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Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

This is the thing I'm afraid of the most.

If Verstappen continues to dominate F1 for long years seasons will start to become boring again. Verstappen is so close to increasing his title streak to two seasons now. I have hopes about next season though. Because it depends on how much Ferrari and Mercedes develop themselves to be a serious competitor for Red Bull. Maybe we can see McLaren or Alpine doing much better than this too but it is still difficult for them to join the title race as there is a big gap to close up.

Even if Verstappen wins that season also, at least I hope to see a big competition for the championship between two or maybe even three drivers. These drivers would be Verstappen, Leclerc and Hamilton I guess. Hamilton wants the 8th title to own the record only himself so I don't think he would let Russell get past him when they both have fast cars.

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Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

This is the thing I'm afraid of the most.

If Verstappen continues to dominate F1 for long years seasons will start to become boring again. Verstappen is so close to increasing his title streak to two seasons now. I have hopes about next season though. Because it depends on how much Ferrari and Mercedes develop themselves to be a serious competitor for Red Bull. Maybe we can see McLaren or Alpine doing much better than this too but it is still difficult for them to join the title race as there is a big gap to close up.

Even if Verstappen wins that season also, at least I hope to see a big competition for the championship between two or maybe even three drivers. These drivers would be Verstappen, Leclerc and Hamilton I guess. Hamilton wants the 8th title to own the record only himself so I don't think he would let Russell get past him when they both have fast cars.

I feel like it's not going to be that easy for Verstappen. I mean look at it this way, Hamilton used to win with 30+ seconds, sometimes as high as 1 minute difference to closest one. I remember very clearly the 2020 silverstone where he literally finished the last lap with one tire missing and still won, he was that much dominant.

Verstappen doesn't have that, sure he looks like the best one right now, but let's remember how it looked during first weeks of the season. Ferrari got worse, Mercedes got better, next season when both of those teams get it together they are going to be a tough opponent for Verstappen for sure. I don't see that kind of domination to be fair.

[bestcoins1]

18 points is not really much, you only have to slip once, there are still 100 points to be awarded, but if Fabio does it cleverly he could keep the lead until the end, correctly Bagnaia and Aleix now have the pressure to always be in front of Fabio, but it remains exciting.

Yeah, 18 points is not a lot for Pecco Bagnaia to chase and it could be very easy to chase if Fabio Quartararo doesn't finish in a good position in the next race (ThailandGP) this week. And I predict that this week's race which takes place in Thailand will be very exciting if the circuit does not rain.

In Thailand I expect the Ducatis to be at the front again, long straights favour the Ducatis a bit, Bagnaia had a run, he mustn't get too nervous now.

There are two straight tracks on the Chang Thailand circuit that Ducati can take advantage of and it seems that the Ducati riders did not hear the instructions from Davide Tardozzi. They will all fight as usual without seeing Pecco Bagnaia who is fighting for the world title this season.

[Koal-84]

Yeah, 18 points is not a lot for Pecco Bagnaia to chase and it could be very easy to chase if Fabio Quartararo doesn't finish in a good position in the next race (ThailandGP) this week. And I predict that this week's race which takes place in Thailand will be very exciting if the circuit does not rain.

There are two straight tracks on the Chang Thailand circuit that Ducati can take advantage of and it seems that the Ducati riders did not hear the instructions from Davide Tardozzi. They will all fight as usual without seeing Pecco Bagnaia who is fighting for the world title this season.

If Bagnaia can get back to the run/form he had before the Japan Grand Prix, the 18 points won't be much, that's true, but let's wait and see if he has the nerve to do it, he knows it's all about the World Championship title again like last year when he crashed. If he finds the lightness and finishes first in Thailand, it will be difficult for Fabio.

I don't think there will be a stable order from Ducati in the next 2 races, which I could imagine, if Bagnaia is behind Miller, Miller won't really spread himself, Miller has said he wants to help Bagnaia and Ducati.

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I read the news in F1 Instagram page which is highlighted as BREAKING there for Zhou to continue with Alfa Romeo Orlen.I have nothing against it except the motivation which showed that Zhou showed sensational performance in his first year in a F1 car said Alfa Rome team for the decision.I follow F1 every single session from free practice to the races and I rarely miss one,I have apparently missed this sensational performance from Zhou during this season as I have seen nothing sensational from him so far during the season in F1.

For me most probably what is sensational are his sponsors which I think have convinced Alfa Romeo to extend another year the contract with him.

