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May 20, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
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I haven't gotten any new info regarding the open house yet. No reply from Sam and nothing from KNCminer in the thread.

Someone wrote that is was tomorrow in this thread?! I'd like to get a confirmation regarding that.

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May 21, 2013, 12:54:50 AM
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should be sometime this week Smiley
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May 21, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
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I will definitely order/buy the Mars product with my very early pre order number (First 500 customers).
Also I will post a good review of this product, if they are ready to take orders for the Jupiter I will buy that one with the 2K $ OFF voucher.


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May 21, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
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I will definitely order/buy the Mars product with my very early pre order number (First 500 customers).
Also I will post a good review of this product, if they are ready to take orders for the Jupiter I will buy that one with the 2K $ OFF voucher.

How do you know where you are in the queue?  I don't remember getting any e-mail to tell me.
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May 21, 2013, 09:49:30 AM
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should be sometime this week Smiley

isn't this the right time for Sam/KnCer to speak up?
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May 21, 2013, 10:14:55 AM
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Oh gawd, I put a typo in my email address. No wonder I didn't get any e-mail conformations.  Cry
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May 21, 2013, 12:18:35 PM
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Oh gawd, I put a typo in my email address. No wonder I didn't get any e-mail conformations.  Cry

Well you loose nothing by firing an email and stating what your email addy should have been. If there's anything similar that is easy to search for I'm sure they will correct it if they can find it.

Any idea what you would have likely misspelt? Also date and time you were likely to have made the request?

Should be easy enough to search via email name itself or the domain it's attached to, i.e. gmail, unless you misspelt both sides.

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May 21, 2013, 02:12:48 PM
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Well you loose nothing by firing an email and stating what your email addy should have been. If there's anything similar that is easy to search for I'm sure they will correct it if they can find it.

Any idea what you would have likely misspelt? Also date and time you were likely to have made the request?

Should be easy enough to search via email name itself or the domain it's attached to, i.e. gmail, unless you misspelt both sides.

Thanks.  Chrome saved the day. I noticed in the login e-mail drop-down, an incorrectly spelt version of my e-mail address. So I can log into my account, which it says I created 2013.04.25 00:04:21.  The orders section, says nothing is in there. Should there be? I ordered a Mars and Jupiter.

I fired an e-mail to Sam anyway.
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May 21, 2013, 02:16:25 PM
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Well you loose nothing by firing an email and stating what your email addy should have been. If there's anything similar that is easy to search for I'm sure they will correct it if they can find it.

Any idea what you would have likely misspelt? Also date and time you were likely to have made the request?

Should be easy enough to search via email name itself or the domain it's attached to, i.e. gmail, unless you misspelt both sides.

Thanks.  Chrome saved the day. I noticed in the login e-mail drop-down, an incorrectly spelt version of my e-mail address. So I can log into my account, which it says I created 2013.04.25 00:04:21.  The orders section, says nothing is in there. Should there be? I ordered a Mars and Jupiter.

I fired an e-mail to Sam anyway.

Same at my end. I had also fired an email and was confirmed all's ok. Sure you'll be fine.

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May 21, 2013, 02:45:30 PM
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    Update#2
    I will bring a powermeter with me, just in case. Good idea with the audio recording. Here in Sweden you don't need to ask for permission as long as you partake in the conversation but it is polite to ask.

    Photos/Videos (I'll try to include objects for distance-reference)
    * Mars unit hashing
    * Mars without a cover/case …shots of the internals if possible
    * Hashing results in the software client
    * The power supply attached
    * A meter read of the power draw at the outlet – hopefully they’ll provide a monitor, or do you have one you could bring?


