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[swogerino]

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.

Alfa wants to stay in F1.

Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

Audi in the car market is an excellent brand,where I live now it is considered the most prestigious brand to have while before Mercedes Benz was seeing as an iconic car to drive.Based on the technologies that Audi has developed lately and they have made some records with Le Mans cars with their R17 some years ago I only expect them to be serious when joining F1 and to offer real competition and not to use this sport mostly as Renault have done,as a testing ground for technologies to implement in their normal cars,Audi does not need this so I hope they even join earlier than that.

[wmaurik]

Yes, Yamaha has been weak for years (last years of the Rossi area, and Rossi oft say this the engine is to weak), and the advantage of the in-line engine has become smaller and smaller because Ducati has also become stronger. I think if Ducati had given Lorenzo another year or two, he might have been the next Ducati world champion after Stoner.

In the golden era of Valentino Rossi or before Valentino Rossi was injured in 2010, the Yamaha motorcycle was also still in the weak category, but it could still be world champion in the hands of Valentino Rossi and in 2010 it could still be world champion in the hands of Jorge Lorenzo. This means that a Yamaha motorbike will be very extraordinary if there is a rider who knows how to ride it very well, because to understand a motorbike like Yamaha is not so difficult even though its character is different from other manufacturers' motorbikes.

Ducati usually changes a lot of the bike from one season to the next, so Ducati always needs some time to understand the bike, see last season and this season with Bagnaia, it always takes them some time to understand everything with the new bike, maybe they often make one step too much, and Yamaha one step too little.

Yes, Ducati changes their motorbikes and motorbikes very often every year, so when Jorge Lorenzo is at Ducati it is not immediately competitive because Jorge Lorenzo still needs to learn how the character of the Ducati motorbike itself is. And as for the world champion in the year after 2018 (which was Jorge Lorenzo's last year at Ducati), it will be very difficult to get a world champion because Marc Marquez is still very strong in 2019 and it is proven by the number of victories that Marc Marquez has achieved is very large. and even Marc Marquez almost always finished on the podium that year (both podiums 1, 2 & 3), but it was not managed by Marc Marquez because he himself fell while leading the race at his favorite circuit in Austin Texas.

Honda has completely lost its way and Suzuki is just a shame, you can see what you can do with the in-line engine, in-line engine is not an excuse...

Only manufacturer Honda has never won this season, so it's worth saying it's lost because Honda itself can't do much when the season is running. For Suzuki, I think it's a little different from Honda because the Suzuki factory has won the Australian Phillip Island race, but what's really unfortunate is that there will be no Suzuki factory again next year, which means this season is the last season for Suzuki.

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We have a final decision for the Red Bull for his doped car.

1.6% of reduction of the next budget cap and 7 million € and a 10% of the decrease in wind tests.

Seems too soft to me.

[tokeweed]

^  You know I'm a Red Bull fan but I find myself kinda mostly agreeing with you.  It's way too soft.  The FIA should've done something like get the driver's championship from Verstappen and penalize him and the team by point reduction of -130 points.  That way Verstappen has 261 points vs Leclerc's 267 points which should make the season ending in a more exciting fashion. 

They could even do -140 point reduction which would make it even more exciting with just three races to go.  Lol.

[Captain Corporate]

Lol. I feel like the budget cap thing was enough, or just the wind tunnel stuff because that would not allow them to get a greater car in the long run, but to have all these three together? Thats a bit too much. At the end of the day what happened has happened and its not in the past and Red Bull has to focus on what they could do with the given penalties in the future so that they wouldn't be focusing on the wrong thing and suddenly find themselves in the middle of the pack. They have to use the limited amount of resources they will have at the maximum efficiency to stay at the top or they will go down hard.

[emrecemsan]

There are few hours left for FP1 in Mexico GP. This is a special track for Sergio Perez obviously but he still has a difficult job ahead of him. By the way I have heard that they asked Verstappen about whether he will help Perez win in his home country. Verstappen underlined that there wouldn't be such thing and he would race as usual. It would be really weird to see this honestly. I mean how can Verstappen help him do this? He is already much faster than even Perez and he can't just slow down and try to keep the others behind while Perez is opening a big gap.

Aside from that I also find the decision about Red Bull's punishment as a little soft. Of course even small percentages can have a big impact in F1 but Red Bull still deserved a bigger punishment than this in fact.

[püsür]

We have a final decision for the Red Bull for his doped car.

1.6% of reduction of the next budget cap and 7 million € and a 10% of the decrease in wind tests.

Seems too soft to me.

