelligent than religious people because they benefit from many social conditions that happen to be correlated with loss of religious belief.
 When one looks at this phenomenon from the point of view of comparisons between countries, it is not hard to figure out possible reasons that more intelligent countries have more atheists as Richard Lynn (2009) reported. Wink Wink
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April 05, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
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Atheists are probably more intelligent than religious people because they benefit from many social conditions that happen to be correlated with loss of religious belief.
 When one looks at this phenomenon from the point of view of comparisons between countries, it is not hard to figure out possible reasons that more intelligent countries have more atheists as Richard Lynn (2009) reported. Wink Wink

This only makes the atheists mistakes about the truth to be more intelligent mistakes.

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Is there anything that people do NOT know? Does everyone know everything? Silly questions, right?

Our knowledge, knowledge that is absolute fact, is a fraction of that which is available to know. As we gather knowledge little by little, we ofter formulate many opinions about that which we have found out.

Why should we wait around for science to tell us the details about God? Most of these details will forever be something that science will not be able to discern, anyway. Rather, now that science and nature have shown us that God exists, let's look for things that God has been telling us. Let's understand the logic of them, rather than waiting around for the next hundred thousand years until science can tell us a little.

This is what Christianity is all about. It is about God talking to us, showing us things that we could never find out through science, so that we have the opportunity to gain eternal life in peace and joy, a thing that science might never be able to prove in a million years, even though it is the absolute truth.

Tired of this user keep on appealing to ignorance and filling the answers with god of the gaps.
So that's why you don't reply much. You are tired.

What do you mean by "god of the gaps?"

Try using google, asshole... here, I'll do it for you to show you how it's done:
https://www.google.com/search?q=god+of+the+gaps

You only make yourself look ignorant by asking stupid questions (and beginning every single post with an insult)
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The post below highlights a number of interesting concepts.

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Our total reality and total existence are beautiful and meaningful . . . . We should judge reality by the little which we truly know of it. We have concluded that the awareness is the finest and greatest item in this world based on the practical analysis here itself. If the practical experience is neglected, the logic will lose its basis...

Now I will also quote Gödel and Chopra for their very helpful comments on this difficult discussion:

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It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
- See more at: http://www.chopra.com/ccl/what-is-cosmic-consciousness#sthash.qAGM6TT1.dpuf

Now all of this is according to the "philosophical viewpoint" of the most brilliant mathematician of the 20th century:
Quote from: Kurt Gödel
The world is rational.
Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through certain techniques).
There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems.
There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.

There is incomparably more knowable a priori that is currently known.
The development of human thought since the Renaissance is thoroughly one-dimensional.
Reason in mankind will be developed in every direction.
Formal rights comprise a real science.
Materialism is false.
The higher beings are connected to the others by analogy, not by composition.
Concepts have an objective existence.
There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly fruitful for science.
Religions are, for the most part, bad—but religion is not.
I now present more fascinating and salient quotes from this mathematical genius:
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"The brain is a computing machine connected with a spirit."

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Positivists decline to acknowledge any a priori knowledge. They wish to reduce everything to sense perceptions. Generally they contradict themselves in that they deny introspection as experience. … They use too narrow a notion of experience and introduce an arbitrary bound on what experience is

One bad effect of logical positivism is its claim of being intimately associated with mathematical logic. As a result, other philosophers tend to distance themselves from mathematical logic and therewith deprive themselves of the benefits of a precise way of thinking.

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What I call the theological worldview is the idea that the world and everything in it has meaning and reason, and in particular a good and indubitable meaning. It follows immediately that our worldly existence, since it has in itself at most a very dubious meaning, can only be means to the end of another existence. The idea that everything in the world has a meaning [reason] is an exact analogue of the principle that everything has a cause, on which rests all of science.
Source: http://kevincarmody.com/math/goedel.html

Why would awareness come from nothing and return to nothingness?
Would it not make more sense to say that awareness comes from a sort of non-awareness and returns to non-awareness in a cycle?
What is so difficult about accepting the possibility of another existence under conditions of material non-being? And the endlessness of these cycles?

What is so funny about all of this talk of "scientific proof" is that skeptics apply different standards of proof for parapsychological research and mainstream science. I strongly advise anyone to browse the spiritual development site to discover the facts behind skeptical misdirection, eminent researchers, etc.

I too wish that others will understand the debate, so I am putting forward the facts. One final fact I want to mention: For any authority, the final stage is experience, which alone gives validity... Matter does not force upon us a belief and neither does science have much to say about death; we know for sure that it is a miracle to be alive if indeed the true home of our minds is annihilation (i.e. non-existence or nothingness). Gödel agrees that simple mechanism cannot yield the mind, and that the mind did not arise in the Darwinian manner. That home which gave birth to... mind "out of nowhere" (can be) described as both "pre-existing" (quantum fields) and "nothingness" (an absence of any thing), but it cannot be both! If it were, then our existence would be scientific proof of a miracle.


