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[AakZaki]

Marquez hasn't been able to perform 100% or is the honda he's wearing not good? Looks like he needs to reset the bike, to be more powerful.  Congratulations to Quartararo he's a champion. Starting from 17th, Rossi had to fall. Morbidelli was great he used an old bike but he finished fourth.
Under is a MotoGP temporary standings

Source:  https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2021/DOH/MotoGP/RAC/World+Standing

[tokeweed]

Can’t wait for the Portuguese GP in a couple of weeks!  I haven’t been as excited for F1 in a looong time.  It’s gonna be neck and neck between Verstappen and Hamilton!

For a while there I thought we were gonna get all three next generation drivers to get the podiums until Hamilton broke the party.  

F1 Emilia Romagna GP Race Result

1  Max Verstappen  Red Bull 1:17.526
2  Lewis Hamilton  Mercedes 22.000s
3  Lando Norris  McLaren 23.702s
4  Charles Leclerc  Ferrari 25.579s
5  Carlos Sainz  Ferrari 27.036s
6  Daniel Ricciardo  McLaren 51.220s
7  Lance Stroll  Aston Martin 51.909s
8  Pierre Gasly  AlphaTauri 52.818s
9  Kimi Raikkonen  Alfa Romeo Racing 64.773s
10  Esteban Ocon  Alpine 65.704s
11  Fernando Alonso  Alpine 66.561s
12  Sergio Perez  Red Bull 67.151s
13  Yuki Tsunoda  AlphaTauri 73.184s
14  Antonio Giovinazzi  Alfa Romeo Racing 1 Lap
15  Sebastian Vettel  Aston Martin 1 Lap
16  Mick Schumacher  Haas 1 Lap
17  Nikita Mazepin  Haas 2 Laps

DNF

Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
George Russell Williams
Nicholas Latifi Williams

[LTU_btc]

It was really great race. What an amazing start for Verstappen - after it he was driving alone, nobody were able to give competition for him.
Hamilton did mistake while overtaking lapped cars, but he made great comeback after it.
Perez had bad luck today. He got stop/go penalty in stupid way.
And I don't know why Russel is blaming Bottas for crash. I think Bottas left enough space for him, it was Russel mistake.

[Jackl87]

It was really great race. What an amazing start for Verstappen - after it he was driving alone, nobody were able to give competition for him.
Hamilton did mistake while overtaking lapped cars, but he made great comeback after it.

Yeah it was really quite a chaotic and therefore an entertaining race to watch because of the rain. It was a nice and uncontested win by verstappen after hamilton made the mistake and was off the track.
That he still managed to reach the second placer after his mistake where he was like half a minute off the track and also damaged his frontwing baffles me. Of course he was also very lucky that right after his mistake bottas and russell had their crash which lead to a safety car phase which allowed him to come closer again.

[Koal-84]

Mark Marquez on grid 13 and rossi in grid 17. I hope Marques come back in this session, he has medical fixed and fit to race.

I just want to say Welcome back marc marquez, hope you make a win on portugal.

Rosi fell on lap 11, even though he had just overtaken Marini and behind Marquez.
I think Marquez started from 6th position. Marc Marquez is currently behind Aleix Espargaro, in 8th place.
Rins takes fifth place, and zarco out.

3 laps remaining  

Yesterday there were a lot of crashes, the Portimao track is very demanding for the riders due to the up and down and front wheel mistakes can easily happen. I find demanding routes built in nature more interesting for spectators at the track and at TV.

[aesma]

Aston Martin is complaining that the new regulations hit them (and Mercedes) unfairly, but the problem si that the Mercedes with Hamilton still wins poles and races and best lap, so it doesn't help their case.

[blue Snow]

I just want to say Welcome back marc marquez, hope you make a win on portugal.

Rosi fell on lap 11, even though he had just overtaken Marini and behind Marquez.
I think Marquez started from 6th position. Marc Marquez is currently behind Aleix Espargaro, in 8th place.
Rins takes fifth place, and zarco out.