[tokeweed]

So it is basically official now.
Latifi will be not on William the next year.

Will the goat be able to find a new seat?

In F1? I doubt

Latifi is considered one of the most irregular drivers on the circuit in recent years, not just in 2022. Everyone remembers Latifi for the famous mistakes he has already made, mainly for being the protagonist of last year's championship decision, when he crashed alone, forcing the entry of the safety car, which culminated in the victory and the title of Max Verstappen over Lewis Hamilton.

I'm sorry but Latifi is too bad to be in F1, who's going to want him?

Who's going to want him?  A struggling team that needs to get hold of some money to fund their team and the car development that comes with it.  Latifi is a pay driver in case didn't know.  He wasn't given his drive because he's a good driver.  He was given the Williams seat because his dad gave millions to the team and brought other sponsors to support Williams.

You guys look it up.  I guess Latifi could go to Haas if they want to accept his money...  At least I hope he goes to Haas or some other team.  He's good for the memes.  Lolol.

[tygeade]

I feel like it's not going to be that easy for Verstappen. I mean look at it this way, Hamilton used to win with 30+ seconds, sometimes as high as 1 minute difference to closest one. I remember very clearly the 2020 silverstone where he literally finished the last lap with one tire missing and still won, he was that much dominant.

Verstappen doesn't have that, sure he looks like the best one right now, but let's remember how it looked during first weeks of the season. Ferrari got worse, Mercedes got better, next season when both of those teams get it together they are going to be a tough opponent for Verstappen for sure. I don't see that kind of domination to be fair.

It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.

So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

[AndySt]

It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.
So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

This Formula 1 season is both a triumph for Red Bull and Verstappen, and at the same time a failure for Ferrari, despite the fact that the team is in second place in the championship. If everything ends as it is happening now, and there are no prerequisites for another objectively, given the separation of Verstapeppen and the small number of races that remain until the end of the season, then Ferrari with its stupid mistakes and miscalculations can be considered a co-author of the triumph of Red Bull. All this, of course, does not negate the power of Red Bull, but unlike Mercedes, which could not present a competitive car this year, Ferrari was obliged to impose tougher competition in the fight for the title of the best driver.

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It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.
So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

This Formula 1 season is both a triumph for Red Bull and Verstappen, and at the same time a failure for Ferrari, despite the fact that the team is in second place in the championship. If everything ends as it is happening now, and there are no prerequisites for another objectively, given the separation of Verstapeppen and the small number of races that remain until the end of the season, then Ferrari with its stupid mistakes and miscalculations can be considered a co-author of the triumph of Red Bull. All this, of course, does not negate the power of Red Bull, but unlike Mercedes, which could not present a competitive car this year, Ferrari was obliged to impose tougher competition in the fight for the title of the best driver.

Unfortunately this is a sad truth.Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

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If Bagnaia can get back to the run/form he had before the Japan Grand Prix, the 18 points won't be much, that's true, but let's wait and see if he has the nerve to do it, he knows it's all about the World Championship title again like last year when he crashed. If he finds the lightness and finishes first in Thailand, it will be difficult for Fabio.

That's why the competition will still be fun to watch because there are 100 more points still up for grabs by all the riders at this point including Bagnaia and Quartararo starting from Thailand this week. Because both will try to finish in the highest rank in the remaining races, because finishing on the second and third podiums is not necessarily safe for both of them if one of them is on the first podium.

I don't think there will be a stable order from Ducati in the next 2 races, which I could imagine, if Bagnaia is behind Miller, Miller won't really spread himself, Miller has said he wants to help Bagnaia and Ducati.

Miller really loves Bagnaia even though this year is his last year on the Ducati team because next year Miller will go to the KTM team. And I also don't think that another Ducati rider (independent team) will help Bagnaia in winning the world title although Ducati would be very happy if their satellite team is willing to help Bagnaia in this.

[Zackgeno96]

Verstappen has already said that they are in no rush for the World Cup title, and that the focus is not there. I think he's right, he's already unofficial world champion, that title has long been celebrated behind the scenes. It's just a matter of waiting when he gets the title. I can't remember that an F1 driver with so much power has become world champion. Not even Senna and Schumacher. Perhaps Max has more talent than Senna and Schumacher, but that cannot be measured of course. It was actually a very boring season, it seemed to be a man 2 man fight between Verstappen and Leclerc but that was over after a few circuits.