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The standard dogma is that consciousness emerges from complex computation among brain neurons and synapses acting like ‘bits’ and switches; I will point you to four reasons given by Hammeroff for doubting the standard dogma; the implication is that the brain is acting more like a receiver of consciousness than a generator of counsciousness;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stuart-hameroff/darwin-versus-deepak-whic_b_7481048.html

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April 10, 2016, 01:03:26 PM
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Combining the above insights leads us to the idea that the world around us indeed the entire universe is simply the projection of a deeper fundamental reality. A universe with consciousness, as its ultimate teleology...
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If it's true, then forces like gravity and physics entire can just be thrown in a trash can.

Because they only explain the interaction of the projected things on the canvas, but they can never explain the canvas itself.

Every time such a claim is made, someone shows a way to route around the limitation.

Qwik2learn above draws our attention to the mathematician Kurt Godel who is famous for his incompleteness theorems.

First incompleteness theorem
Any consistent formal system F within which a certain amount of elementary arithmetic can be carried out is incomplete; i.e., there are statements of the language of F which can neither be proved nor disproved in F.

Second incompleteness theorem
For any consistent system F within which a certain amount of elementary arithmetic can be carried out, the consistency of F cannot be proved in F itself.

A formal system is consistent if there is no statement such that the statement itself and its negation are both derivable in the system.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/#Int

Godels incompleteness theorem tells us that for any overarching logical system no mater how complete there will exist unprovable assertions which if assumed true will require a priori knowledge (truths which are assumed but cannot be proven from within the system).

With this in mind the logical course of action is to work to minimize our reliance on such assumptions via logic and scientific inquiry while ensuring that our chosen system is not inconsistent for it is an elementary fact of logic that in an inconsistent formal system every statement is derivable, and consequently, such a system is trivially complete (and useless).

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April 12, 2016, 10:04:17 AM
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Atheism and IQ

Mormons may also have some immunity the detrimental effect IQ on fertility. In the general population increasing income (highly correlated with IQ) is associated with both declining fertility and declining religious commitment. In Mormons the reverse is true. Mormon fertility is positively correlated with income and Mormons with higher levels of formal education tend to be more religiously committed.

On multiple religious measures Mormons stand out for having exceptionally high levels of religious commitment. More than nine-in-ten Mormons report a belief in God and that the Bible is the word of God. Mormons are also very observant in their religious practices with more than eight-in-ten praying daily. Mormons strongly support a strict interpretation of their faith and the preservation of traditional beliefs and practices.


From my experience of a best friend who is Mormon in the UK, I can only say that she was highly motivated to find a fellow Morman guy to marry and had a criteria of being very religious, fit and attractive but also wealthy. She said that her motivation for a wealthy husband was not standard greed (as this was anathema to her religious views) but was mostly due to their want/need to give the church 10% of their earnings straight from their wages. The fact she wanted a fit and healthy husband was also in part due to her wanting to have a large family and needing a husband who could not only provide financially for that but also to help keep up with the strains of a large household.
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From my experience of a best friend who is Mormon in the UK, I can only say that she was highly motivated to find a fellow Morman guy to marry and had a criteria of being very religious, fit and attractive but also wealthy. She said that her motivation for a wealthy husband was not standard greed (as this was anathema to her religious views) but was mostly due to their want/need to give the church 10% of their earnings straight from their wages. The fact she wanted a fit and healthy husband was also in part due to her wanting to have a large family and needing a husband who could not only provide financially for that but also to help keep up with the strains of a large household.

Sounds like your friend is a very smart lady. Hopefully she succeeded in her goals. Increasingly finding a suitable partner for marriage is becoming very difficult for both genders. The financial risks of marriage in the US are causing large swaths of otherwise successful young men to opt out of marriage altogether. Women are often misguided into sacrificing personal life on the alter of professionalism until it is too late to have a large family even if they wanted one.  

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

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Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future,
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“The ones who are very serious get married early. And that leaves the majority of the girls, then, by the time they’re 25 and into their first jobs, the pickings are very, very slim for them."

If you want to read a bunch of post by angry men who have opted out of the marriage market read the comments at the bottom of that news article above. Most of them are angry manosphere folks. The manosphere movement appears to be rapidly morphing into the male version of feminism. When you think that for every one of those angry unmarried men there is probably a matching angry unmarried feminist the toxic nature of modern culture comes into focus. The youth are opting to avoid marriage and families altogether. What are they doing instead? Well increasingly they appear to be celebratory participants in the hedonistic dating apocalypse

Quote from: vanityfair
It’s setting up two or three Tinder dates a week and, chances are, sleeping with all of them, so you could rack up 100 girls you’ve slept with in a year.”

