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[swogerino]

Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.

I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.

I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005

I made a post trying to remember who the two suppliers were during the Schumacher - Ferrari era during the 2000's then I saw your post.  

But yeah, it was Michelin and Bridgestone.  And the problem as always in F1 is it's too mired with politics...  Not really sure what went on during the 2005 United States GP but I'm pretty sure one manufacturer couldn't handle the competition so they started to use their connections at the FIA and it all went political.  Tsk tsk...  :/

Those were great times as Bridgestone were great tires to use in cold and rainy weather while Michelin excelled in really hot environments so even when the cars had difference the tires sometimes in different weather circumstances made the races look a bit more beautiful than usual.I think what is needed right now in F1 to add to the competition is to leave a free choice to all car manufacturers who are racing in F1 to choose any tire provider they see fit and to not limit one provider to this number of teams,free market means free competition but in FIA right now must be the politics who decide everything and we know everywhere politics is in not good things come out of it.

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[SamReomo]

Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.

I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.

I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005

That's true, 2 tire suppliers has never been a good thing in races, and it will never be possible to do that in future due to safety concerns. Well, yes the 2005's case is a clear one to demonstrate that how risky it is to use the 2 tires which aren't suitable for the conditions of a track. Such tires could cause damages and the chances of accidents increase to very high levels. I don't think that such tires could be beneficial to win the race unless the weather and track conditions support those.

[coinlocket$]

That's true, 2 tire suppliers has never been a good thing in races, and it will never be possible to do that in future due to safety concerns. Well, yes the 2005's case is a clear one to demonstrate that how risky it is to use the 2 tires which aren't suitable for the conditions of a track. Such tires could cause damages and the chances of accidents increase to very high levels. I don't think that such tires could be beneficial to win the race unless the weather and track conditions support those.

yeap it will be Pirelli or Bridgeston?

How they will choose? Easy the one who will pay the more or the one who take the less money.


For the entrainment the best choice is to change so anything can happen.

[emrecemsan]

2023 F1 Austrian GP Schedule
Friday 30 June  Practice 1  13:30-14:30
Friday 30 June  Qualifying  17:00-18:00
Saturday 1 July  Sprint Shootout  12:30-13:30
Saturday 1 July  Sprint  16:30-17:30
Sunday 2 July  Race  15:00

^  A little change of pace.  There's a sprint race.    I don't mind the new format as much anymore.

Anyway, early lines have Verstappen to win at 1.29.  :/

Yeah even the sprint system has changed by this season. In addition to sprint race we have a sprint shootout format as well. We even have a race to determine sprint grid.    If I'm not wrong Verstappen said that this was an unnecessary format and there was no need for it. To tell the truth it is good to watch Formula 1 more during a weekend to me. But I can understand the drivers of course as they are going to be much busier than before. Maybe FIA are just trying this format and will decide if they would use it for next seasons as well.

Austria track is a really short one as we can see times like 1:05 and even below that in qualifying. Let's see how much dominant Verstappen will be this time.

[coinlocket$]

Some fresh news

Binotto will probably soon be back in F1.
Alpine and Mclearens are interested in him.

Adrian Newey has spoken and he said he will leave RBR and F1 soon, his career is almost over.

[karabiber]

As for whether or not to remove the tyre heating blankets in 2024, Pirelli has said that the impact of this decision on the show in races will be critical. One of the hallmarks of racing in F1 is the strength of the lap time advantage a new tire provides over an old tire if a driver pits earlier.
If the tires take longer to reach their highest potential, this can eliminate premature pitting altogether, forcing drivers to be more conservative about pit stops. Because i think it is unrealistic to start using tires that don't need preheating, to expect them to perform like tires that are heated before being fitted to the vehicle. If you start with a cold tire, you cannot have the grip given by the pre heated tire. Updates need to be done from the right perspective.