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[FanEagle]

Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

They had a few errors both from the pit, and from the drivers as well. I am guessing that they are going to come back much better next season, they are going to try to keep the mistakes to a minimum, and if they could do that then they would be closer to Red Bull. The reality is that they have lost maybe close to 100 points so far just from mistakes, and the team is responsible for most of it instead of drivers to be honest.

If we could see them doing a lot better, that 100 points taken from Red Bull and given to Ferrari would be basically the whole roles reversed and they would be doing a lot better. Next year should be the goal to reach that exact thing.

[swogerino]

Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

They had a few errors both from the pit, and from the drivers as well. I am guessing that they are going to come back much better next season, they are going to try to keep the mistakes to a minimum, and if they could do that then they would be closer to Red Bull. The reality is that they have lost maybe close to 100 points so far just from mistakes, and the team is responsible for most of it instead of drivers to be honest.

If we could see them doing a lot better, that 100 points taken from Red Bull and given to Ferrari would be basically the whole roles reversed and they would be doing a lot better. Next year should be the goal to reach that exact thing.

The errors started from the drivers but then they got out of control from the team and I agree when the team makes stupid errors like those they are the full responsible for the failure.I think they have learned their lesson the hard way and as you say they lost 100 points which if they didn't we would be now in the middle of one of the most interesting seasons of F1 history but those errors are responsible for this too.They have already started working for the next year car but most other teams started even early so I think we can see an improved performance from McLaren at least for the next year as they started the development of their car of next season really early during this one.

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[Pulsar77]

McLaren's special design looks lovely by the way.    It seems much better than the small details on Ferrari in the Monza GP. There is a bigger effort in this surely.


Here we go!

It is another race week and I'm quite happy to see F1 back after nearly a three-week break. Even though we all know the likely result of this race I still want to enjoy a decent race. Maybe we won't see much competition for the lead but there might be a nice rivalry behind among Mercedes and Ferrari drivers. I mean the only way Leclerc can compete for the lead is that Verstappen has serious issues with his car or makes a crucial mistake to give Leclerc an opportunity. But Red Bull have the most consistent car among all teams now so it is difficult to see any issue.

Let's just enjoy watching a night race.  

[alegotardo]

Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

Max Verstappen is better than Hamilton and much more than that, if Verstappen wins the championship in Singapore he will be one race away from the incredible record set by Michael Schumacher who currently holds the record for the earliest world championship title, won in 2000. with just 11 races in the season in a year of seventeen races in total.... Verstappen will do this with five races remaining, compared to Schumacher's six.

[blue Snow]

18 points lead makes Quartararo more comfortable in the remaining 4 Races this season, he just needs to be consistent to become world champion. and now the pressure is back on Bagnaia, even though before the Motegi Race Bagnaia was very convincing to be able to approach Quartararo's points which he had done in several previous Races but unfortunately he was in a hurry and made a mistake on the last lap that made him fall.
Now Bagnaia has to fight hard in the remaining 4 Races of the season, this will still be interesting because 18 points are still very likely to be pursued.

18 points is not really much, you only have to slip once, there are still 100 points to be awarded, but if Fabio does it cleverly he could keep the lead until the end, correctly Bagnaia and Aleix now have the pressure to always be in front of Fabio, but it remains exciting.

In Thailand I expect the Ducatis to be at the front again, long straights favour the Ducatis a bit, Bagnaia had a run, he mustn't get too nervous now.

I don't worry about the rival of Bagnaia, but I have to worry about another Ducati racer who can be the black horse for Quartararo. Yes, Miller and Bastianini are a must to watch carefully, they do not show up their power drastically like the partner Bagnaia, they have come secretive which can make the surprise until the finish. And, what a point I make sure is, Quartararo is not good either, he's not fierce anymore like a year ago where can be possible can beat from Ducati team on this year.

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[koang]

I don't worry about the rival of Bagnaia, but I have to worry about another Ducati racer who can be the black horse for Quartararo. Yes, Miller and Bastianini are a must to watch carefully, they do not show up their power drastically like the partner Bagnaia, they have come secretive which can make the surprise until the finish. And, what a point I make sure is, Quartararo is not good either, he's not fierce anymore like a year ago where can be possible can beat from Ducati team on this year.

Ducati has eight riders on the MotoGP grid. However, Pecco has the best bike and the best among the other Ducati riders.
And don't forget Marquez, the right arm that has been his complaint for the last two seasons has started to recover.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Marc win a race or two for the rest of the year.