Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[boltz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCK3mI5P5XU&t=408s

It was very interesting to see the two Leclercs sit down together discussing some of the racing stuff and how prepared they are to race on their home circuit. There are many things that made Arthur interested in F1 and it seems he is quite interested in getting into F1. In my opinion, there is a lot of potential between the two Leclercs and it would be very interesting to see them both competing in F1 with different teams. what do you think?

Arthur has potential for F1 , but does it have the money ? Because we all know what F1 is about nowadays. But I were to chose between them , I would go with Charles just because he seems a complete driver than his little brother but Charles has no luck...and you need a bit of luck in F1 if you want to succeed.

Don't forget that Montoya currently is locked to be in F1 season at some point and his dad is trying everything he can in order to bring him in F1 because he has the sponsors , the skills and also the money.

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Pos    Driver    Nat.   Team    Time
1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m13.372s
2   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m13.710s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m14.035s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m14.038s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.093s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m14.224s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m14.467s
8   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m14.585s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m14.653s
10   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m14.666s
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m14.718s
12   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m14.725s
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m14.820s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m14.866s
15   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m15.066s
16   Nyck de Vries   NED   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m15.083s
17   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m15.192s
18   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m15.557s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m15.684s
20   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m15.785s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1026853/1/f1-2023-monaco-grand-prix-friday-practice-results


1st hour is done, teams are very close so far.

we got 2 red flags for hitting walls.

[Davian144]

Alfa Romeo racer, Valtteri Bottas wanted to revive the Kymiring circuit project which had been delayed so that Dorna had several times canceled the circuit to hold races because there were still many things that had to be completed apart from the regulations from Dorna itself for the circuit. Additionally, the first two attempts to host the event failed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Plans to hold closed races were disrupted by the unfinished construction of the paddock and road access. Source: id.motorsport.com

[emrecemsan]

It looks like it will be such a tight qualifying session if we don't see any accident during it. Because we have FP2 results in hand as well and there is a really slight time gap between Verstappen and Leclerc at top - 0.065s. To tell the truth I'm still expecting Sainz to prepare for a strong attack in the qualifying session because he has also seemed quite fast so far. But my favourite driver to take pole position is Leclerc now. Even though Red Bull is the strongest team on the grid things change a lot in Monaco.

The reason why is that Monaco track is completely different from all others. Cornering performance is the most important factor here. Right now Ferrari seems faster at turns rather than straights in comparison to Red Bull. This is just the track for Ferrari with a downforce focused car setup. I hope Leclerc doesn't mess up his weekend while pushing to the limit in the qualifying session tomorrow.

[boltz]

Sainz finally has some ego in him and it was about time! Now , he needs to keep this pace during races and this might safe his seat in Ferrari for next season because if he won't perform at least decent this year , I'm afraid his contract will end sooner than 2026 and same goes for Leclerc. I mean , we all know Ferrari doesn't have a competitive car this year but they do have a car that they could finish 3rd and so far , they will be 4th place.

This special livery for McLaren for Monaco GP is absolutely amazing and I love it! The story behind it , is that they are champions of triple crown ; LeMans, Indy and F1 Monaco GP.

[swogerino]

Sainz finally has some ego in him and it was about time! Now , he needs to keep this pace during races and this might safe his seat in Ferrari for next season because if he won't perform at least decent this year , I'm afraid his contract will end sooner than 2026 and same goes for Leclerc. I mean , we all know Ferrari doesn't have a competitive car this year but they do have a car that they could finish 3rd and so far , they will be 4th place.

This special livery for McLaren for Monaco GP is absolutely amazing and I love it! The story behind it , is that they are champions of triple crown ; LeMans, Indy and F1 Monaco GP.

The special livery is also because they have won the Monaco GP more than any other teams in the F1,5 wins Prost,4 Senna,2 Coulthard,1 Hakkinen,1 Raikkonen and 1 Lewis Hamilton.

In the free practices looks like Ferrari is right there behind Max Verstappen and if this was to be the true form for Ferrari also in the race it would be perfect.A little rain tomorrow might make the qualifying awesome as in rain and a track like Monaco is not the car that makes the difference but the driver and I would love to see a rainy qualifying tomorrow.

