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In fact, Ferrari did not start the 2023 season well, but I agree with Sainz's statement when he stated that they are working hard to find answers to the problems faced and try to balance the dispute with Red Bull in the next races.
I've been a big fan of Ferrari since before the championship started, but unfortunately in the first five races of the year, the best result that the Italian team achieved was Leclerc's third place in the Azerbaijan GP. Ferrari is only fourth in the constructors' championship with 78 points.

It is a pity that the Emilia-Romagna GP was cancelled, as Ferrari had the opportunity to contest three consecutive races at home, but there are still two left and the support of the fans must be fundamental to encourage Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz to seek good results .

It will take years for Ferrari to find their answers and catch up with Red Bull. Even Vasseur admits that they might struggle in the next few years to be able to stay on the top board and compete with other teams. But even so, Ferrari still has the potential to be able to get back to their glory days. They have assets and a principal team that understands how to communicate well with their drivers. This can be the key for Ferrari to be able to get the world title, after they can solve various problems with their car, and many people are optimistic about this.

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[FanEagle]

Ferrari just had a "bad" start due to unlucky results, like crashes and so forth, not because their car was bad, that is different. Red Bull could have crashed as well, if other driver hits you and puts you into the dirt then there is nothing you can do, the car is not built to get out of there, it's built to drive on the road, so when you once get in there, you can't get out and your car is gone. This is why it's important to remember that the best thing to do would be making sure that you do not have it again on next races.

We have seen that they are as good as third team and possibly second best team and that means if they can finish the races, both of them at the same time, then they are going to go back to being the second best team in points again.

[swogerino]

Ferrari just had a "bad" start due to unlucky results, like crashes and so forth, not because their car was bad, that is different. Red Bull could have crashed as well, if other driver hits you and puts you into the dirt then there is nothing you can do, the car is not built to get out of there, it's built to drive on the road, so when you once get in there, you can't get out and your car is gone. This is why it's important to remember that the best thing to do would be making sure that you do not have it again on next races.

We have seen that they are as good as third team and possibly second best team and that means if they can finish the races, both of them at the same time, then they are going to go back to being the second best team in points again.

They also need to greatly improve their tire management as we saw in this last race in Miami that Verstappen just made the stop because the regulation says so or he could as well have ended the race on the hard tire compound as the tires were behaving extremely well and they are very gentle in Redbull while in Ferrari Sainz is complaining every single race for tire degradation that is happening way to fast at Ferrari.I am sure they have a great car and they were about to show us the "massive" performance upgrade before this race was cancelled so we have to wait further to see this upgrade in action.

[Distraction]

Apart from Ferrari's being still a problematic team I would like to point out a fact about Leclerc also. It really started to feel like Leclerc will have a huge difficulty in winning a championship even if his car gets faster than Red Bull's. Because the number of simple mistakes he makes continues to increase. The Azerbaijan GP weekend must be one of the greatest examples for that.

He literally made the same mistake twice in free practice and qualifying sessions. He also stated his sorrow about these mistakes. He needs to get over these things as soon as possible. He needs to be a much more concentrated driver than this. Because Formula 1 is a sport that really doesn't forgive this kind of mistakes.

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Apart from Ferrari's being still a problematic team I would like to point out a fact about Leclerc also. It really started to feel like Leclerc will have a huge difficulty in winning a championship even if his car gets faster than Red Bull's. Because the number of simple mistakes he makes continues to increase. The Azerbaijan GP weekend must be one of the greatest examples for that.

When you have and underperforming car is easier to make mistakes.
Look at Verstappen years ago and how many mistakes he was doing before having a competitive RedBull.

When you have a competitive car you can even go slower because you know that later in the races they can't do anything to beat you while if you have and underperforming car you need to give 100% at every turn and it is easier to make mistakes.

[jakdanyel]

According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

But it is said that they couldn't reach an agreement for now due to the financial details of a new contract. Most probably Mercedes don't want to offer a contract similar to the old ones and Hamilton demands a lot of money from them. But I don't know if Mercedes are ready yet to let Hamilton go this easy. Having two solid drivers is very advantageous for them in the end.

If Hamilton leaves I wonder who Mercedes' choice would be. Ricciardo or Mick? Honestly my choice would be Ricciardo as he is much more experienced and skilled.

