Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[JayJuanGee]

Imagine buying bitcoin today and then pretending it will even exist at all in 15 years.

imagine holding 1000s of bitcoin then selling it all for gold and silver in 2012 . now left trolling WO thread  like some sad bitter lonely fucked up Billy no mates looser

I thought that Roach did his fire sale trade of BTC into PMs, such as gold and silver, in about early 2016-ish - but still, similar results as doing the same in 2012, which is that bitcoin has performed way better than PMs, such as gold and silver.

Poor idiot did it in 2012 for peanuts. If he sold his thousands of BTC in 2016 he would not be shilling 24/7 here for stupid silver, trying to make a few bucks by raising the silver price by a percentage.

Ok.  My baaaad.

I had the impression that when Roach started posting on this forum in late 2013, he was pro-bitcoin, and providing pro-bitcoin ideas in his earlier posts.

Either my memory is mistaken, or I misunderstood some of his earlier posts.

In any event, we understand that the Roach turd is currently butt hurt in regards to bitcoin and spreading a shit-load of disinformation, misinformation and distraction in order to pump PMs and apparently talk folks out of their more prudent bitcoin holdings.

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[d_eddie]

Now for Bitcoin, I think value is Sat/byte in ratio to speed perhaps and then contrast it vs other crypto contenders and of course account for mass transactional volume.  Does Visa beat Bitcoin for cost, speed and volume, I do think these are the measures to watch for an influence to macro moves in price and market interest.

Q. What's Visa's speed, volume and cost (cost dollars/moved dollars) for uncensored transactions?
A. Speed = 0, volume = 0, cost = infinite.

Note the costraint: uncensored is key.

Different leagues. Apples and oranges. You get juice anyway, but straight up comparison is misleading.

[Elwar]

In any event, we understand that the Roach turd is currently butt hurt in regards to bitcoin and spreading a shit-load of disinformation, misinformation and distraction in order to pump PMs and apparently talk folks out of their more prudent bitcoin holdings.

If the dude is looking to pump PMs, he's really doing it in the wrong place.

Sure has a lot of time on his hands.

Ironically I was more pro-PMs before reading Roach's posts.

[J. Cooper]

Sideways is boring, cmon we need drama we re addicted to that 

It's getting a little bit weird at this point. Since I joined this space there have rarely been periods (atleasy periods that lasted this long) where bitcoin was going kind of sideways in a slightly bearish fashion. Of course we can't forget the gains we've had last year but it still feels so not like bitcoin.

[jojo69]

actually, I'm fine with a sideways channel 13000-17000

this is beyond my wildest fantasies for this time frame

and the "bubble" scenario looks less and less convincing by the day

[JayJuanGee]

In any event, we understand that the Roach turd is currently butt hurt in regards to bitcoin and spreading a shit-load of disinformation, misinformation and distraction in order to pump PMs and apparently talk folks out of their more prudent bitcoin holdings.

If the dude is looking to pump PMs, he's really doing it in the wrong place.

Sure has a lot of time on his hands.

I'm likely as much of a sceptic as any of us regarding any of the seemingly obvious trolls in this thread, and perhaps framing of Roach's goals give him way too much benefit of the doubt in regards to a supposedly legitimate agenda to pump PMs and to perhaps believe that there is some audience here that is receptive to such PM pumping.  

Surely, your implication is likely correct that Roach's main goals are merely to denigrate bitcoin, distract thread participants from meaningful bitcoin discussion which could result in either readers being misinformed about bitcoin, frustrated about bitcoin, less likely to purchase bitcoin or more likely to sell more of their bitcoin holdings than they otherwise would.

I don't have a whole hell of a lot of sympathy for the plights of trolls - nor am I willing to read too many of the details of their attempts at substantively distracting posts, but I don't necessarily consider it to be prudent to completely ignore them and to me there seems to be some need to point out the bullshit of trolls from time to time... which I recognize most  people here already agree that Roach is at least 90% full of shit, and perhaps reasonable, normal and tolerable full of shit (for any of "us" normies), should be less than 30% full of shit... hahahahahaha..  

I personally place myself at less than 10% full of shit, but I might be a tinie, tiny bit biased towards my own self assessment ... so part of my point is that 90% or more full of shit peeps, such as Roachie poachie, is just way too much full of shitness in terms of making any kind of meaningful thread contributions and needs to be rebuffed, from time to time.

[flynn]

Sideways is boring, cmon we need drama we re addicted to that 

It's getting a little bit weird at this point. Since I joined this space there have rarely been periods (atleasy periods that lasted this long) where bitcoin was going kind of sideways in a slightly bearish fashion. Of course we can't forget the gains we've had last year but it still feels so not like bitcoin.

Hmm like the 2014-2015 period ...

[Starving_Marvin]

buy sand

Actually investing in sand might be an even better idea than investing in gold or cryptocurrencies. I'll trade sand for gold, any day. http://peakoil.com/geology/earth-is-starting-to-run-out-of-sand

[Ibian]

buy sand

Actually investing in sand might be an even better idea than investing in gold or cryptocurrencies. I'll trade sand for gold, any day. http://peakoil.com/geology/earth-is-starting-to-run-out-of-sand

Would it be a stretch to say that there are too many people on the planet?

