Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[Koal-84]

If you look at the temporary standings in MotoGP this season. I think the European manufacturers are much better and consistent in developing everything for their racing bikes than the Japanese manufacturers at the moment. Because only the Yamaha factory is seen in the MotoGP standings and also in every race that has taken place this season. This makes me feel a little surprised to other Japanese manufacturers why this is so, even though in the previous season several other Japanese manufacturers were also very visible and sharp.

I also see so, the last 2 decades has led no way past a Japanese manufacturer, somehow something has gone wrong, the first problems there were since the unit electronics, they were in their own electronics development, they were leaders, in the unit electronics have all the same material and it seems that the European manufacturers can handle it better, maybe it is an advantage that Magneti Marelli is an Italian manufacturer?

[jostorres]

We are exactly two weeks away from the next race in F1 which is the Spa GP. This is one of the tracks I love in F1 honestly. There have been some suggestions to change the track a little to make it safer for the drivers but I don't know if this will be happening. I just hope that it doesn't become one of the tracks that are removed from the calendar for good. It is really difficult to predict who can win the race now as there have been many different drivers winning this race. Normally it would be Verstappen or Leclerc now. I think Verstappen might be one step ahead considering the recent performances.

They are looking to diversify the F1 circuits to better! between continents, and I really think this is necessary and an excellent decision.
However, I don't believe that the Spa GP will be eliminated from the F1 calendar as this is one of the historic and great circuits like Monza, Silverstone and Monaco, for example.

I think that in fact every circuit should be someone's favorite, whether because of the complexity that requires skill from the drivers, narrow and exciting tracks or those that have a lot of fast lanes, but F1 needs to keep innovating and this change is natural and necessary.

It's obvious that some places are F1 history, like monaco as the most famous one. It's a boring race, and it doesn't give you that much of a racing fun, maybe there are some issues like Ferrari had double stack by mistake which impacts the results, but at the end of the day it's a boring race most of the time.

Even with that in mind, I can say that they are not going to remove it that easily. But we had a lot of historical ones before and yet we saw those tracks gets removed anyway, places that had races for over a decade and then got removed. Hence, I am not sure if all will stay forever, we could see it change, plus there are new tracks built constantly, eventually there could be replacements for sure.

[coinlocket$]

Steiner, the boss of Hass confirmed that he will not sell the club, we got several rumors during this year about it.

(This is a good news for Ferrari, they can continue to test parts on Haas)

[wmaurik]

I also see so, the last 2 decades has led no way past a Japanese manufacturer, somehow something has gone wrong, the first problems there were since the unit electronics, they were in their own electronics development, they were leaders, in the unit electronics have all the same material and it seems that the European manufacturers can handle it better, maybe it is an advantage that Magneti Marelli is an Italian manufacturer?

Yeah, it's very possible that the Magneti Marelli electronic device is from an Italian manufacturer. Because as I read on wikipedia, Magneti Marelli is an Italian company that is currently actively developing and producing high-tech systems, modules, and components for use in the automotive industry.
So it is very clear in this case that motorcycle manufacturers from Italy are currently benefiting from the use of the Magneti Marelli electronic device in MotoGP.

[Velvet78]

Ferrari maybe found the problem with their engine.

It would be the drive shaft. They are already working on it and will be able to solve the problem by changing the engine for free as it will fall into the category "change for safety reasons"

I'm glad to hear about that. They still have two weeks ahead of them for the next race. Hopefully this is enough time for Ferrari to fix their problems. Things are much more difficult for Leclerc about the championship maybe but Ferrari still have a significant chance to win the constructor's championship. They had better work things out quick because of that. If Ferrari prepare a better car for the Spa Grand Prix then I will start to favour Leclerc to win that race.

[coinlocket$]

I'm glad to hear about that. They still have two weeks ahead of them for the next race. Hopefully this is enough time for Ferrari to fix their problems. Things are much more difficult for Leclerc about the championship maybe but Ferrari still have a significant chance to win the constructor's championship. They had better work things out quick because of that. If Ferrari prepare a better car for the Spa Grand Prix then I will start to favour Leclerc to win that race.

I don't know how it works with the "safety excuse"
Normally in the summer break, teams must stop their work, they can't touch the cars nor work on upgrades.

It may exist a special rule and permission when they need to work for "safety manners" but I really don't know.


For sure they will be able to get a new engine without penalty but I don't know if it will come on next GP or later during the season.