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Free practice 2 completed, and Ferrari is very competitive here on this track like the previous years.


2023 F1 MONACO GRAND PRIX - FREE PRACTICE RESULTS (2)
POS    DRIVER    NAT.   TEAM    TIME
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m12.462s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m12.527s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m12.569s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m12.682s
5   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m12.906s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m12.960s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m12.991s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m13.050s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m13.089s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m13.162s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m13.185s
12   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m13.191s
13   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m13.354s
14   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m13.457s
15   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m13.520s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m13.641s
17   Nyck de Vries   NED   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m13.663s
18   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m13.673s
19   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m14.217s
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m14.238s   

Source https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1026853/1/f1-2023-monaco-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

[boltz]

Alonso really had a very solid qualifying session and almost had a pole but Max snatched it from him in the last moment which once again proves that he is indeed one of the greatest even if the car is helping him a lot.

Tomorrow , I have a feeling that we might see more than 1 Safety car deployed during the race and if somehow we have an incident in front , I think we are up for a surprise winner if not , Max will secure it easily. 

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Verstappen got the pole position with Alonso in second place and Leclerc in third place.

If nothing happens it will be an easy win again for RBR in this track

[püsür]

It looks like it will be such a tight qualifying session if we don't see any accident during it. Because we have FP2 results in hand as well and there is a really slight time gap between Verstappen and Leclerc at top - 0.065s. To tell the truth I'm still expecting Sainz to prepare for a strong attack in the qualifying session because he has also seemed quite fast so far. But my favourite driver to take pole position is Leclerc now. Even though Red Bull is the strongest team on the grid things change a lot in Monaco.

The reason why is that Monaco track is completely different from all others. Cornering performance is the most important factor here. Right now Ferrari seems faster at turns rather than straights in comparison to Red Bull. This is just the track for Ferrari with a downforce focused car setup. I hope Leclerc doesn't mess up his weekend while pushing to the limit in the qualifying session tomorrow.

Verstappen, which entered the last sector by 0.204, closed ahead by 0.084. I don't understand how he drove in that last sector without rubbing against the walls. 1-2 people have said that the last sector success was due to the car, but it has nothing to do with the car. In a normal race, only 0.3 can be won on a long straight. 0.3 in the last sector, 99% verstappen's driving. He approached the barriers more than anyone else and drove almost at the limits. It was a qualifying round that proved once again why Monaco is special. this is a circuit that really pushes the final limits of pilots, and it should stay on the calendar.

[LTU_btc]

Verstappen, which entered the last sector by 0.204, closed ahead by 0.084. I don't understand how he drove in that last sector without rubbing against the walls. 1-2 people have said that the last sector success was due to the car, but it has nothing to do with the car. In a normal race, only 0.3 can be won on a long straight. 0.3 in the last sector, 99% verstappen's driving. He approached the barriers more than anyone else and drove almost at the limits. It was a qualifying round that proved once again why Monaco is special. this is a circuit that really pushes the final limits of pilots, and it should stay on the calendar.

It was one of the best qualifying sessios recently. After 2 sectors it already looked that Alonso have pole in his hands. But then Verstappen did something unbeleavable. He didn't just hit the wall twice, but also he had lot of traffic in flying lap. Alonso did everything what he can, but it was simply impossible to do something against such Verstappen.
And Perez crash, in Monaco it costs so much. Now it's impossible for him to fight for good points.

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Breaking news Leclerc got 3 position penalty for impeding Norris according to Stewarts.

He will now start from 6th position.

Also as I said previous days rain is a huge possibility

According to Google, we will have 70% ish at race time.



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[jakdanyel]

There was some extraordinary driving by Verstappen there in qualifying.    Maybe he has the fastest car on the grid now but indeed it isn't easy to just say that it was only due to the quickness of his car. There was some amazing skills by Verstappen especially in last sector and you can just see how close he was to the walls at every turn. He was definitely at the limit in this sector and made the difference there.

