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[marioantonini]

it was certainly the most exciting race of 2020. Stroll and Bottas  were literally humiliated from Perez and Hamilton. i'm very happy for Sebastian Vettel deserved the podium not only for the splendid race but as a consolation for a disastrous season.

after 30 laps I would not have expected hamilton to win, but a champion can be seen from these races, even if he was a little helped by luck

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[Cnut237]

Stroll's pit stop was really big mistake. And Hamilton applied a very successful strategy

One thing that people often overlook with Hamilton is how in tune with the car he is. RP bringing in Stroll was a mistake... but Mercedes tried to bring Hamilton in at the end too, and he over-ruled them and decided to stay out. He understood that his tyres would make it to the end, and that new tyres would not be as good, as Bottas was struggling on new ones, and there would also be the wet pit lane to contend with.
If we'd had this the other way around, Stroll demanding to stay out and Ham obeying team and coming in, it might have been a different result.

Congrats to Hamilton!
I am wondering how many world titles Hamilton can still win. He is now 35 years, is still in top shape and still races in the best car. There is some young talent (Verstrappen, Stroll, Leclerc,..) but they are not at the same level as Hamilton. I think Hamilton can reach 10 world titles.

He should be strong favourite for 2021 with the limited changes they can make to the cars. 2022 onwards it's a complete reset of regulations, so we have no idea... but hopefully from 2022 we'll see closer racing between the teams.

[xzone]

One thing that people often overlook with Hamilton is how in tune with the car he is. RP bringing in Stroll was a mistake... but Mercedes tried to bring Hamilton in at the end too, and he over-ruled them and decided to stay out. He understood that his tyres would make it to the end, and that new tyres would not be as good, as Bottas was struggling on new ones, and there would also be the wet pit lane to contend with.
If we'd had this the other way around, Stroll demanding to stay out and Ham obeying team and coming in, it might have been a different result.

You are absolutely right. It was actually a move that showed how successful Hamilton is. I don't know if another driver would take such a risk
When he made so many negative comments about the track the day before, I thought he wouldn't be successful. He gave a very good answer to those who think like me and won the race

[Naida_BR]

it was certainly the most exciting race of 2020. Stroll and Bottas  were literally humiliated from Perez and Hamilton. i'm very happy for Sebastian Vettel deserved the podium not only for the splendid race but as a consolation for a disastrous season.

after 30 laps I would not have expected hamilton to win, but a champion can be seen from these races, even if he was a little helped by luck

Isn't Leclerc humiliated by Vettel?
He missed the podium just 2 corners before reaching the ending line!
It was such an amateurish mistake by him and it was normal to see he being angry in the team radio.

[marioantonini]

it was certainly the most exciting race of 2020. Stroll and Bottas  were literally humiliated from Perez and Hamilton. i'm very happy for Sebastian Vettel deserved the podium not only for the splendid race but as a consolation for a disastrous season.

after 30 laps I would not have expected hamilton to win, but a champion can be seen from these races, even if he was a little helped by luck

Isn't Leclerc humiliated by Vettel?
He missed the podium just 2 corners before reaching the ending line!
It was such an amateurish mistake by him and it was normal to see he being angry in the team radio.

the Leclerc's team radio was very amazing  I like it because when he makes a mistake , admits it
but leclerc only made one mistake (true, rookie mistake), while bottas was even dubbed and stroll since he was first ,finished in ninth position.
I hope the next years we can see Sergio Perez in Red Bull

[Cnut237]

In case anyone's interested, there's a great article here covering Hamilton's entire career, right back from when he started in go-karts, up to now. It's a long read, but it gives some great insight into him as a driver and a person, and how he has changed over the years, and what it is that has changed him.

 

[coinlocket$]

GP Bahrain 2 called "Shakir"

Just saw it, 88 Laps, prediction time for lap 55 seconds 
For sure it will be the faster track ever, faster than Austria's GP.

