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Yeah right is night anyway it can be delayed for even 4 hours who cares, night is night  .

Rumors of Today: In 2021 car IDK for what reason since they should be the same as this year will lose 10% of drag force BUT Merdeces is rumored to already earned this loss on next year car project.

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[marioantonini]

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/16/outpouring-of-congratulations-flood-in-for-joan-mir/357520

Congratulations to Joan Mir, he is MotoGp world champion of the Year. Too bad I didn't watch this last race. Congratulations also to Ducati for being the Constructors champion. This ended the monopoly between Yamaha and Honda for several seasons. Apart from that the races this season are very interesting because we have 7 series winners in 14 races if I don't miscalculate. It is also interesting that the dominance of the satellite team this season is beyond my predictions. The satellite racers performed amazingly, see Morbidelli he was in the runner-up position, Miler was followed (in 7th position), Quartararo (in 8th position), Oliveira (in 9th position), and Takaaki Nakagami (in 10th position). I think they will be tough rivals next season.

yesterday I read an interview with mir on an Italian newspaper, I honestly didn't like it.

I start by saying that whoever wins is always right, but Mir must admit that this world championship has been nothing short of particular, a few races, one after the other, always different winners and above all there was no marquez.


mir said "marquez was not kidnapped, if he didn't race it was his mistake". this is partly true, Marquez is not a doctor and was probably badly advised, but in my opinion, if the championship is normal in 2021, with the return of Marquez, Mir will not win a race

[Cnut237]

I don't believe that there will be rain during race weekend. But even if it will be, it's not a problem if they will havevto delay race. First race is scheduled at 5 PM local time and second race will start on 8 PM. So, it will be night races like in Singapore or Abu Dhabi.

Yes, rain is unlikely.  It is a shame, because those rainy races are really exciting and do help to negate the effect of having a superior car... it's more about the quality of the driver. It's no coincidence that the drivers who did well last time out were the experienced old hands like Hamilton, Perez and Vettel.

[swogerino]

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/16/outpouring-of-congratulations-flood-in-for-joan-mir/357520

Congratulations to Joan Mir, he is MotoGp world champion of the Year. Too bad I didn't watch this last race. Congratulations also to Ducati for being the Constructors champion. This ended the monopoly between Yamaha and Honda for several seasons. Apart from that the races this season are very interesting because we have 7 series winners in 14 races if I don't miscalculate. It is also interesting that the dominance of the satellite team this season is beyond my predictions. The satellite racers performed amazingly, see Morbidelli he was in the runner-up position, Miler was followed (in 7th position), Quartararo (in 8th position), Oliveira (in 9th position), and Takaaki Nakagami (in 10th position). I think they will be tough rivals next season.

yesterday I read an interview with mir on an Italian newspaper, I honestly didn't like it.

I start by saying that whoever wins is always right, but Mir must admit that this world championship has been nothing short of particular, a few races, one after the other, always different winners and above all there was no marquez.


mir said "marquez was not kidnapped, if he didn't race it was his mistake". this is partly true, Marquez is not a doctor and was probably badly advised, but in my opinion, if the championship is normal in 2021, with the return of Marquez, Mir will not win a race

Congratulations to him but these type of Champions will not be remembered for long.These type of Champions are dictated from circumstances.In normal conditions and with all the drivers participating probably he would not be a Champion.Still he is the best of the rest as there are other good riders who could oppose him but they couldn’t.

[Naida_BR]

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/16/outpouring-of-congratulations-flood-in-for-joan-mir/357520

When you haven't gotten the trophy yet, but you need to lift something due to your happiness! 
Congats to this amazing man - athlete! More championships are about to come for him in the future.

[Koal-84]

I'm a little excited about the last races, but I think they are rather unspectacular. Everything is actually decided and most of the teams and drivers are probably already in their heads for the next season?

