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[Cnut237]

Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

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Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

Well , I must disagree and still call Ferrari the better car on 2022 but the problem is another in my opinion. For example, how Ferrari is drafting the strategy and the ones who are making it ? by random tickets ? It's not the first year and won't be the last when Ferrari crew simply cannot handle the pressure and making the best decision in a fracture of a second. This will cost them many races from now on if they cannot find a way to balance strategies , races and points.

RedBull should have an easy year if Ferrari will keep looking like they look in the last 3 races.

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I also think that the employees of the Suzuki team will find other jobs, for an investor it would be easy to create a new team with the employees of the "almost" entire Suzuki team. The developers in Japan will stay with Suzuki. The advantage of the current employees is that they will no longer have a contract clause if they move to another team.

This could very possibly happen to some Suzuki crews next year, especially if riders like Alex Rins and Joan Mir could be in great demand by other teams next year so that some crew from Suzuki could also join other teams.

It's easily possible that the Ducati contract with V46 runs for 3 years and I don't think Rossi would break contracts unilaterally, I'm not sure anymore but as a rider he always kept his contracts?

I also don't think that Rossi will terminate the contract in favor of others like Yamaha, because breaking an ongoing contract would have to pay a fine like a penalty.
And it's true as you say that Rossi is a person who always keeps his contract very well.

This weekend is MotoGP in Spain again, Catalunya was always the favourite track for Marquez and Lorenzo to win, this time neither of them is actively present and I don't trust the penultimate winner Dovizioso to win. I think the Ducatis are the favourites again and Fabio and Aleix also have a chance of the podium and victory.

This time I am more confident with Fabio Quartararo to win because last year he was in pole position and almost won, it's just that there was a slight problem with the racing shirt he was wearing which made Fabio Quartararo have to accept a penalty and not get a podium last year. And for this year I think Fabio Quartararo will try to come back for pole position and win races, because he really likes the Catalunya circuit.

Fabio has signed a new 2 year contract with Yamaha and is certainly motivated.

He really deserves to be at Yamaha for another 2 years because he is able to ride a Yamaha bike and compete with more super power bikes like Ducati.

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Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

Well , I must disagree and still call Ferrari the better car on 2022 but the problem is another in my opinion. For example, how Ferrari is drafting the strategy and the ones who are making it ? by random tickets ? It's not the first year and won't be the last when Ferrari crew simply cannot handle the pressure and making the best decision in a fracture of a second. This will cost them many races from now on if they cannot find a way to balance strategies , races and points.

RedBull should have an easy year if Ferrari will keep looking like they look in the last 3 races.

I think Ferrari will learn from their mistakes in these last couple of races,well except the Spain one which was an engine failure for Leclerc.Leclerc on his part took things with a sportive spirit not getting that mad after the race,he said this should not happen again and the Championship is long enough for us to recover and win races and also to fight for both titles in the end.In Monaco it is true that Ferrari could not withstand the pressure very well and they made a big mistake which costed them the race but I am sure in the next race there is plenty of room for them to win this race.It is a city track but one where overtaking can surely take place in a couple of parts of the track.If they screw up again then Ferrari is out of the title race in my opinion.

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Oh c'mon...  But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too.  And it's not just in this race or in this season.  If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too.  Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team.  Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together.  It's just as simple as that.  Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race.  It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live.  But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team.  Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again...  It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it.  I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls.  I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.



And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team.  The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down.  And true enough, they did.  Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

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Again...  It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it.  I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls.  I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.

And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team.  The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down.  And true enough, they did.  Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

As said, yes it was a Ferrari mistake caused by Sainz but AGAIN we missing 2 penalties for Redbull for both cars.
You can't change the rules because they were almost on track, it is 0 or 1, It can't be 0.8.

And the past year they won the title for it.

[Jackl87]

As said, yes it was a Ferrari mistake caused by Sainz but AGAIN we missing 2 penalties for Redbull for both cars.
You can't change the rules because they were almost on track, it is 0 or 1, It can't be 0.8.
And the past year they won the title for it.

I think that Red Bull is not to blame for the mistakes of the FIA. I think that the FIA just did not learn from the mistakes that they have made last year where they have pretty much handed the drivers championship to verstappen.
I think they just make clear to the drivers and the teams that they will give a penalty even if you are only an inch off the track and then they can start to be more strict.
Then they would have probably also gave a penalty to leclerc when he did not drive on the scale at first.

[FanEagle]

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again...  It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it.  I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls.  I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.



And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team.  The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down.  And true enough, they did.  Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

They lost a whole season because of mistakes like this, they have been horrible for a long time, at least 6 years by my calculation. They need to get rid of Binotto first, that is the culprit, if they get rid of him, then whoever comes next could end up working harder and maybe end up getting some new people every position.

I doubt that the problem is with the people who change the tires, they are good enough, it is the strategists that make the mistakes. This means that if you change Binotto, 2 race engineers, and one strategist, then those 4 could bring them the title. But as long as they have these ones, I do not think that it would work at all.

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Marquez got surgery again in the same arm, 4th time since the accident.



Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeV8XKgqlJU/

Is his career over?

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Marquez got surgery again in the same arm, 4th time since the accident.

Is his career over?

It looks like it's over because this year Marquez let alone win, but he hasn't gotten a single podium at all, so many say that his career is over since the injury he suffered two years ago. I also read this news posted by HRC_MotoGp on their instagram account which Honda is happy to announce because the operation was a success for Marquez.


Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeVXRURDJpf/

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Is his career over?