The punishment given to Red Bull was slap on the wrist. The 7 million euro penalty doesn't matter much for the team anyway. It would hurt if it was included in the spending limit, but it's not included.
The penalty for using 10% less wind tunnels will also affect it less. Since red bull finished this year in the 1st place, it has 70% wind tunnel usage right. When it decreases by 10%, there will be 63% usage rights. which will cause the penalty to actually affect 7%.

Now, when it comes to the fact that the amount spent is not too much, tax refunds, miscalculations etc., the penalty may seem normal, but reality is not like that. In the spending limit event, if you do not give heavy penalties to the teams that exceeded in the first year, the other teams will calculate the plus and minus over the next year. As a result, you are left with a stillborn spending limit system. Fia failed another one of his challenges in recent years.

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1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.707s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.753s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m20.827s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m20.827s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.849s
6   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m20.899s
7   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.083s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.120s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m21.310s
10   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.525s
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.762s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.820s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.865s
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m21.952s
15   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m22.912s
16   Liam Lawson   NZL   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m23.861s
17   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m24.246s
18   Nyck de Vries   NED   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m24.582s
19   Jack Doohan   AUS   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m24.615s
20   Pietro Fittipaldi   BRA   Haas F1 Team   1m26.766s

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1015819/1/f1-2022-mexico-city-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


Close fight, second hour will be usless with (should be) randon compound tires for 2023 test purpose.

[ryzaadit]

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Toto it's already ready to break the rules for 2023. ~XD

Like always, late and bad decision for FIA. Nothing surprise what they did for the action are not really gonna get some impact for the team & driver, this is just will create another time gonna to do the same excuse for next year's battle.

FIA FIA FIA

[ILuckyGuyI]

I just don't understand FIA. By giving a punishment like this will just encourage other teams to exceed the budget given to them as well. For example Mercedes are preparing to do this right away. I really don't want to see another drama next season. FIA should just act fair for every team to prevent any big problems in the future. Abiding by the rule book shouldn't be that hard.

It looks like the top drivers started fast by nice performances in FP1 already. For now Ferrari seem to be ahead as usual. Maybe even in qualifying things might go their way as well. However when it comes to the race we would watch another Red Bull dominance most probably. I think Verstappen would win and Perez would finish in second place.

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Toto it's already ready to break the rules for 2023. ~XD

Like always, late and bad decision for FIA. Nothing surprise what they did for the action are not really gonna get some impact for the team & driver, this is just will create another time gonna to do the same excuse for next year's battle.

FIA FIA FIA

Not only him.

They have already done the calculation.

With the extra money spent from RBR they got a doped car, yes it is mechanical doping after all for 4/10 per lap.

Considering the small penalty, is better to take the fine and get a overpowered car.

[LTU_btc]

In case somebody missed, FIA removed penalty from Alonso after almost week since race. Just yesterday they rejected Alpine protest, interesting why they changed their mind. It looks a bit ridiculous. Now orange black flag rule looks contraversial and there is too much room for interpretations.

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.

Alfa wants to stay in F1.

Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

I'm not sure about it. From words of head of company it seems that they don't want to put that much money into F1 and they're going to participate in other racing series.

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Drivers are doing a protest against FIA.
FIA will reduce the temperature of the heating blanket again for 2023 with the intent of removing them completely.

This will a good thing for spectators with low grip at start we will have more surprises but drivers don't wanna do it for "safety" reason.

[bitgolden]

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.

Alfa wants to stay in F1.

Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

Audi in the car market is an excellent brand,where I live now it is considered the most prestigious brand to have while before Mercedes Benz was seeing as an iconic car to drive.Based on the technologies that Audi has developed lately and they have made some records with Le Mans cars with their R17 some years ago I only expect them to be serious when joining F1 and to offer real competition and not to use this sport mostly as Renault have done,as a testing ground for technologies to implement in their normal cars,Audi does not need this so I hope they even join earlier than that.

Audi is definitely a good one, but the reality is that Mercedes is definitely a better one if you ask me, and also ferrari is not a company that makes cars, they are a racing company historically, this is known, and they do sell cars just to fund their racing competitions. This is why Audi wouldn't be really that big, they would be sort of big, but not huge big.

Alfa could find another provider for them and will continue to do what they have done, they have the funds for it, Audi will probably just be an addition at best. There are too many companies trying to get into F1, it is not that easy to get in, and when they do, it is going to be very epic to have more teams and more races in the near future.