[Davian144]

FP1 MotoGp Assen is underway and I saw that Marc Marquez and Fabio Quartararo also appeared in this session even though there were rumors that they would not appear in the MotoGP Assen race, but they didn't seem to have any physical problems and were declared fit to appear even though Fabio Quartararo was has been doubtful to appear due to a toe injury he received through sports in the past few days. I expect quite an exciting fight in Assen because every year there are always tense races here (in Assen).

[swogerino]

FP1 MotoGp Assen is underway and I saw that Marc Marquez and Fabio Quartararo also appeared in this session even though there were rumors that they would not appear in the MotoGP Assen race, but they didn't seem to have any physical problems and were declared fit to appear even though Fabio Quartararo was has been doubtful to appear due to a toe injury he received through sports in the past few days. I expect quite an exciting fight in Assen because every year there are always tense races here (in Assen).

Assen I believe to be holding races on a Saturday like it have been the case in Netherlands at least in MotoGP because F1 still conducts races on Sundays there and Assen they call it otherwise "the university of MotoGP" meaning is the most technical track of the whole calendar.It will be great to see Marquez have a chance to race in this track,while Bagnaia is alone in the first place in the standings this is a difficult track for everyone and each of the riders has unique risks of crashing in this track,also the rider skill is much more emphasized here than in any other track and that is why Assen race is always the most beautiful of all season to be watched.

[Koal-84]

FP1 MotoGp Assen is underway and I saw that Marc Marquez and Fabio Quartararo also appeared in this session even though there were rumors that they would not appear in the MotoGP Assen race, but they didn't seem to have any physical problems and were declared fit to appear even though Fabio Quartararo was has been doubtful to appear due to a toe injury he received through sports in the past few days. I expect quite an exciting fight in Assen because every year there are always tense races here (in Assen).

Marc Marquez has already announced two days ago that he will participate in Assen with his injury on the left thumb, Fabio has a broken toe but has also agreed to participate.

Both are not happy with their bikes this year (like last year), the Yamaha has little engine performance and the Honda is not really good anywhere, very difficult for them this year. Normally the Yamahas were always very good in Assen because of the track layout but probably the victory will go over Ducati again, hope that KTM also has a good weekend.

[Davian144]

Assen I believe to be holding races on a Saturday like it have been the case in Netherlands at least in MotoGP because F1 still conducts races on Sundays there and Assen they call it otherwise "the university of MotoGP" meaning is the most technical track of the whole calendar.It will be great to see Marquez have a chance to race in this track,while Bagnaia is alone in the first place in the standings this is a difficult track for everyone and each of the riders has unique risks of crashing in this track,also the rider skill is much more emphasized here than in any other track and that is why Assen race is always the most beautiful of all season to be watched.

In the FP1 session, Marquez had a lot of trouble with his motorbike, which maybe the setting was still not right so he (Marquez) could only finish the session in 21st place. I also can't wait to see how the next session will take place because Assen is a very unique circuit so it always presents very exciting race and very crucial also for all the riders, and it seems that in general almost all the Honda motorbikes in the other riders are also not in good shape at the moment.

[ILuckyGuyI]

Some fresh news

Binotto will probably soon be back in F1.
Alpine and Mclearens are interested in him.

Adrian Newey has spoken and he said he will leave RBR and F1 soon, his career is almost over.

Adrian Newey's departure is really important news for Red Bull. Because he has a huge role in Red Bull's having a this much strong car now. After he leaves I wonder who they are planning to bring into his place. It wouldn't be easy to find a person like him. Because Newey is one of the greatest engineers in F1 history.

His designs have won many achievements so far and Red Bull is the live example of that now. Would this mean we might see Red Bull getting closer to other teams? It is really hard to answer that question yet. But honestly it would be lovely to see another team catching up with them to increase the level of rivalry in a season. 

[tokeweed]

That's true, 2 tire suppliers has never been a good thing in races, and it will never be possible to do that in future due to safety concerns. Well, yes the 2005's case is a clear one to demonstrate that how risky it is to use the 2 tires which aren't suitable for the conditions of a track. Such tires could cause damages and the chances of accidents increase to very high levels. I don't think that such tires could be beneficial to win the race unless the weather and track conditions support those.

yeap it will be Pirelli or Bridgeston?