He couldn't show that much impressive performance in first and second sectors but was better in last one like always. Alonso was doing a much better job in those ones and he could have also take pole position if it weren't for Verstappen's unbelievable lap. By the way this lap time by Verstappen was even the improved version of Leclerc's pole lap in 2022 by 0.011 seconds.

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Verstappen got the pole position with Alonso in second place and Leclerc in third place.

If nothing happens it will be an easy win again for RBR in this track

Well, to be honest, this is the best and most exciting qualifying session I've ever watched. Alonso and Lecrec really gave their best to take pole position from Verstappen. Especially when Alonso was in 1st position, the Aston Martin team was very happy there, but unfortunately it didn't last long, Verstappen took it back. Yes, we can admit that RBR and Verstappen are the best cars and drivers to date. Can't wait for the Monaco race, looks like it's going to be interesting.

[Koal-84]

Breaking news Leclerc got 3 position penalty for impeding Norris according to Stewarts.

He will now start from 6th position.

Also as I said previous days rain is a huge possibility

According to Google, we will have 70% ish at race time.

I've also heard about the penalty for Leclerc, his home race is not exactly a happy race for him.

Looks like a start-finish victory for Verstappen, or can Alonso possibly pull off a surprise and overtake Verstappen at the start? Of course, the weather could also play a role.

[tokeweed]

The race just got a looot more interesting.  Lmao!

And I don't think I'll win my fastest lap bet now.  :/  With just around 18 laps to go, I don't think the track will dry up to give a chance for either Red Bull cars to snag it away from Hamilton.

Edit:  If the race stops now then both Mercedes cars would've finished fourth and fifth.  Decent job imho.

[emrecemsan]

The rain really made the race more intriguing for most of us I assume. It started to rain heavier in such a short time that many drivers had serious difficulties in even reaching pit to change the tyres to intermediates. But even under this tough conditions Verstappen continued to dominate the race without having serious issues. I have a big respect for his effort today and I believe he was the driver of the day.

I must appreciate Alonso and Ocon as well for their high efforts. Both of them had a really great race and they managed these tough conditions nicely as well. It was a good day for Mercedes drivers because they made big improvement in this tough GP by capturing the 4th and 5th places. It was a nightmare for Ferraris on the other hand. Leclerc had a 3-place grid penalty and couldn't improve his placement. Sainz made a big mistake while he was making an overtake attempt and lost 4 places at the end of the race.

Congrats to Verstappen on his solid victory!

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The race was quite boring even with the rain lol.

These cars are so easy to drive in comparison of cars of 20 years ago. Noone crashed even under the rain.

About the race, I still think this GP must be deleted, is the most boring one, 90% of the time who does the 1st turn ahead wins the race.

[LGD2Business]

Again it was a very boring race. I don't even feel like following Formula 1 anymore. It's predetermined who will win each race. It's not that exciting to watch the fight for second and third place. I wonder if the F1 organization is not bothered by the falling ratings?
I watched today's race but didn't enjoy it at all. I said maybe rain will change things, but that didn't happen either. I probably wouldn't waste my time watching the next races. Unless something unusual happens, the champion is already clear. There is nothing in the name of competition.

[swogerino]

Again it was a very boring race. I don't even feel like following Formula 1 anymore. It's predetermined who will win each race. It's not that exciting to watch the fight for second and third place. I wonder if the F1 organization is not bothered by the falling ratings?
I watched today's race but didn't enjoy it at all. I said maybe rain will change things, but that didn't happen either. I probably wouldn't waste my time watching the next races. Unless something unusual happens, the champion is already clear. There is nothing in the name of competition.

The rain just made our sadness intensify as we were all expecting a lot of crashes,cars going out,change of positions or at least a Safety Car in the beginning of the rain which would have somewhat restarted the race.I am sure if a Safety Car would have been deployed things would have changed a lot,especially if the race were to restart in the peak of the rain that was falling for not so many minutes today at Monaco and that is why we feel now as F1 is boring.Monaco grand prix has always been like that and if nothing happened it would be a linear race,today rain happened but did not help much in not making it linear.I am sure we will see a better race the very next weekend in Spain.