[AndySt]

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.
Alfa wants to stay in F1.
Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

Let's start with the fact that Alfa Romeo does not participate in the ownership of the team, does not supply engines for the car, but is only a partner of the team, that is, relatively speaking, pays money for the team to be called by its name. On the other hand, the engines are supplied to the team by Ferrari, which is controlled by the Agnelli family company Exor. And Alfa Romeo is also controlled through Exor. Audi will buy 75% of Sauber, but will do it gradually, 25 percent of the shares in 2023, another 25 percent in 2024 and another 25 percent in 2025. After this period, Audi will also supply engines to the team. Alfa Romeo can continue to be a partner of the team until 2025, but for now prefers to extend cooperation specifically every year.

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This one is epic, a new meme.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1586066339021877248



(he is a 3rd drivers)

[swogerino]

Is there any drivers with penalties today,I am playing in a pool here in the forum and I checked the news but I don't know which driver is penalized and why,I think that the only one left who can be penalized is Verstappen as he can get the new engine that Perez got in the last race but so far I have not read anything about a possible penalty to him.

The FP1 started with Liam Lawson bringing the red flag as his car was on fire,literally in the front left tire,it is all over the F1 social media pages.The good thing is the pole position for us Europeans is at 22 Pm so we can see it in place of a movie we watch usually at that time and not wait 12 Am like last week in Texas.

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I heard about Yamaha's mistakes that make him hard to race, like the Aerodynamic aspects. So maybe with this case makes Quartararo look not balanced when racing on wet track beside the problem of a tire. So it was influential when he tried to increase speed, however the motor also can't balance in what he want. in with situation the fans must willing to the title this year will be taken Bagnaia.

Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of anyone after the legendary MotoGP life retired, namely Valentino Rossi. But in general I will also be very happy if Valentino Rossi's protege can win the world with an Italian motorcycle this year, namely Bagnaia. Because in general only Crash can prevent Bagnaia from being world champion this year, it means Bagnaia is very close to being world champion for this year and I read in some local news that Valentino Rossi will also come to Valencia to celebrate Bagnaia's world champion. And I think it is a very special motivation for Bagnaia when he can celebrate the MotoGP world champion with his teacher.

[tokeweed]

Didn't watch any F1 this weekend but what happened here?  The usual suspects of getting the top three spots are not there.  Russell, Tsunoda and Ocon?  Where's Verstappen, Leclerc and Sainz?

FP2 results...  We'll see how FP3 goes but judging from the current lines at the betting market, the books could be putting too much credit on Perez at 4.20 and not much with Leclerc and Sainz at 8.00 and 13.00.  And Hamilton at 11.00?  Surely Sainz should have a better chance than him.

2022 F1 Mexican GP FP2 Results

1   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.970s
2   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m20.798s
3   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.177s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m21.509s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m21.579s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.588s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m21.618s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m21.693s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.993s
10   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m22.104s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m22.337s
12   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m22.371s
13   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m22.447s
14   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m22.738s
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m22.763s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m22.840s
17   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m22.879s
18   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m23.316s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m23.320s
20   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m23.369s

[swogerino]

Didn't watch any F1 this weekend but what happened here?  The usual suspects of getting the top three spots are not there.  Russell, Tsunoda and Ocon?  Where's Verstappen, Leclerc and Sainz?

FP2 results...  We'll see how FP3 goes but judging from the current lines at the betting market, the books could be putting too much credit on Perez at 4.20 and not much with Leclerc and Sainz at 8.00 and 13.00.  And Hamilton at 11.00?  Surely Sainz should have a better chance than him.

2022 F1 Mexican GP FP2 Results

1   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.970s
2   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m20.798s
3   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.177s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m21.509s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m21.579s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.588s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m21.618s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m21.693s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.993s
10   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m22.104s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m22.337s
12   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m22.371s
13   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m22.447s
14   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m22.738s
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m22.763s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m22.840s
17   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m22.879s
18   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m23.316s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m23.320s
20   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m23.369s

Russell is still being first and with a considerable distance to the closest follower in the FP3 which is going live now,I am waiting to see this how it ends before making a bet on the qualifying,I think since Perez is second now and is in front of his home crowd when the times comes for Pole will be a probable option,I don't see any of the new drivers that did run in FP1 now,only the official drivers of the teams are doing the later FP practices.

I hope that Russell gets a pole position which in turn in such track to turn into a victory because Mercedes with that change in the front wing sure made them look like better than a Ferrari (without the new engine of Ferrari).That would be nice and a change but I know that Verstappen will be the most motivated driver to take a win as this win would be a record breaking one.