He says that he himself has slept with five different women he met on Tinder—“Tinderellas,” the guys call them—in the last eight days. “Brittany, Morgan, Amber,” Marty says, counting on his fingers. “Oh, and the Russian—Ukrainian?”

But Marty, who prefers Hinge to Tinder (“Hinge is my thing”), is no slouch at “racking up girls.” He says he’s slept with 30 to 40 women in the last year. “I sort of play that I could be a boyfriend kind of guy,” in order to win them over, “but then they start wanting me to care more … and I just don’t.”

“There is no dating. There’s no relationships,” says Amanda, the tall elegant one. “They’re rare. You can have a fling that could last like seven, eight months and you could never actually call someone your ‘boyfriend.’ [Hooking up] is a lot easier. No one gets hurt—well, not on the surface. It’s a contest to see who cares less, and guys win a lot at caring less,” Amanda says."

“But if you say any of this out loud, it’s like you’re weak, you’re not independent, you somehow missed the whole memo about third-wave feminism,” says Amanda.

“When it’s so easy, when it’s so available to you,” Brian says intensely, “and you can meet somebody and fuck them in 20 minutes, it’s very hard to contain yourself.”

Rebecca, the blonde with the canny eyes, also mentioned above, hooked up with someone, too. “It was O.K.” She shrugs. “Right after it was done, it was kind of like, mmmp … mmmp.” She gives a little grunt of disappointment.

“It’s a confidence booster,” says Jessica, 21, the one who looks like a Swedish tennis player.

Sad, tragic, and terribly unhealthy all around for both genders.

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Tinder Social: App launches tool to let people go on 'dates' in groups
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/tinder-social-app-launches-tool-to-let-people-go-on-dates-in-groups-a7003721.html

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people have already pointed out that since Tinder is often used for casual sex, the feature appears to be useful for finding people to engage in group sex with.

The company announced the feature with a blog post that said it was a way of taking “an average night out with your friends to the next level”.

I guess random hookups get boring after a while so tinder has to take things to their 'next level'. The challenge for a parent in this day and age is how to best immunize children against against the increasing amount of sewage that is being dumped on everyone (especially the young) on a daily basis.

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Tinder Social: App launches tool to let people go on 'dates' in groups
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/tinder-social-app-launches-tool-to-let-people-go-on-dates-in-groups-a7003721.html

Quote from: independent.co.uk
people have already pointed out that since Tinder is often used for casual sex, the feature appears to be useful for finding people to engage in group sex with.

The company announced the feature with a blog post that said it was a way of taking “an average night out with your friends to the next level”.

I guess random hookups get boring after a while so tinder has to take things to their 'next level'. The challenge for a parent in this day an age is how to best immunize children against against the increasing amount of sewage that is being dumped on everyone (especially the young) on a daily basis.

Move to Belize.    Cool

EDIT: Let the dead in America bury their own dead.

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Move to Belize.    Cool

EDIT: Let the dead in America bury their own dead.

Belize huh?

Humm that is not a country I have much familiarity with.
I read the Wikipedia article on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize

I did not know there were any former English colonies in Central America or any where English is the official language. While I am not interested in moving at this moment I will add it to my to do list of countries to visit. It looks interesting.

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Move to Belize.    Cool

EDIT: Let the dead in America bury their own dead.

Belize huh?

Humm that is not a country I have much familiarity with.
I read the Wikipedia article on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize

I did not know there were any former English colonies in Central America or any where English is the official language. While I am not interested in moving at this moment I will add it to my to do list of countries to visit. It looks interesting.

The best thing about Belize is that it has English common law as its basic form of law... same as U.S. (almost), Britain, Canada, and Australia.

Essentially, in every complaint and claim, you get a 12-person jury if you want it. The jury has the right to overrule all the laws in your particular case. The place you need to go for this in the 4 countries (not including the U.S.) is the part of court called Queens Bench.

Because of sovereign immunity, and because you are a sovereign like the Queen, that's why it is called Queens Bench. The U.S. doesn't have this because they don't have the monarchy.

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A couple of interesting news article today related to health and totalitarianism

"Why Our Children Should Hate Us" - Read The Lance Simmens Article Banned By The Huffington Post
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-28/why-our-children-should-hate-us-read-lance-simmens-article-banned-huffington-post

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Although Lance Simmens has been intimately involved in public life for several decades, you’ve probably never heard of him. As such, a little introduction is needed.