3 laps remaining 

Yesterday there were a lot of crashes, the Portimao track is very demanding for the riders due to the up and down and front wheel mistakes can easily happen. I find demanding routes built in nature more interesting for spectators at the track and at TV.

Seems Portugal has quite the challenging circuit, my eye was on Valentino Rossi, he looks confused got crashed cause his motor tires being skid. Another interesting moment is Marquez's comeback after 9 months injured and finish in 7th, he has great mental racer, he might be getting a better lap in Circuito de Jerez, Spain.

[Luzin]

he might be getting a better lap in Circuito de Jerez, Spain.

That's right, I don't think he's put on the best form yet. The prediction of winning in Portugal is only to scare other drivers. Honda longs for victory, they are very patient waiting for Marquez to recover. Maybe the changes to the motor coming from Marquez's input were needed. The next series May 2, the Spanish MotoGP at the Jerez Circuit. Is Yamaha back as champions again?

[Koal-84]

I just want to say Welcome back marc marquez, hope you make a win on portugal.

Rosi fell on lap 11, even though he had just overtaken Marini and behind Marquez.
I think Marquez started from 6th position. Marc Marquez is currently behind Aleix Espargaro, in 8th place.
Rins takes fifth place, and zarco out.

3 laps remaining  

Yesterday there were a lot of crashes, the Portimao track is very demanding for the riders due to the up and down and front wheel mistakes can easily happen. I find demanding routes built in nature more interesting for spectators at the track and at TV.

Seems Portugal has quite the challenging circuit, my eye was on Valentino Rossi, he looks confused got crashed cause his motor tires being skid. Another interesting moment is Marquez's comeback after 9 months injured and finish in 7th, he has great mental racer, he might be getting a better lap in Circuito de Jerez, Spain.

I think Marc Marquez is not yet driving 100%, he is certainly aware that if he should crash hard again it could mean the end of his career, I think he is not 100% fit and painless yet.

he might be getting a better lap in Circuito de Jerez, Spain.

That's right, I don't think he's put on the best form yet. The prediction of winning in Portugal is only to scare other drivers. Honda longs for victory, they are very patient waiting for Marquez to recover. Maybe the changes to the motor coming from Marquez's input were needed. The next series May 2, the Spanish MotoGP at the Jerez Circuit. Is Yamaha back as champions again?

Last year Yamaha dominates the two Jerez GPs also Rossi have there his last Podest place, the years before only Marc can beat success all other brands. So my tip Yamaha or Suzuki.

[swogerino]

Aston Martin is complaining that the new regulations hit them (and Mercedes) unfairly, but the problem si that the Mercedes with Hamilton still wins poles and races and best lap, so it doesn't help their case.

It is a driver difference in this case which is Hamilton.He is clearly one of the most skillful drivers and winning the pole was 100% his merit.We all can see now that the difference is really small between Mercedes and RedBull so the case of Aston Martin I think it stands.

[tokeweed]

Aston Martin is complaining that the new regulations hit them (and Mercedes) unfairly, but the problem si that the Mercedes with Hamilton still wins poles and races and best lap, so it doesn't help their case.

I don’t think Aston Martin was complaining.  The team was just stating a fact.  The regulation change did hit low rake cars like Merc and Aston Martin and increased pace of high rake cars like Red Bull and Alpha Tauri.

And Merc emgineers prolly made clever tweaks and decisions to make their car more competitive.

[Cnut237]

I don't know why Russel is blaming Bottas for crash. I think Bottas left enough space for him, it was Russel mistake.

They always do blame each other, in that situation. Whenever there is a crash it is usual for both drivers to blame the other one. It's quite rare that they admit being at fault.

Overall, fantastic start from Verstappen, which won him the race. And he did superbly one he had the lead.