    Questions
    1) Is this demo unit built on the final design revision that we’ll see used at the time of full-scale production?
    2) When will Mars begin production, if it hasn’t already?
    3) Has any development work yet begun on the ASIC modules?
    4) (If you’re not able to get a wattage reading from a meter)What is the power consumption on the Mars device?
    5) What is the projected power consumption of the Saturn/Jupiter?
    6) Do you plan on discontinuing the Mars BTC miners by a certain date or a quantity sold? (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)
    7) With this modular design, how will the ASIC units be interfaced with each other, considering that additional devices may be added at a later time?
    8 ) Will these connected ASIC devices use a single shared network connection? What about the power?
    9) Why only 50.000SEK in capital? (about 5500 EUR, not even funny considering there are so many founders. no penalty for failure, so not much of an incentive for success either)
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    #9 I also saw in the thread that people think my business with Andreas has a value of 5000EUR. That is the price it costs to register an AB(limited company)

    But we do need clarification on when funds are required from us and whether delivery is guaranteed inside of designated buyer complaint periods given by the chosen payment methods, I.e. assurance that payment is made no earlier than 45 days before product is.
    10) Who pays for this really, how?
    11) Debt incurred? how much, how long?
    12) Why no ORSoC ppl on the board or directors? (not even deputy directors, only K/C wives or family?) (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)
    13) Is there an employee payroll or just founders?
    14) Why start K&C AB as a consulting/hosting firm with the ORSoC ppl aboard?
    15) K&C AB focus on miners or hosting/consulting?
    16) Where is the real office? K's house, C's house, K & C AB office, another one??
    17) What about security (data/facilities)? (why self host? no datacenters?) Disaster recovery plans? [careful, no specifics]
    18)What about patents? Potential lawsuits? (are they insured against this?)
    19)Are the founders insured? Does the insurance money cover losses/refunds? Is the company the beneficiary or not?
    20)Expecting more sale outside of Sweden than in, can they finance the VAT in-between tax return periods? (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)
    21) Project % completion?
    22) How much of the production will be financed by preorders? (possible corollary: why not more seed capital?)
    23) Obviously with the Swedes' worshiping the semi-permanent sunlight they get for the summer months causing an acknowledged lackluster in productivity (according to JJ), will this in anyway affect the design and manufacture of their Saturn and Jupiter miners? And, what realistically, are the chances of having those devices delivered in September?
    24) How can you be confident this will happen when both BFL and apparently Avalon have had issues delaying their production beyond reasonable expectations?
    25) Most important can they meet the September 2013 dateline. When is the 350gh/s Asic prototype Miner going to be out? July 2013??
    26) Will KNCMiner support P2Pool mining?
    27) Given the five way partnership with three from OrSoc and with their experience of FPGAs and ASICs in the past, how will they achieve their technical goals and how long will it take?
    28) Are there any potential third party hiccups that are likely to delay anything?
    29) What projects of similar kind have they completed before?

    Other
    1) Where are you? Office / Workroom / Lab …?[/li][/list]
    2) What else is around? Desks (with phones? ..how many?) / Workstations / Machinery …?
    3) Who, specifically, is in attendance at this meeting? Do you see other people around as well?
    4) How much noise does the Mars device produce? ..perhaps think of something comparative
    5) Do you feel much heat radiation from the Mars unit?

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    May 21, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
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    Does Anyone heard about the riot in Stockholm , Sweden? hope situation is OK to be in Stockholm for the demo? Wink

    Possibly Sam is preparing the necessary answers for all the above questions, it sure looks a lot though Smiley
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    May 21, 2013, 02:59:12 PM
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    #9. I had relayed this before in a previous post;

    I also saw in the thread that people think my business with Andreas has a value of 5000EUR. That is the price it costs to register an AB(limited company)

    But we do need clarification on when funds are required from us and whether delivery is guaranteed inside of designated buyer complaint periods given by the chosen payment methods, I.e. assurance that payment is made no earlier than 45 days before product is.

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    May 21, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
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    AFAIK since each customer was allowed to pre-order up to 3 devices, only the first 167 preorders are guaranteed to get devices from the first 500 batch.

    I will definitely order/buy the Mars product with my very early pre order number (First 500 customers).
    Also I will post a good review of this product, if they are ready to take orders for the Jupiter I will buy that one with the 2K $ OFF voucher.



