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[coinlocket$]

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

[Pulsar77]

Ferrari were still dealing with serious problems even though they were faster than Red Bull today. Sainz got rid of a disaster by getting out of his car in time. Leclerc was nearly DNF too if there were at least a few more laps to go. The team must solve their issues as quick as possible. We are in the middle of the season but they still haven't learned their lesson. Otherwise being the champions will stay as a dream for them. These problems will most probably cause Leclerc to end the season without being the champion as well.

[Captain Corporate]

Honestly? It looks like Ferrari gave up reliability for power here, and that paid out for one racer at least. I know that Sainz didn't finish, but when he was racing he was close to overtake Max and that rarely ever happens, and Charles did it 3 times. So the car could be less reliable right now, but it is certainly much much faster. Red Bull needs to just keep it like this and not try to get faster, why? Because if they could keep the reliability issues to a minimum, its obvious that Charles can't win all races, and that will result with Max getting at least some more wins, and he is far off enough to feel comfortable about it.

[Koal-84]

We will see what the problem of Sainz was, the update worked so beautifully on Haas, they could fight Mercedes!

I don't know when they want to implement Ferrari.

I also noticed that Haas is very strong, but Alfa was not so strong. Did Ferrari also upgrade the engine or did Haas change something bigger in the aerodynamics?

At the Red Bull Ring the Ferrari was definitely stronger than the Red Bull, but reliability is a big weakness for Ferrari if they want to fight for the constructors' title.

[swogerino]

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

[savetheFORUM]

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

Red Bull could certainly do an improvement on their car if they want to, but the question is, would you rather spend money on this year's car, or would it be better to spend that money on next year's car?

There is a limited amount of people working on the car, and limited amount of resources, so if you focus on this year's car, then you would continue the upgrades from where you left off this year when next season starts. They are already ahead so much, as a team they are even further ahead, would they be able to keep that difference locked and ready until the season ends? Or will they need to improve to win it this year? I do not know, I mean even at the current rate, they may still win the title, who knows?

[Cnut237]

Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

[Juggy777]

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

Red Bull could certainly do an improvement on their car if they want to, but the question is, would you rather spend money on this year's car, or would it be better to spend that money on next year's car?

There is a limited amount of people working on the car, and limited amount of resources, so if you focus on this year's car, then you would continue the upgrades from where you left off this year when next season starts. They are already ahead so much, as a team they are even further ahead, would they be able to keep that difference locked and ready until the season ends? Or will they need to improve to win it this year? I do not know, I mean even at the current rate, they may still win the title, who knows?

I strongly believe that Redbull can’t afford to get over confident here, and they should definitely work on their upgrades for this season to make sure that they continue to remain ahead of their competition.

Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

@Cnut237 I totally agree with you because Ferrari promised us lots of stuff, but so far it’s Redbull that’s stealing the show hence in my personal opinion Max is definitely the favourite to win the title.

[Luzin]

It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.
I saw some sports news on TV that Marquez had already taken off his arm support. That seems to be good news, maybe Marquez wants to get back to racing soon. But they shouldn't have forced it anymore, Marquez should have healed completely. I think if he's forced it will ruin his tubu. He's been on the operating table a lot and it's a severe injury.
Although he returns later, maybe Marquez needs to study psychology so that he can save more and not put his life in danger too much. Next up is the Silverstone GP, England. last year Quartararo was champion here. What's next week?

[swogerino]

Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

The next track in France should tell us more than this one,as here we had three DRS zones so that helped a lot the Ferraris without removing their speed which looked like it has improved.In the Haas it surely has and for next race these upgrades are also scheduled to be installed in the Ferraris.It will be difficult for Ferrari and Leclerc to win the Championship even if they are better in speed as we have seen Redbull plays really well in defense too,by minimizing the damage to just 6 points lost from such race.Doing such calculation and taking into account any reliability problem for Ferrari things are not looking good.

[tokeweed]

it was easily a 1-2 for Ferrari but sadly Sainz got some problems.


Have you seen the Haas? they were using the new version of the Ferrari Hybrid engine and they were so fast! Ferrari will use it soon aswell

Yup!  Schumacher at 6th?  I think that's the highest finish he's ever had since he joined Haas or F1 for that matter.  And two spots above Magnussen too.    Can't wait to see more in a couple of weeks.

And when do you think is Ferrari using the new version of those power units.  I think from a fan perspective, use it asap!  Verstappen seems so relaxed rn.  I wanna see Leclerc win three straight races and make the driver's championship close...  That way we'll see Verstappen back in villain mode like he did vs Hamilton. 

[Koal-84]

It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.
I saw some sports news on TV that Marquez had already taken off his arm support. That seems to be good news, maybe Marquez wants to get back to racing soon. But they shouldn't have forced it anymore, Marquez should have healed completely. I think if he's forced it will ruin his tubu. He's been on the operating table a lot and it's a severe injury.
Although he returns later, maybe Marquez needs to study psychology so that he can save more and not put his life in danger too much. Next up is the Silverstone GP, England. last year Quartararo was champion here. What's next week?

Right here in the forum, MotoGP is not as popular as Formula 1, and MotoGP has just had its summer break, so the only thing you hear or see is how the MotoGP riders spend their holidays.

I think Marc Marquez will never come back as strong as he once was, he overdid it right after the first crash and went to the limit again with the known consequences. He is still a very good rider and will win the one or other race but I don't think he will become world champion again.