Rare mistake from Hamilton, but an incredible recovery (helped by the red flag). I think a lot of drivers after that crash would have just got out of the car... but Hamilton knows every point could be vital, and it was amazing that he fought back to 2nd and got fastest lap, too.

Not sure what we learned about Red Bull vs Mercedes. Verstappen held the lead, but Hamilton was coming back at him at the end. How much was Verstappen just taking it easy with his 20 second cushion? The question continues into the next race...

[Koal-84]

It was really great race. What an amazing start for Verstappen - after it he was driving alone, nobody were able to give competition for him.
Hamilton did mistake while overtaking lapped cars, but he made great comeback after it.
Perez had bad luck today. He got stop/go penalty in stupid way.
And I don't know why Russel is blaming Bottas for crash. I think Bottas left enough space for him, it was Russel mistake.

In my opinion, formula 1 is already overregulated, safety should be a top priority, but in my old age I wish I had the gravel beds and refill the gasoline and simpler rules so i loves old school tracks.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-loses-points-after-post-race-imola-penalty/6334393/

In retrospect, the points were deducted from Kimi, which was not entirely understandable for me personally also see Perez he overtake and become a penalty, at Alfa Romeo no one know how to handle it.
Bottas and Russell's accident was a racing accident for me, and neither of them was 100% to blame.

[aesma]

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

[dre1982]

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

Yep but only when he was with all wheels outside the track and Leclrec doubting if there was a wheel still on the track and then he was too late. I think in the end it shouldn't made any difference. Verstappen was just too quick Sunday.

Hamilton was lucky with the red flag. I don't think he was still ended second if that didn't happen.

[Koal-84]

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

Yep but only when he was with all wheels outside the track and Leclrec doubting if there was a wheel still on the track and then he was too late. I think in the end it shouldn't made any difference. Verstappen was just too quick Sunday.

Hamilton was lucky with the red flag. I don't think he was still ended second if that didn't happen.

Yes that's correct no passing at the safety car phase, but at Räikkönen he didn't pass and become a penalty why he don't pass to order befor... so many rules are to difficult and no one as spectators understand this.

Without the red phase, Hamilton would probably have ended up somewhere behind 5th or 8th place, he was very lucky exactly there.

[Spack17]

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

You are right. But I don't understand why they gave a 10-sec stop&go penalty to Perez. He was out of the track limits and 2 drivers passed him under the safety car. After that, he took his place back as the safety car was still on the track. But they said it was not legal. I didn't know such thing exists in F1 rules.

[AakZaki]

I think Marc Marquez is not yet driving 100%, he is certainly aware that if he should crash hard again it could mean the end of his career, I think he is not 100% fit and painless yet.

It's true Marquez still can't appear perfect. Some local media in my country reported that he still felt pain in his arm. But he is really great he is able to compete and finish in 7th position. Marquez's position is the best position among other Honda riders. One more thing for Valentino, it seems that he is really going to drown at this point, he has not shown his best performance even though he uses a factory motorbike, where the motorbike is usually used by the first team instead of a satellite team like Rossi.

[Koal-84]

I think Marc Marquez is not yet driving 100%, he is certainly aware that if he should crash hard again it could mean the end of his career, I think he is not 100% fit and painless yet.

It's true Marquez still can't appear perfect. Some local media in my country reported that he still felt pain in his arm. But he is really great he is able to compete and finish in 7th position. Marquez's position is the best position among other Honda riders. One more thing for Valentino, it seems that he is really going to drown at this point, he has not shown his best performance even though he uses a factory motorbike, where the motorbike is usually used by the first team instead of a satellite team like Rossi.

Marc still has pain in his arm, that's right, and he will definitely be very careful and not push himself to the limit yet. The Honda bike is currently not very rideable and a good time at one lap is a challenge for the rider and the bike. Last year Rossi had his best result at Jerez, just wait and see also Vinales was rather bad in Portimao, why are there so big differences among the Yamaha riders

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Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1384795634490912770/photo/1

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