[-CryptoViking-]

Very good race, lots of interesting things happened and a lot could be seen. First congrats to Hamilton on the title.

To continue, Stroll showed that he deserves to be in F1 and that has a lot of raw pace in him, but time will help him to be more consistent. Perez is going to Red Bull, I'm pretty sure he has more then 80% chance to replace Albon there.

Perez has a lot of sponsor money to bring to Red Bull, crazy consistency that Red Bull needs next to Verstapen and Perez can be 2nd driver, he proved it, without any problems there. He has all that Albon lacks and a bag of money too. Albon only has maybe a bigger talent, but I would say that it is quite questionable still when it comes to that.

All that taken into consideration I expect to see Perez in Red bull next season.

[dre1982]

GP Bahrain 2 called "Shakir"

Just saw it, 88 Laps, prediction time for lap 55 seconds 
For sure it will be the faster track ever, faster than Austria's GP.

With such short laps I think the qualification will be very interesting. The times will be close to each other.

[Koal-84]

it was certainly the most exciting race of 2020. Stroll and Bottas  were literally humiliated from Perez and Hamilton. i'm very happy for Sebastian Vettel deserved the podium not only for the splendid race but as a consolation for a disastrous season.

after 30 laps I would not have expected hamilton to win, but a champion can be seen from these races, even if he was a little helped by luck

I also wondered why the Racing Point were so strong in the first half and so weak in the second half? Hamilton also risked a lot, he was out with the intermediates tires the longest by far! It's too bad for Sauber and that they couldn't make any points in the 500th race from the good starting situation.

[tokeweed]

What a crazy qualification. Rain played huge role to make it exciting and unpredictable. Stroll sometimes get a lot hate because father bought him seat in F1. But he isn't that bad. And it's not first time when he shows his skills in rainy conditions.
I'm a bit suprised that P3 is best qualifying result in Perez career. I remember he had several podium finnishes, so it's a bit strange that he never qualfied higher than P4.
Tomorrow rain is also expected, so we may see interesting and unpredictable race. But even without rain it would be interesting because track is very slippy and Mercedes haven't shown anything impressive so far in this track.

Just wondering..  Would you guys join a free to play F1 pool with real prizes in BTC if some sports betting site made it next year?  And how many of you would join?

I think I know a guy..

I think you know answer from me . It would be cool to have something similar like football prediction pool.

Rofl.  I think it's prolly just gonna be you and me again like the F1 pool at Superbru. 

Anyway, in hindsight with Merc having already won, I think they're prolly starting to play around with their engine modes and are tweaking their set up to see what they can do for the next season...  It could be good from a betting perspective. 

[emrecemsan]

Turkish GP was really awesome. I think it was the best race in the calendar this year. We have seen many surprises. Stroll got the pole position. Mercedes had big problems on the qualifying session. Racing Point, Red Bull and Ferrari benefited from the conditions in the qualifying session. As for the big race, Ferrari were awesome and I'm happy to see Vettel on the podium again after a long time. Perez has done an awesome job two by finishing second. And I think Hamilton proved that he is a legend by winning the race dominantly and being the champion for 7th time.

[coinlocket$]

Just wondering..  Would you guys join a free to play F1 pool with real prizes in BTC if some sports betting site made it next year?  And how many of you would join?

I think I know a guy..

It should be like this...
If you bet on Hamilton you will lose money 

Ferrari will be more competitive for sure, they will have officially a new engine but I think is a more reasonable move for them to go all-in for 2022 with new cars instead of trying to catch up the dominance of Mercedes on the last year of this cars...

[marioantonini]

Just wondering..  Would you guys join a free to play F1 pool with real prizes in BTC if some sports betting site made it next year?  And how many of you would join?

I think I know a guy..