[bestcoins1]

Michelin plans to change the base material on the tires they produce in the future (2024) and are already testing MotoE now. And because the results are not bad on the performance produced by the motorbike, Michelin decided to make tires with orange peel material and recycled plastic. He said tires with this material can withstand all weather conditions, as Manager Bonardel said in an interview.
https://www.gpone.com/it/2022/08/14/motogp/michelin-nel-2024-con-gomme-allarancia-con-il-40-di-materiali-riciclati.html

[Captain Corporate]

Who do you think will come back stronger? I mean it is a very big gap during this summer break, and we see teams get better and better during the season from race to race, so if they are that good on improving (of course there are improvements on the line before anyway) that means we may end up seeing something awesome. I guess Mercedes and Toto are believing that with these new stuff, they are going to get rid of that bouncing and they will have a chance to race with full power, so far they haven't because the more power they used, the more they bounced and lost speed, and that held them back, anyone thinks they could make a big huge comeback?

[jaberwock]

Who do you think will come back stronger? I mean it is a very big gap during this summer break, and we see teams get better and better during the season from race to race, so if they are that good on improving (of course there are improvements on the line before anyway) that means we may end up seeing something awesome. I guess Mercedes and Toto are believing that with these new stuff, they are going to get rid of that bouncing and they will have a chance to race with full power, so far they haven't because the more power they used, the more they bounced and lost speed, and that held them back, anyone thinks they could make a big huge comeback?

I think it is clear that Ferrari has the biggest potential to comeback better. Because, they do not even need a car improvement to be better. They just need to go back and watch all the mistakes they did about pits and their timing, and they could end up with a much better second half of the season.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that other teams suck or anything, sure Mercedes could get better, but if Ferrari has a great strategy improvement and pit amazingly and correctly each time on perfect laps and right tires etc etc all great, then we are going to see them get a ton more points instead of losing points out of nowhere without a reason.

[blue Snow]

Michelin plans to change the base material on the tires they produce in the future (2024) and are already testing MotoE now. And because the results are not bad on the performance produced by the motorbike, Michelin decided to make tires with orange peel material and recycled plastic. He said tires with this material can withstand all weather conditions, as Manager Bonardel said in an interview.

So, if the new material is suitable for the Moto GP track and condition, I think is good also to reduce cost because plastic is cheaper than rubber material, but we still don't know if Yamaha, especially Quartararo wants to use it because he is very chatty when talking about tired, if not soft he will use a previous material when allowed to choose.

[Koal-84]

I'm looking forward to this weekend, I'm curious how the new chicane will affect Spielberg, maybe it will work out for me and I can be there live in Spielberg. The new chicane and the following uphill section could be an advantage for Ducati, but as the chicane is not built very smoothly, it is difficult to say in advance who could benefit from it?

[swogerino]

I'm looking forward to this weekend, I'm curious how the new chicane will affect Spielberg, maybe it will work out for me and I can be there live in Spielberg. The new chicane and the following uphill section could be an advantage for Ducati, but as the chicane is not built very smoothly, it is difficult to say in advance who could benefit from it?

This is a relatively fast track and Ducati is the main team which I  think to benefit the most out of this track but their riders should be very careful as the slightest error costs you the race in such a track with a lot of relatively fast corners.I also think though that this track is a very technical one,not as technical as Assen but needs riders with experience,so the other riders the one who have more experience can make a difference here.

[Koal-84]

The new engine specifications have now been announced, the new engines will have around 1020 hp in 2026, the combustion engine will have around 550 hp and the electronic unit will have on just about 470 hp. The fuel will be 100% synthetic. Now one waits only for the entrance and announcement of Audi and Porsche. MGU-H is now officially dropped.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/2026-f1-engines-rules-approval-clears-way-for-porsche-and-audi/

[Jackl87]

Who do you think will come back stronger? I mean it is a very big gap during this summer break, and we see teams get better and better during the season from race to race, so if they are that good on improving (of course there are improvements on the line before anyway) that means we may end up seeing something awesome. I guess Mercedes and Toto are believing that with these new stuff, they are going to get rid of that bouncing and they will have a chance to race with full power, so far they haven't because the more power they used, the more they bounced and lost speed, and that held them back, anyone thinks they could make a big huge comeback?

I definitely think, that it is possible that Mercedes can right for race wins again after the summer break. I mean if we take a look at the races in this season so far then the development of the Mercedes has been very positive. At the beginning they had extreme problems with porpoising and that's why they just did not have the speed to be competitive in the first few races. After a few weeks though they definitely made improvements to the car and now the porpoising is almost gone and Mercedes was at the podium consecutive times now in the last races before the break.
It is too late o fight for a championship now, but i think Mercedes can definitely win a few races.