Even if it is not the fact that he made 4th surgeries to the same arm after the accident says a lot about him not being able to compete at 100% of his capacity never again against really new talented riders.That is a big obstacle to him,he may win a couple of races but it is a sure thing that he will have extreme difficulties to win a title in MotoGP anymore.These circumstances may force him to retire and so his career to be over,which I hope it does not happen now or soon from now,I hope to see him racing again and hopefully maybe this 4th surgery is his final one.

[wmaurik]

Is his career over?

Even if it is not the fact that he made 4th surgeries to the same arm after the accident says a lot about him not being able to compete at 100% of his capacity never again against really new talented riders.That is a big obstacle to him,he may win a couple of races but it is a sure thing that he will have extreme difficulties to win a title in MotoGP anymore.These circumstances may force him to retire and so his career to be over,which I hope it does not happen now or soon from now,I hope to see him racing again and hopefully maybe this 4th surgery is his final one.

I also hope so because in the past Marc competed very often at the front and gave fierce competition in all races, but with repeated operations on the same bone, it is clear that this is an obstacle for him and also for the manufacturers who still oversee him. at this time, especially with the very frequent crashes, making it very difficult for Marc and his team to develop the engine components that the manufacturer wants at this time.

[tokeweed]

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again...  It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it.  I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls.  I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.



And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team.  The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down.  And true enough, they did.  Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

They lost a whole season because of mistakes like this, they have been horrible for a long time, at least 6 years by my calculation. They need to get rid of Binotto first, that is the culprit, if they get rid of him, then whoever comes next could end up working harder and maybe end up getting some new people every position.

I doubt that the problem is with the people who change the tires, they are good enough, it is the strategists that make the mistakes. This means that if you change Binotto, 2 race engineers, and one strategist, then those 4 could bring them the title. But as long as they have these ones, I do not think that it would work at all.

Yup, it would suck for Leclerc if he couldn't win the driver's championship this season.  He's really deserving as he seems to be the quickest in most of these races so far.  Now he knows how it is to be like in Vettel's shoes.  Ferrari 2018 man...  That was a season to remember as it was mostly downhill for Vettel after that year.

And in hindsight, it was partly Leclerc's inexperience that cost him the win.  I think if he really had a feel for what's going on out there, he would do it like Sainz and stay out and go straight to slicks.  There are some write ups that Hamilton did the same during 2016 with success.  It's hard to overtake in Monaco so... might as well.

[1kodumtek7]

The Monaco GP was no different than a nightmare for Charles Leclerc indeed. I think that he would win that race definitely unless there was a big problem like engine failure etc.. His pace was incredibly good until that incident. He wasn't having a big problem on opening the gap more with the other drivers. I think that this mistake was absolutely Ferrari's not anyone else's. They should have made their plan properly according to the situation. They caused Leclerc to lose so much time and caused him to finish the race at the fourth spot barely.

[dezoel]

Next week is Baku, as we all know the races in Baku are quite entertaining ones and I am guessing that it is one of the few city tracks that are left which is fun. Last year was insane for example, Max suddenly going out of the race without anything happening just because his tire blew up out of nowhere, and Lewis having such a horrible break situation and "magic button" incident and him being out of top 10 which was the first time in many years.

This is what I am expecting from this race too, not exactly the same thing, but something unexpected happening. That is what Baku is known for (and that tight corner) and if unexpected stuff happens, it will be fun again.

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Next week is Baku, as we all know the races in Baku are quite entertaining ones and I am guessing that it is one of the few city tracks that are left which is fun. Last year was insane for example, Max suddenly going out of the race without anything happening just because his tire blew up out of nowhere, and Lewis having such a horrible break situation and "magic button" incident and him being out of top 10 which was the first time in many years.

This is what I am expecting from this race too, not exactly the same thing, but something unexpected happening. That is what Baku is known for (and that tight corner) and if unexpected stuff happens, it will be fun again.

Baku will tell a lot, it should be an easy win for Redbull.
Ferrari has the fastest car where drag is the key point.

Baku is a fast track and a lot of fast tracks will came later, if they can't find a way to fight in Baku the race for the title is already won by RBR.

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A very extraordinary thing has been inscribed by the Aprilia factory yesterday starting from FP1 which put Maverick Vinales in second, after that in FP2, FP3 and FP4 led by teammate Alex Espargaro who is also from Aprilia.
Likewise in Q1 where Aprilia also dominated it through Maverick Vinales and Alex Espargaro proved himself to be the best in Q2 thus placing himself on pole position for today.
I think today Aprilia will get on the podium again, and can even win if she doesn't make mistakes or when others make mistakes in the race.

[Koal-84]

Is his career over?

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

[uswa56]

Is his career over?

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

I also think so, it's been 2 seasons Marc has not been able to show his best performance after his injury incident in 2020

After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The front three drivers who will fill the starting grid in this weekend's race are nothing surprising because these three drivers are the best at the moment.
but Aleix Espargaró is the driver I look up to the most, he is the rider with the most consistent podium finishes this season and this is a revival for the Aprillia team this season.
Aleix Espargaró controlled FP until qualifying, I think he is a strong candidate to win the Catalunya race.

[wmaurik]

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

There are many accurate examples in the past where riders who have suffered serious injuries are no longer competitive in terms of performance in the race so the same thing will probably be experienced by Marc this season as well as next season.

After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The 3 riders who are on the front grid today are those who got on the podium in last week's race at Mugello, so for today's race it will obviously be very fierce because considering that the three of them must always hunt for the highest podium in order to get more points due to the distance points fellow racers in the standings while not so much.