How they will choose? Easy the one who will pay the more or the one who take the less money.


For the entrainment the best choice is to change so anything can happen.

For pure entertainment, what the FIA should prolly do is give the teams the ability to choose ahead of each race which tire manufacturer they want to go with for the next race.  It's going to add a new shade in the game in terms of strategy and tire management.  

Some fresh news

Binotto will probably soon be back in F1.
Alpine and Mclearens are interested in him.

Adrian Newey has spoken and he said he will leave RBR and F1 soon, his career is almost over.

Binotto will be a great asset for whichever team he works with!  I hope to see his return sooner rather than later.  And...  I hope it will not be at McLaren.  Lol.  

Wait so if Newey retires, what are the odds they could get Binotto in as their Chief Technical Officer?

Btw...  Here are the highlights from the last race for those who missed it.

2023 F1 Canadian GP Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX_GUhWiBHk

[Distraction]

Binotto is actually not a bad engineer. There were some other issues existing at Ferrari and it looks like there is still not much thing solved. Binotto could have still continued his career at Ferrari as an engineer at least. Vasseur came to be the new boss but I even wish Ferrari brought back Binotto in his place now.

Because the current look of Ferrari is much worse than their first times in last season. You must be remembering how solid Ferrari drivers were at the beginning of that season. Maybe they faced serious durability problems later but they still showed that they could be really competitive if they worked hard.

But now who knows when they will even reach that level first.

[swogerino]

Binotto is actually not a bad engineer. There were some other issues existing at Ferrari and it looks like there is still not much thing solved. Binotto could have still continued his career at Ferrari as an engineer at least. Vasseur came to be the new boss but I even wish Ferrari brought back Binotto in his place now.

Because the current look of Ferrari is much worse than their first times in last season. You must be remembering how solid Ferrari drivers were at the beginning of that season. Maybe they faced serious durability problems later but they still showed that they could be really competitive if they worked hard.

But now who knows when they will even reach that level first.

I have kept a close look at what Vasseur is doing at Ferrari and I doubt he is doing anything better than Binotto when in fact he is doing much worse,I don't know what the f*ck was in Ferrari mind when they removed their lead engineer in favor of a new lead one that came from a much weaker team than Ferrari and Vasseur did not have any impressive results with that team so that Ferrari to have made the move,I don't know but maybe a lot of politics was involved as F1 is becoming more and more centrist when it comes to politics so this is my explanation for this and together with this the bad results of Ferrari so far.

[Koal-84]

Bezzecchi was fastest in both practices today, with Miller and Bagnaia behind him. As I thought, Ducati and KTM will probably be in front in Assen. Fabio is limping because of his toe but he can continue the weekend, Marquez crashed again but seems to be ok.

[coinlocket$]

oh, it is Assen time.
Marquez said he is not in great shape so he can't push so much.

It will be a Ducati vs Ducati race.

[alegotardo]

Binotto is actually not a bad engineer. There were some other issues existing at Ferrari and it looks like there is still not much thing solved. Binotto could have still continued his career at Ferrari as an engineer at least. Vasseur came to be the new boss but I even wish Ferrari brought back Binotto in his place now.

Because the current look of Ferrari is much worse than their first times in last season. You must be remembering how solid Ferrari drivers were at the beginning of that season. Maybe they faced serious durability problems later but they still showed that they could be really competitive if they worked hard.

But now who knows when they will even reach that level first.

People wanted Mattia Binotto to leave so much that they were even relieved when it finally happened. The expected change was that we would have a new approach at Ferrari in order to get rid of an apparent lethargy and conformist posture with the poor results.

I think this change had not happened before because Binotto had the support of the command, especially the "almighty" President of Ferrari, but with the arrival of Benedetto and the need for faster results, the change ended up being inevitable.