It should be like this...
If you bet on Hamilton you will lose money 

Ferrari will be more competitive for sure, they will have officially a new engine but I think is a more reasonable move for them to go all-in for 2022 with new cars instead of trying to catch up the dominance of Mercedes on the last year of this cars...

surely ferrari will focus everything on 2022, but it cannot afford to repeat such a disastrous result also for 2021, it must at least always be present on the podium, I understand that winning is impossible with this mercedes, but we must at least fight with the red bull in the next year

[Koal-84]

Just wondering..  Would you guys join a free to play F1 pool with real prizes in BTC if some sports betting site made it next year?  And how many of you would join?

I think I know a guy..

It should be like this...
If you bet on Hamilton you will lose money 

Ferrari will be more competitive for sure, they will have officially a new engine but I think is a more reasonable move for them to go all-in for 2022 with new cars instead of trying to catch up the dominance of Mercedes on the last year of this cars...

surely ferrari will focus everything on 2022, but it cannot afford to repeat such a disastrous result also for 2021, it must at least always be present on the podium, I understand that winning is impossible with this mercedes, but we must at least fight with the red bull in the next year

That's true that Mercedes is almost impossible to beat under normal conditions. But Ferrari in particular must not try to excuse itself, they have a very high budget for years and cannot get close to Mercedes, and the tricks with the engine were of course not ideal.

[coinlocket$]

That's true that Mercedes is almost impossible to beat under normal conditions. But Ferrari in particular must not try to excuse itself, they have a very high budget for years and cannot get close to Mercedes, and the tricks with the engine were of course not ideal.

They haven't.
From next year the "salary cap" intended on the maximum amount of money a team can spend will be a thing.

To me the logical thing, if they have the economical potential with the covid is to spend the less possible on the next card and already investing the remaining part of the next year cap into the 2022 car, in this way in the 2022's car you will have more money invested.

[masulum]

The construction of a circuit in West Nusa Tenggara - Indonesia for the MotoGP 2021 are continues, the developer believes that this circuit will become one of the main circuits (not a reserve) to hold MotoGP. However, once construction is complete, the circuit will need to be tested by Dorna and FIM. of course for me an Indonesian citizen is proud if there is a MotoGP in this country next year and for a long time like Sepang circuit.

[aesma]

In case anyone's interested, there's a great article here covering Hamilton's entire career, right back from when he started in go-karts, up to now. It's a long read, but it gives some great insight into him as a driver and a person, and how he has changed over the years, and what it is that has changed him.

 

Thanks I'm reading it ASAP.

Congrats on Hamilton for the win and world championship ! Too bad he couldn't do it beating a stronger competition, but when you're the best, with the best machine (and that's in part thanks to him too), it's more difficult to find competition.

[Naida_BR]

Just wondering..  Would you guys join a free to play F1 pool with real prizes in BTC if some sports betting site made it next year?  And how many of you would join?

I think I know a guy..

It should be like this...
If you bet on Hamilton you will lose money 

Ferrari will be more competitive for sure, they will have officially a new engine but I think is a more reasonable move for them to go all-in for 2022 with new cars instead of trying to catch up the dominance of Mercedes on the last year of this cars...

surely ferrari will focus everything on 2022, but it cannot afford to repeat such a disastrous result also for 2021, it must at least always be present on the podium, I understand that winning is impossible with this mercedes, but we must at least fight with the red bull in the next year

Winning is possible for Ferrari if they invest money on their cars.
Mercedes is the team that gives money to RD, something that Ferrari didn't do during this season maybe because they thought that the season will not be completed due to COVID.

[coinlocket$]

Winning is possible for Ferrari if they invest money on their cars.
Mercedes is the team that gives money to RD, something that Ferrari didn't do during this season maybe because they thought that the season will not be completed due to COVID.

They didn't because there was no point in the regulation.
What is the point in investing all the money where you don't care?

The big problem for Ferrari this year is the engine, "re-born" badly after the last year "ban".
Once born the Engine cannot be touched till the end of the season for the new rules they have.
Now, what is the point to invest money if you can't "repair" your biggest problem? Better save money for the next project.