[Davian144]

I'm looking forward to this weekend, I'm curious how the new chicane will affect Spielberg, maybe it will work out for me and I can be there live in Spielberg. The new chicane and the following uphill section could be an advantage for Ducati, but as the chicane is not built very smoothly, it is difficult to say in advance who could benefit from it?

I see that the location of the new chicane on a straight road that was previously used by Ducati is also an advantage for a bike that doesn't have a lot of power like Ducati, because a bike like Yamaha can use the new chicane to get close to its opponent in the race. But for this weekend I'm still ahead of Ducati as the champion because the Ducati side is in high confidence and will try to get more points at the Spielberg Red Bull Ring.

[FanEagle]

I think it is clear that Ferrari has the biggest potential to comeback better. Because, they do not even need a car improvement to be better. They just need to go back and watch all the mistakes they did about pits and their timing, and they could end up with a much better second half of the season.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that other teams suck or anything, sure Mercedes could get better, but if Ferrari has a great strategy improvement and pit amazingly and correctly each time on perfect laps and right tires etc etc all great, then we are going to see them get a ton more points instead of losing points out of nowhere without a reason.

If they could have done it, they would have done it already. It's clear that there is a talent to be a strategist, a race engineer, and team boss none of which Ferrari has, even if they want to, they will always fail because they are not good at it. Give the whole team outside of car and driver to Red Bull and red bull would have been bad this year, same car, same drivers, too would have taken them to top.

So, it's all about the staff part and they can't get better, only if they somehow hire new people all around. Red Bull will be good enough, Mercedes will become second team and Ferrari will drop to third, and that's how we are going to finish off the season.

[Koal-84]

I see that the location of the new chicane on a straight road that was previously used by Ducati is also an advantage for a bike that doesn't have a lot of power like Ducati, because a bike like Yamaha can use the new chicane to get close to its opponent in the race. But for this weekend I'm still ahead of Ducati as the champion because the Ducati side is in high confidence and will try to get more points at the Spielberg Red Bull Ring.

In any case Spielberg is very good for the Ducatis, the new chicane won't change that, as in Formula 1 the full throttle percentage in Spielberg is very high, probably the highest of the whole season. But let's wait and see what the weather will be like this year, rain is possible and as we remember from last year, anything is possible at Flag to Flag.



https://at.wetter.com/wetter_aktuell/wettervorhersage/wochenend_vorhersage/oesterreich/spielberg-bei-knittelfeld/ATAT20370.html

[ryzaadit]

I want to get opinions from F1 Fans.

What do you think about "Drive to Survive" on Netflix? this year I really enjoyed "F1" due MotoGP in my perspective no longer fun due there is no drama at all like (Rossi with Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa and Marc). Because watching "DTS" on 2021, the drama between Lewis and Max but not only the driver. Both of the team & leader principal is also attacking is other, it makes me really fun to watch since there has some drama behind the race.

Some people in say "DTS" is garbage, but I want to know from the perspective people who are enjoying/fans F1 before DTS is created. What do u think about that ?

[swogerino]

I want to get opinions from F1 Fans.

What do you think about "Drive to Survive" on Netflix? this year I really enjoyed "F1" due MotoGP in my perspective no longer fun due there is no drama at all like (Rossi with Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa and Marc). Because watching "DTS" on 2021, the drama between Lewis and Max but not only the driver. Both of the team & leader principal is also attacking is other, it makes me really fun to watch since there has some drama behind the race.

Some people in say "DTS" is garbage, but I want to know from the perspective people who are enjoying/fans F1 before DTS is created. What do u think about that ?

I am a regular F1 fan never missing to watch a single race in any season or circumstance.I can tell you that although that is a great series it never gives you the feeling of the drama that we have seen last year,also this year we are seeing a good calm F1 season so far which is being dominated by the Ferrari mistakes which have made possible for Leclerc to not be in a comfortable position to fight for the title.So a good series to enjoy but it is not the same as what we are experiencing in F1 seasons.Personally I am not attracted from such series despite being a huge F1 fan.

[ryzaadit]

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I agree with the series.

However, the problem with Die Hard F1 Fans saying that "DTS" is garbage. Since, I enjoy F1 right now makes me want to search more. Like, right now I know the behind why F1 is really enjoying to be watch comparing to MotoGP.

Since "Liberty Media" take over, the content and media is really fun to enjoy since they know and not always share the same content over & over again. While "MotoGP" highlight is always sold a crash video over the time>

They still doing this right now ~LOL.