Honestly, I don't blame Vasseur yet, as he's kind of "tied" to a car that was conceived under Binotto's command. It's a cursed inheritance that over time is being adjusted, but I confess that with each passing GP these reasons are losing more strength and Vasseur needs to start showing more proactivity and results for the team, for now he can still blame in others, but time is passing.

I hope that by the beginning of 2024 things should be adjusted.

[Davian144]

Bezzecchi was fastest in both practices today, with Miller and Bagnaia behind him. As I thought, Ducati and KTM will probably be in front in Assen. Fabio is limping because of his toe but he can continue the weekend, Marquez crashed again but seems to be ok.

Marquez really had to fight hard in the Assen race this time because he also rammed Bastianini while taking advantage of his towing so that he is only in 17th place on the starting grid for tomorrow and also for today at the Sprint Race. The front row for tomorrow has been controlled by Ducati, where the Mooney VR46 team is in 1st and 3rd place for tomorrow and also today in the Sprint Race.

Apart from that, Fabio Quartararo managed to come in fourth place, followed by Brad Binder from KTM, so that makes the starting grid quite good and it is very possible that the race will be exciting, especially in the Sprint Race which will soon start.

[FanEagle]

As for whether or not to remove the tyre heating blankets in 2024, Pirelli has said that the impact of this decision on the show in races will be critical. One of the hallmarks of racing in F1 is the strength of the lap time advantage a new tire provides over an old tire if a driver pits earlier.
If the tires take longer to reach their highest potential, this can eliminate premature pitting altogether, forcing drivers to be more conservative about pit stops. Because i think it is unrealistic to start using tires that don't need preheating, to expect them to perform like tires that are heated before being fitted to the vehicle. If you start with a cold tire, you cannot have the grip given by the pre heated tire. Updates need to be done from the right perspective.

That would change a strategy situation, drivers are still the same drivers, the teams are basically the same, and yet changing the tires would change the pit strategy and that's a different approach. I feel like it is going to take a while before people could see it as a change that is good. Remember, whenever F1 had any change, that means that there will be a lot of trouble coming to it and that would result with terrible backlash from the fans at first.

After a while we will get used to it though, so heat it before or just during, it won't be that much of a trouble since everyone would have the equal situation but that doesn't mean that we would have everyone accepting it quickly, it will definitely be a bit different for a while before we get used to it.

[dothebeats]

As for whether or not to remove the tyre heating blankets in 2024, Pirelli has said that the impact of this decision on the show in races will be critical. One of the hallmarks of racing in F1 is the strength of the lap time advantage a new tire provides over an old tire if a driver pits earlier.
If the tires take longer to reach their highest potential, this can eliminate premature pitting altogether, forcing drivers to be more conservative about pit stops. Because i think it is unrealistic to start using tires that don't need preheating, to expect them to perform like tires that are heated before being fitted to the vehicle. If you start with a cold tire, you cannot have the grip given by the pre heated tire. Updates need to be done from the right perspective.

That would change a strategy situation, drivers are still the same drivers, the teams are basically the same, and yet changing the tires would change the pit strategy and that's a different approach. I feel like it is going to take a while before people could see it as a change that is good. Remember, whenever F1 had any change, that means that there will be a lot of trouble coming to it and that would result with terrible backlash from the fans at first.

After a while we will get used to it though, so heat it before or just during, it won't be that much of a trouble since everyone would have the equal situation but that doesn't mean that we would have everyone accepting it quickly, it will definitely be a bit different for a while before we get used to it.

This would actually affect a lot of fast drivers who are looking to be more aggressive after their tires have heated sufficiently. It changes not only how often do they need to do pit stops but also how they drive after the said pit stop. Heated tires, as we know, provides more grip in the track compared to those that aren't, and if it's going to be removed in 2024, a lot of complains will arise, but I'm pretty sure the teams will still go back to the drawing board pretty much to overcome this new rule.