[coinlocket$]

Funt stats about pit stops with new tires. (so far)



Source: https://inmotion.dhl/en/formula-1/fastest-pit-stop-award?utm_content=f1-fps-portal&utm_source=f1&utm_medium=f1&utm_campaign=f1-fps-portal

Redbull is dominating here.

[Davian144]

It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.

It's not a problem that not too many people like MotoGP, but because there is nothing to discuss during this time off so most people just watch F1 while waiting for the second half of MotoGP to start and some people also don't follow MotoGP anymore after the era of Valentino Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa where they were so often referred to as the fantastic four in the past are no longer in MotoGP at this time.

I saw some sports news on TV that Marquez had already taken off his arm support. That seems to be good news, maybe Marquez wants to get back to racing soon. But they shouldn't have forced it anymore, Marquez should have healed completely. I think if he's forced it will ruin his tubu. He's been on the operating table a lot and it's a severe injury.
Although he returns later, maybe Marquez needs to study psychology so that he can save more and not put his life in danger too much. Next up is the Silverstone GP, England. last year Quartararo was champion here. What's next week?

I think it's a very good option if the Honda team no longer exerts pressure or coercion to keep winning races through a Marquez, because Marquez is not as strong as he used to be so letting him ride without pressure is a very good thing this season.

Right here in the forum, MotoGP is not as popular as Formula 1, and MotoGP has just had its summer break, so the only thing you hear or see is how the MotoGP riders spend their holidays.

What I see is that some of the riders are enjoying their vacation and some of them have also got their weddings because considering this is the perfect time to take advantage of the summer break.

I think Marc Marquez will never come back as strong as he once was, he overdid it right after the first crash and went to the limit again with the known consequences. He is still a very good rider and will win the one or other race but I don't think he will become world champion again.

The same. I also don't think that Marquez will fight for the world title again because it has started to be difficult for him and also he will be very difficult to win this season because his competitors now are young riders who are still very strong with their respective manufacturers.

[Cnut237]

Funt stats about pit stops with new tires. (so far)
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Redbull is dominating here.

That's quite interesting. I know the time axis on the chart doesn't start at zero, so it's potentially a little misleading... however there are certainly a however a couple of things to note from that:

- Ferrari do seem to be wildly inconsistent compared to RB and Mercedes. On more than half of the tracks, they're on a par with or even better than RB, which is quite a surprise as I'd always thought RB were the undisputed best at quick pit stops. But then on other tracks, Ferrari are really slow and their stops take twice as long.

- At the two tracks where Ferrari struggled the most, one (but not the other) of their two main competitors also struggled.

I suppose there's only a few stops per team per track, so one bad stop can really skew the average, but it's still interesting.

[tokeweed]

^  But Ferrari looking good the last couple of races.  They're prolly getting their shit together now and start gaining points vs Red Bull in both driver's and constructor's championships...  And the next race is going to be in France too.  Leclerc should be a bit more motivated going into the race weekend.  The Alpines are something to watch too and the Haas.  

After 11 races, I gotta say that the team that disappointed me the most is Aston Martin.  It was a good consistent mid table team that started declining in terms of results even though huge sums of money came in when Lawrence Stroll took over.

[FanEagle]

The fun thing is, Red Bull was so fast on pit stops for a while that F1 literally said under 2 seconds is a risk and teams should try to stay above that line. I mean not that it happens all the time, but we have seen them do it, and I do not remember too many other teams that does it.

And yes maybe 1 second in a race doesn't look that much different, but in pit stops that's the difference for acceleration and that makes at least 3-4 seconds difference since it's a stop and go. This is why I believe Red Bull still has a big advantage, I get that Austria didn't look that great to them, but next up, they will get back on the horse and win another race and show the world that that was just one time bad look.

[coinlocket$]

The fun thing is, Red Bull was so fast on pit stops for a while that F1 literally said under 2 seconds is a risk and teams should try to stay above that line. I mean not that it happens all the time, but we have seen them do it, and I do not remember too many other teams that does it.

And yes maybe 1 second in a race doesn't look that much different, but in pit stops that's the difference for acceleration and that makes at least 3-4 seconds difference since it's a stop and go. This is why I believe Red Bull still has a big advantage, I get that Austria didn't look that great to them, but next up, they will get back on the horse and win another race and show the world that that was just one time bad look.

1 second is all you need in this F1.

1 second is what you need to be able to use DRS and get an easier life with overtaking.

[Koal-84]

1 second is all you need in this F1.

1 second is what you need to be able to use DRS and get an easier life with overtaking.

I agree, one second is a lot of time in Formula 1. This year and in the last few years, we have seen that RedBull has and had the most perfect pit stops in the last few years, and Ferrari has felt the bigger slip-ups, with Mercedes in the middle. A quick and well-timed pit stop can, for example, mean being in front of the competition at an undercut or falling behind the driver behind if there are problems.

RedBull had the fastest pit stop in F1 history with 1.82 seconds, 1.82 seconds you have to imagine, unfortunately the FIA introduced a new rule and stopped RedBull's extremely fast pit stops.

https://youtu.be/wsCriICZ-nA

https://autorevue.at/sport/schnellster-boxenstopp

[Davian144]

Honda “has to change way of thinking” to end MotoGP slump
Honda team boss Alberto Puig says the marque must “change our way of thinking” to end the current MotoGP slump it is enduring.

It's very sad for the Honda team in MotoGP at this time because Honda themselves have changed the shape of their bike in 2022 in order to increase traction at the rear, but are experiencing problems at the front and it has tortured their riders overall by not being able to reach very good results or just achieve results beyond the expectations of Honda.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/honda-change-way-thinking-slump/10337023/