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According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

But it is said that they couldn't reach an agreement for now due to the financial details of a new contract. Most probably Mercedes don't want to offer a contract similar to the old ones and Hamilton demands a lot of money from them. But I don't know if Mercedes are ready yet to let Hamilton go this easy. Having two solid drivers is very advantageous for them in the end.

If Hamilton leaves I wonder who Mercedes' choice would be. Ricciardo or Mick? Honestly my choice would be Ricciardo as he is much more experienced and skilled.

I don't think Hamilton has so many choices, he will probably stay there or he will end his competitive opportunity to win a title.

HE can only stay there or go to Ferrari, otherwise he can win no more.

[swogerino]

According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

But it is said that they couldn't reach an agreement for now due to the financial details of a new contract. Most probably Mercedes don't want to offer a contract similar to the old ones and Hamilton demands a lot of money from them. But I don't know if Mercedes are ready yet to let Hamilton go this easy. Having two solid drivers is very advantageous for them in the end.

If Hamilton leaves I wonder who Mercedes' choice would be. Ricciardo or Mick? Honestly my choice would be Ricciardo as he is much more experienced and skilled.

I don't think Hamilton has so many choices, he will probably stay there or he will end his competitive opportunity to win a title.

HE can only stay there or go to Ferrari, otherwise he can win no more.

Most likely this is how it is going to be for him as I don't see any opportunity for him to be joining Max Verstappen in Redbull.The reason to be that most likely Redbull team would not love to remove a team mate like Perez for Verstappen which 99% of the times Verstappen can beat him and only 1% can lose to him while against Hamilton we don't know how will these two drivers be performing against each other and most likely would create problems to the team rather than solving them.

So for me the best Hamilton can do is to swap place with one of the Ferrari drivers as honestly I would love to see him driving a Ferrari as an end to his career,based on what he has given to F1 he surely deserve it.

[FanEagle]

According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

But it is said that they couldn't reach an agreement for now due to the financial details of a new contract. Most probably Mercedes don't want to offer a contract similar to the old ones and Hamilton demands a lot of money from them. But I don't know if Mercedes are ready yet to let Hamilton go this easy. Having two solid drivers is very advantageous for them in the end.

If Hamilton leaves I wonder who Mercedes' choice would be. Ricciardo or Mick? Honestly my choice would be Ricciardo as he is much more experienced and skilled.

I think what people need to remember is that Mercedes is not getting what they are paying for Hamilton anymore, not just because of him obviously and because of the car as well, but the reality is simple, he is no longer a 40-50 million dollar contract guy, the car is not that good so why should they pay him, if only argument for Hamilton is that it is not his fault, they can find someone else to drive a terrible car for much cheaper as well.

However, from Hamiltons point of view we are talking about someone who won so many titles for Mercedes and that means on some of the years he won, he was underpaid, so even when he is not making them money this season or next, they should pay him out of loyalty if nothing else. I am sure they will figure out a middle ground and sign it soon.

[Velvet78]

In my opinion it looks really difficult for Hamilton to reach his eight world title from now on. Because Red Bull are way ahead of any other team remaining right now. And it looks like this gap among these teams is likely to get bigger in time. Because I don't see any team keeping up with Red Bull's development pace either. It is like a new domination era by Red Bull this time.

Mercedes and Ferrari both are far away from their potential right now. As long as Mercedes don't give a fast car to Hamilton he had better just forget about being champion from now on. There wouldn't be any need for him to push more in that case.

[LTU_btc]

If you're missing F1 too much, F1 made cool thing and uploaded some iconic full races to Youtube. For example, 2005 race in Imola and epic fight between young Alonso and Schumacher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflJGN9YByM And that sound of cars.
Or 2021 Emilia Romagnia GP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbXYF5N5Ws Tomorrow they will stream 2008 rainy Monaco GP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRLYSsldne4
Meanwhile cancelation of this GP can be beneficial for teams as it will et let them to savesome money.

[retreat]

According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

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Mercedes knows that Hamilton is currently a good driver for their car, maybe until now they have not found a potential driver to drive their car. Moreover, even though Hamilton is quite old, his performance is not far behind compared to young drivers, even though until now he has not been able to keep up with Verstappen, but his performance is still stable in 4th place now and that might be a consideration for Mercedes.

[swogerino]

According to some recent news Mercedes and Hamilton sat at the table to discuss terms about a new contract. If I'm not mistaken this is his last year at Mercedes. But it doesn't seem like he is getting the 8th world championship in his career now. Mercedes are way behind Red Bull now so there is really no way to do it. But Hamilton can still stay longer to give another chance to Mercedes for improving more.