As mentioned, Lance Simmens’ career was spent in public policy. Specifically, he worked for two U.S. Presidents as well as a couple of senators and governors. Since retirement, he’s been a prolific writer, publishing 180 articles at the Huffington Post over the past 8 years. As such, it came as a great shock to him to discover that one of his recent articles was removed by the Huffington Post shortly after publication. It was the first article ever rejected by the online publication, and the unacceptable subject matter was nothing more than a positive review of the banned everywhere documentary VAXXED.


Icegate: Now NSIDC Caught Tampering With Climate Records
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/28/icegate-now-nsidc-caught-tampering-with-climate-records/

Quote from: Breitbart
NSIDC’s comprised a press release a few weeks ago claiming that 5+ year old sea ice is at its smallest level on record. To prove it, they’ve produced a new chart...

But according to Steven Goddard of the Real Science website this claim needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt... they’ve gone and deleted all the old style maps from their archive.

At least they thought they had.

But a sharp eyed reader of Goddard’s managed to find one old style map that NSIDC had forgotten to delete. This enabled Goddard to compare the new style map with an old style map for the same week. What he discovered is that NSIDC has been making some dramatic and unexplained adjustments to the record: about half the 5+ year sea ice which should be there, for example, has been mysteriously erased.

When debate is censored and forbidden and scientific data is 'corrected' to fit the approved narratives one knows we are living in very dangerous times. In the words of C.S. Lewis

Quote from: C.S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive


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Jump in STDs Due to Unknown Online Dating?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/10/jump-in-stds-could-be-due-to-unknown-online-dating-partners/

In 2014, 1.4 million cases of chlamydia were reported in the USA – a 2.8 percent increase over the prior year, while 350,062 cases of gonorrhea were reported – an increase of 5.1 percent since 2013.

Similarly, nearly 20,000 primary and secondary syphilis cases were reported in 2014, a hike of 15.1 percent since 2013, while 458 cases of congenital syphilis were discovered and reported – a 27.5 percent increase over the prior year.

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The increasing number of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) seen nationwide could be due to the fact that more Americans are using online and mobile dating sites where it is difficult to know who is already afflicted with STDs, an expert says.

“Public health succeeds by tracking the partner and getting that person treated,” says Dr. Peter Beilenson, CEO of Evergreen Health, reports local Fox News in Baltimore. “And with online dating and people not even knowing who the person is, if you come down with chlamydia or gonorrhea, let’s say, and you want to make sure you treat the partner, there’s no way of knowing who the partner is.”

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STD's in Canada increase in 2015
http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/9781762

The Alberta government says anonymous hook-ups arranged on social media are the major reason for a dramatic spike in sexually transmitted infections in the province.

Cases of gonorrhea last year were up 80 per cent from 2014 and are the highest since the late 1980s.

The number of cases of infectious syphilis doubled in 2015 from 2014.

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HIV cases

http://hiphopwired.com/2016/05/06/cdc-says-atlanta-hiv-epidemic-bad-third-world-african-countries/
CDC Says Atlanta Has HIV Epidemic As Bad As Third World African Countries
“Downtown Atlanta is as bad as Zimbabwe or Harare or Durban,” via a statement from Dr. Carlos del Rio, co-director of Emory University’s Center for AIDS Research. In 2014 it was reported that Atlanta had the fifth highest rate of new HIV infections.

http://www.fox9.com/health/133442642-story
The Minnesota Department of Health (MDH) said the total number HIV cases among 20- to 29-year-olds increased by 24 percent.

http://www.ibtimes.com/feel-burn-ads-std-testing-arrive-dc-la-mirror-bernie-sanders-campaign-logo-2358550
The Rhode Island Department of Health attributed "social networks" to a 33 percent increase in HIV cases

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http://hiphopwired.com/2016/05/06/cdc-says-atlanta-hiv-epidemic-bad-third-world-african-countries/
CDC Says Atlanta Has HIV Epidemic As Bad As Third World African Countries
“Downtown Atlanta is as bad as Zimbabwe or Harare or Durban,” via a statement from Dr. Carlos del Rio, co-director of Emory University’s Center for AIDS Research. In 2014 it was reported that Atlanta had the fifth highest rate of new HIV infections.

http://www.fox9.com/health/133442642-story
The Minnesota Department of Health (MDH) said the total number HIV cases among 20- to 29-year-olds increased by 24 percent.

http://www.ibtimes.com/feel-burn-ads-std-testing-arrive-dc-la-mirror-bernie-sanders-campaign-logo-2358550
The Rhode Island Department of Health attributed "social networks" to a 33 percent increase in HIV cases


Unfortunately in Africa the increase is due to ignorance and culture of certain people
early marriages are very common which affect more girls, many girls leave school early because they have to get married, all because their culture says that "the gods rule the roost"

See people with old age married with children, spent many years people continue to believe in nonsense " gods " Angry

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