[infofront]

buy sand

Actually investing in sand might be an even better idea than investing in gold or cryptocurrencies. I'll trade sand for gold, any day. http://peakoil.com/geology/earth-is-starting-to-run-out-of-sand

Would it be a stretch to say that there are too many people on the planet?

When we're the new elite class, we can send all non-hodlers to concentration re-education summer camps.

[infofront]

I was just reminded that today is a banking holiday in the US. That's likely contributing to the underwhelming action.

[HanvanBitcoin]

I was just reminded that today is a banking holiday in the US. That's likely contributing to the underwhelming action.

This will be an interesting week  Chooo chooooooo

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-regulations-germany/any-rule-on-bitcoin-must-be-global-germanys-central-bank-says-idUSKBN1F420E
“Effective regulation of virtual currencies would therefore only be achievable through the greatest possible international cooperation, because the regulatory power of nation states is obviously limited,” Wuermeling told an event in Frankfurt.

kinda right

reuters can't resist a dishonest dig though
South Korea, where speculation on cryptocurrencies is also rife, is working on plans to ban virtual coin exchanges.

[Bloomie]

I was just reminded that today is a banking holiday in the US. That's likely contributing to the underwhelming action.

This is also apparently when Wall Street hands out bonuses. Expect to see some fresh money entering the game later this week.

[Last of the V8s]

buy sand

Actually investing in sand might be an even better idea than investing in gold or cryptocurrencies. I'll trade sand for gold, any day. http://peakoil.com/geology/earth-is-starting-to-run-out-of-sand

Would it be a stretch to say that there are too many people on the planet?

When we're the new elite class, we can send all non-hodlers to concentration re-education summer camps.

http://www.zerothposition.com/2015/01/31/but-who-will-build-the-death-camps/

[JayJuanGee]

Sideways is boring, cmon we need drama we re addicted to that 

It's getting a little bit weird at this point. Since I joined this space there have rarely been periods (atleasy periods that lasted this long) where bitcoin was going kind of sideways in a slightly bearish fashion. Of course we can't forget the gains we've had last year but it still feels so not like bitcoin.

Hmm like the 2014-2015 period ...

Bitcoin continues to traverse through unchartered territory while showing previous patterns.

Accordingly, each period is different from previous periods, since bitcoin is a work-in-progress with development and also influences from the broader crypto space (whether positively or negatively), and to assert that something is "so not like bitcoin" seems to be attempting to lock bitcoin into some kind of fantastical vision.

In any event, it is way too fucking early to be ascribing a "bearish fashion" to our current BTC market dynamics, unless you are trying to pump some other nonsense or imply that bitcoin is dead or even attempting to suggest that we are in the beginnings of a bear market... Get a grip.  We cannot figure out that either the bull market is over or that we are entering into a bear market or that we are trending towards bear, until some time plays out. 

Accordingly, we have been in a bitcoin bull market for more than 2 years, and currently we are in the midst of nearly a one month correction (consolidation), so it remains very unclear which way this consolidation is going to break or how long such consolidation is going to last.

For anyone who bought  more than 4 months ago, you are sitting in stupendous gains, but if you bought more recently, your position could be a bit more precarious.  I certainly am not going to proclaim that i know any kind of exactness regarding the direction of this particular market, but even correcting down to $8k would remain fairly bullish - even while it is seeming that such extensive correction is becoming less and less likely ... UP?  DOWN? SIDEWAYS?  I would not get too excited until we break either below $12,500 or above $17,500 and even then we have further support and resistance in broader channels of $10k and $20k... Until we break in any kind of meaningful way, we are in "noise" territory, and there is nothing really here to write home about, except perhaps to continue to fight off the fantastical claims that try to argue that we are currently in anything other than a consolidation.. or asserting that we are trending one way or another, based on such consolidation - except maybe suggesting more likely that we remain in a bull market, until convincing evidence to the contrary can be identified... where is such evidence?

[bonipper]

I was just reminded that today is a banking holiday in the US. That's likely contributing to the underwhelming action.

This is also apparently when Wall Street hands out bonuses. Expect to see some fresh money entering the game later this week.

Confirmed by BobLawblaw.

Did i miss something? whats special about the 18th?

Approximately the time fiat wires from January bonuses should begin hitting exchanges for trading.

In theory.

[JayJuanGee]

I'll just re-state, we may also, theoretically, see a trend upwards beginning on or around February 18th, after tech-sector bonus wires start hitting exchanges.

First quarters are shaping up to be bearish/volatile periods for Bitcorn, with upward cycles beginning Q2-ish.

Non-bullish is not the same as "bearish"... it be more aptly called:  "consolidation"   

[jojo69]

I'll just re-state, we may also, theoretically, see a trend upwards beginning on or around February 18th, after tech-sector bonus wires start hitting exchanges.

First quarters are shaping up to be bearish/volatile periods for Bitcorn, with upward cycles beginning Q2-ish.

Non-bullish is not the same as "bearish"... it be more aptly called:  "consolidation"   

I refer to them as "periods of opportunity"

[mymenace]