-snip-

Mercedes knows that Hamilton is currently a good driver for their car, maybe until now they have not found a potential driver to drive their car. Moreover, even though Hamilton is quite old, his performance is not far behind compared to young drivers, even though until now he has not been able to keep up with Verstappen, but his performance is still stable in 4th place now and that might be a consideration for Mercedes.

I don't think Mercedes will improve to the point to give Hamilton a dominating car like he had many years with them which gave him 6 world titles.Therefore for me it is better if he can swap places with one of the Ferrari drivers and as I said because what he gave to F1 in general he deserve to race one or two seasons with a legendary car like Ferrari which I am sure they will be improving their car,not to be the best one but to be able to fight with others and for this they need a very talented driver which Hamilton surely is.He deserve that 8th world title with a new car and what better car than Ferrari.

[Davian144]

In two days factory Ducati and Yamaha will take steps to set up private testing at Italy's Mugello circuit before the race takes place there next month. This is done by these two manufacturers for a better goal and also to find out where their motorbikes have been weak so far. And those who will appear there are two tider tests that have been quite famous so far, namely Cal Crutchlow for Yamaha and Michele Pirro for Ducati. Source: gpone.com

[swogerino]

So what do you guys think about Honda power units,powering up Alonso car in 2026 as they at Aston Martin will use the Honda power unit starting from that year.I think all the F1 fans remember the GP2 engine,GP2 engine Alonso complaints back when he was at McLaren but I think that he will not be complaining now as it is the exact engine that is skyrocketing the Redbull to three consecutive titles so far as I think this year we will not have someone to contest Redbull and most likely up until the end of the season we will see a Redbull dominance.

I hope Alonso does not retire until then so he will have a chance to win his third title at a very old age which would be unique for F1.

[coinlocket$]

Mercedes started restyling their car.
From Monaco, you will see a car more similar to RBR.

Rain is possible on sunday

[alegotardo]

Mercedes started restyling their car.
From Monaco, you will see a car more similar to RBR.

Rain is possible on sunday

Finally, Mercedes ended part of the mystery by bringing the new W14 to finally leave the zeropod behind.

But, I'm honestly not expecting big changes in performance as even Toto Wolff assured that the improvements won't be a "silver bullet" for the Monaco GP, so I prefer to be cautious in my bets before putting all my chips in Hammilton .
Even so, I certainly believe that the improvements to the W14 are crucial and very important to improve Mercedes' performance not only on the track but also off them, as it is good for Lewis Hamilton that Mercedes continues to bring innovations and captivate the driver to continue in the team and renew the contract that expires at the end of this season. Ferrari is already eyeing him!

[swogerino]

Rain is possible on sunday

We all hope for rain in a lot of races as it increases the beauty of the race itself as a lot of unpredictable stuff happens.When all this happen in normal race tracks that are not as narrow as Monaco is,I only imagine that in this track if rain comes will be great for all of us F1 fans.

For any car that try to resemble Redbull they will never surpass Redbull in performance as Redbull has the best aerodynamics engineer that has over 20-30 years experience in F1,I don't remember well but is in F1 since Hakkinen times so you can't fight Redbull this way,maximum you will upgrade your own performance but not surpassing Redbull.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCK3mI5P5XU&t=408s

It was very interesting to see the two Leclercs sit down together discussing some of the racing stuff and how prepared they are to race on their home circuit. There are many things that made Arthur interested in F1 and it seems he is quite interested in getting into F1. In my opinion, there is a lot of potential between the two Leclercs and it would be very interesting to see them both competing in F1 with different teams. what do you think?

[boltz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCK3mI5P5XU&t=408s

It was very interesting to see the two Leclercs sit down together discussing some of the racing stuff and how prepared they are to race on their home circuit. There are many things that made Arthur interested in F1 and it seems he is quite interested in getting into F1. In my opinion, there is a lot of potential between the two Leclercs and it would be very interesting to see them both competing in F1 with different teams. what do you think?

Arthur has potential for F1 , but does it have the money ? Because we all know what F1 is about nowadays. But I were to chose between them , I would go with Charles just because he seems a complete driver than his little brother but Charles has no luck...and you need a bit of luck in F1 if you want to succeed.

Don't forget that Montoya currently is locked to be in F1 season at some point and his dad is trying everything he can in order to bring him in F1 because he has the sponsors , the skills and also the money.