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Free practice 1 completed, in this track, the engine is important so Mercedes engines are dominating

1    44    Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    1:29.033       40
2    77    Valtteri Bottas    Mercedes    1:29.482    +0.449s    41
3    11    Sergio Perez    Racing Point BWT Mercedes    1:30.000    +0.967s    31
4    55    Carlos Sainz    McLaren Renault    1:30.018    +0.985s    31
5    10    Pierre Gasly    AlphaTauri Honda    1:30.049    +1.016s    34
6    33    Max Verstappen    Red Bull Racing Honda    1:30.294    +1.261s    18
7    23    Alexander Albon    Red Bull Racing Honda    1:30.302    +1.269s    34
8    31    Esteban Ocon    Renault    1:30.384    +1.351s    28
9    18    Lance Stroll    Racing Point BWT Mercedes    1:30.426    +1.393s    30
10    3    Daniel Ricciardo    Renault    1:30.508    +1.475s    30
11    16    Charles Leclerc    Ferrari    1:30.589    +1.556s    29
12    5    Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    1:30.628    +1.595s    24
13    88    Robert Kubica    Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari    1:30.732    +1.699s    24
14    8    Romain Grosjean    Haas Ferrari    1:30.832    +1.799s    28
15    20    Kevin Magnussen    Haas Ferrari    1:30.854    +1.821s    29
16    99    Antonio Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari    1:30.896    +1.863s    27
17    26    Daniil Kvyat    AlphaTauri Honda    1:31.020    +1.987s    37
18    4    Lando Norris    McLaren Renault    1:31.392    +2.359s    27
19    6    Nicholas Latifi    Williams Mercedes    1:32.472    +3.439s    29
20    40    Roy Nissany    Williams Mercedes    1:32.801    +3.768s    27


Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2020/races/1059/bahrain/practice-1.html


Free practice 2 starts in  1 hour ish

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Most of the talk will be about Mercedes in this race. They have awesome engines for this track.
It is very important to brake correctly to win in Bahrain. We have seen it in practices, tires can determine the winner in this race. Bahrain is really fast track, it will be a very enjoyable race if it does not rain

[marioantonini]

it is incredible to see how ferrari managed to be competitive last grand prix and is now back in 12th and 14th position in the second session. it's just free practice, but I don't think things will improve much during qualifying tomorrow, let's hope at least they both manage to qualify for Q3

[Koal-84]

I wonder about this news Form Ferrari, they also now for the engine freeze from 2022  

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-now-in-favour-of-f1-engine-freeze-from-2022/4916921/

Also Horner from RedBull speak about the engine freeze

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-important-f1-engine-freeze-doesnt-lock-in-disadvantages/4917159/

But i don't unterstand Ferrari or the believe at his engine for the next year?

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Free practice 2...

As told you this track seems to be very engine dependent so Ferrari will be back in the grid from what we can see for the moment.


2020 Bahrain Grand Prix - Free Practice 2 results
Pos    Driver    Team    Time    Gap    Laps
1    Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    1:28.971s       28
2    Max Verstappen    Red Bull    1:29.318s    + 0.347s    34
3    Valtteri Bottas    Mercedes    1:29.336s    + 0.365s    30
4    Sergio Pérez    Racing Point    1:29.403s    + 0.432s    32
5    Daniel Ricciardo    Renault    1:29.462s    + 0.491s    27
6    Pierre Gasly    AlphaTauri    1:29.551s    + 0.580s    36
7    Lando Norris    McLaren    1:29.841s    + 0.870s    30
8    Lance Stroll    Racing Point    1:29.871s    + 0.900s    32
9    Daniil Kvyat    AlphaTauri    1:29.900s    + 0.929s    34
10    Alexander Albon    Red Bull    1:30.014s    + 1.043s    17
11    Esteban Ocon    Renault    1:30.085s    + 1.114s    30
12    Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    1:30.110s    + 1.139s    35
13    Carlos Sainz    McLaren    1:30.271s    + 1.300s    33
14    Charles Leclerc    Ferrari    1:30.407s    + 1.436s    30
15    Antonio Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo    1:30.627s    + 1.656s    33
16    Kevin Magnussen    Haas    1:30.849s    + 1.878s    27
17    Kimi Räikkönen    Alfa Romeo    1:30.928s    + 1.957s    34
18    Nicholas Latifi    Williams    1:30.973s    + 2.002s    32
19    Romain Grosjean    Haas    1:31.119s    + 2.148s    28
20    George Russell    Williams    1:31.636s    + 2.665s    29