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    May 21, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
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    AFAIK since each customer was allowed to pre-order up to 3 devices, only the first 167 preorders are guaranteed to get devices from the first 500 batch.

    I will definitely order/buy the Mars product with my very early pre order number (First 500 customers).
    Also I will post a good review of this product, if they are ready to take orders for the Jupiter I will buy that one with the 2K $ OFF voucher.


    I spoke with Andreas on the phone regarding per-orders and batches. He said that they had got lot's of "pre-orders" in a short time, but that they expected only a smaller number to fall through. You get a lot of garbage just by putting a form online... Serious buyers should not worry too much about their position in line yet. They would produce the first batch "in a large factory capable of pushing out huge numbers". Not sure if it was his words but I interpreted it as "sufficient to easily cover all current pre-orders". They would close the pre-order if the volumes grew beyond what they though they could handle.

    I also asked on the Jupiter voucher. It was a voucher and not any form of buy-back of the FPGAs.

    We only had a short chat as I called during lunch hour, but Andreas gave a very good impression. I'm looking forward to the future development here!

    ::EDIT Just to clarify, it was about a week ago I called them...

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    May 21, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
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    AFAIK since each customer was allowed to pre-order up to 3 devices, only the first 167 preorders are guaranteed to get devices from the first 500 batch.

    I will definitely order/buy the Mars product with my very early pre order number (First 500 customers).
    Also I will post a good review of this product, if they are ready to take orders for the Jupiter I will buy that one with the 2K $ OFF voucher.


    I spoke with Andreas on the phone regarding per-orders and batches. He said that they had got lot's of "pre-orders" in a short time, but that they expected only a smaller number to fall through. You get a lot of garbage just by putting a form online... Serious buyers should not worry too much about their position in line yet. They would produce the first batch "in a large factory capable of pushing out huge numbers". Not sure if it was his words but I interpreted it as "sufficient to easily cover all current pre-orders". They would close the pre-order if the volumes grew beyond what they though they could handle.

    I also asked on the Jupiter voucher. It was a voucher and not any form of buy-back of the FPGAs.

    We only had a short chat as I called during lunch hour, but Andreas gave a very good impression. I'm looking forward to the future development here!

    ::EDIT Just to clarify, it was about a week ago I called them...

    +1 thanks for sharing that!

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    May 21, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
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    Q.20 I posted a long answer about VAT inside and outside Europe, Did that not cover the answer? I noticed on the site the other day, aside a new logo, they actually have an area for your to register your VAT number.

    Actually, this has nothing to do with your answer about VAT. It's about whether they have enough cash reserve to pay the VAT "office" in case they are paying more VAT (at import, to suppliers, etc) than they are receiving from Intra-EU sales and sales outside the EU (from ze customers).

    sorry, missed that answer previously.

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    May 21, 2013, 09:49:15 PM
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    I also talked with him on the phone and he was completely reliable as most Swedish are Wink

    I will pick the product up from Stockholm and inform you about that soon Cheesy
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    I also talked with him on the phone and he was completely reliable as most Swedish are Wink

    I will pick the product up from Stockholm and inform you about that soon Cheesy

    So do you live in Sweden? Are you planning on attending the open day, whenever that is rearranged?

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    I also talked with him on the phone and he was completely reliable as most Swedish are Wink

    I will pick the product up from Stockholm and inform you about that soon Cheesy

    So do you live in Sweden? Are you planning on attending the open day, whenever that is rearranged?

    I don't think they have their product ready if you were to attend their open house demo show of the fpga miner this week, maybe they will take them another few more weeks to produced them.  Smiley
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    May 22, 2013, 06:55:03 AM
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    Does anyone know if they intend to honor positions in the pre-order "queues" they put in place from the beginning?
    Thinking of these e-mails...

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    The desired goods: KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500
    Quantity: 4
    Name of the customer: xxx xxx
    Email: xxx@xxx.com
    Phone: xxxxxxxx
    Comments: ...

    We definitely need more competition between ASIC manufacturer, so KnCMiner can only do good if they are a serious business with the required competences IMO.
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