Source https://f1i.com/news/391042-bahrain-grand-prix-free-practice-2-results.html

[marioantonini]

Ferrari today was really embarrassing, both cars out in Q2 of qualifying was something to avoid,I would have expected something more from Leclerc at least, but today everything was terrible. Vettel said to think about tomorrow, but with this car, already entering the top 10 would be a miracle

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As expected in this track the engine is too important and because is the main problem for Ferrari they got trouble to pass the Q2.

Is not to be embarassing, they can't touch the engine so they can't do anything to avoid this performance.

I'm surpice by the decison of Ferrari to be favorable for a possible engine freeze.

I think they have ace in their pocket for the new engine of 2022? to be consider this solution or at the current situation make no sense at all.

[Koal-84]

As expected in this track the engine is too important and because is the main problem for Ferrari they got trouble to pass the Q2.

Is not to be embarassing, they can't touch the engine so they can't do anything to avoid this performance.

I'm surpice by the decison of Ferrari to be favorable for a possible engine freeze.

I think they have ace in their pocket for the new engine of 2022? to be consider this solution or at the current situation make no sense at all.

Next face is the same, you need power for this and next track. But congratulation for Hamilton bis 98 pole position. He can make the 100 pole this year 

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They are censuring the images of Grosjean's accident, he was a ball of fire.

Worst accident of years.

He is now ok, but OMG



Source: https://twitter.com/vzrinjski/status/1333053651716280322


The car has to be cut in half.


IDK if they can repair the track so the race may be deleted.

[LTU_btc]

It's incredible that Grosejean survived this awful crash and he more or less OK after it. Nothing left from his car.
But I don't understand why was on fire, especially considering that fuel tank is in back part of car.

[swogerino]

The level of security in F1 is in the highest level possible.I thought some damage would happen to Grosjean after seeing the car going on fire but I saw many times the replay and it showed that Grosjean got out of the car by himself and then came the stewards with the water.The race will be delayed at least 45 minutes from the announcement of Race Control.I predict this race to be a hot one after the restart as no driver is under any pressure now that the Champion and Team constructors titles have been awarded.

[boltz]

The accident of Roman Grosjean from today was the worst I've ever seen in the last 20 years of watching F1. The fact that he survived and walked away on his own legs is really a miracle and all thanks to the halo system. It was horrific to watch and accident and I what was even shocking it was the explosion right after the barrier hit.

I'm so glad he is well and he only was minor burns on his hands and ankles.

[Cnut237]

Yes, it's unbelievable that he could manage to just walk away from that. Incredible work by the FIA and by those who pushed so hard for the halo system to be adopted... there can be zero doubt now about its effectiveness.
That said, accidents like this shouldn't happen. I'm sure there will be a huge investigation into this, particularly with the next race being at the same track.

[LTU_btc]

How pity race ended for Perez. He had almost guaranted 3rd place, but his engine failed few laps before finnish. It's huge blow for Racing Point in fight for 3rd place in constructors championship. While Mclaren took a lot points and now just 5 points behind Racing Point.
Safety car saved 5th place for Gasly, because it was only matter of time when Ricciardo would have overtaken him. Though, seems that bottom of Ricciardo car was damaged.
Another bad race for Bottas. I just don't get his strategy with 4 pit stops.
Albon didn't made anything special today, but achieved very important 3rd place for him.

The accident of Roman Grosjean from today was the worst I've ever seen in the last 20 years of watching F1. The fact that he survived and walked away on his own legs is really a miracle and all thanks to the halo system. It was horrific to watch and accident and I what was even shocking it was the explosion right after the barrier hit.

I'm so glad he is well and he only was minor burns on his hands and ankles.

I must admit that I didn't liked Halo initialy, but today it saved life of Grosjean. It's scary to imagine what consequences would be without it - his car basically stuck between barriers. It's incredible how he walked from big fire on his own feets like Terminator.
Level of safety in current F1 is amazing