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[RejectedBanana]

$6000 seems to be established as a fair bargain basement price by both bulls and bears and even miners apparently. We have achieved equilibrium price discovery, not just once, but like 5 times since October of last year, give or take $500.

Anything below the bears generally agree is too greedy and the bulls consider a steal.

But there is some serious Grade A manipulation going on. FUD is being slung around like monkey poop fresh outta Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's decrepit simian asses. Sometimes it sticks, sending Korean tourists, YouTuber potato heads, and Tweaking Twitterites screaming for the exits.

The most damage this FUD has done since (dare I say it?) the "capitulation" on Feb 5 is 5-10% intraday trading. Around $500-600 intraday swings at most.

Prior to Feb 5, we were seeing intraday swings as high as 30%. We're talking like $4500 in one day! Many days were well over 10%, equating to at least $1000 at the time. It's a freaking snooze fest in comparison.

So far, the FUDsters have tried squirting manipulation FUD, sharting Tether FUD, and are currently honking for clearance while constipated with a big ol' meal of regulation FUD. Mt Gox has been hotboxing us with silent but deadly FUD for months now, but most of our olfactory bulbs have long since burned out. Hacked exchange FUD is the most regular of all, sustained by a healthy diet of shyster/ignoranus FUDfiber(tm).

As much as everyone is watching, waiting, hoping for a clear sign from Satoshi himself "THIS IS THE BOTTOM", the truth is the FUDsters have run out of effective FUD. Even Roger Ver himself, the king of bullshit, a giant walking colon, can only shit so much, right?

What more can the bears possibly fling at us? Am I missing some super potent 10x epic hangover evacuate the building and whatever you do don't light that match FUD? Something that would truly shake hodlers to their very core that we haven't already seen a dozen times?

It's a fucking zoo out there this summer, peeps. Watch out for the monkey poop.

[JayJuanGee]

I don't care
I hold

Fuck ‘m, I’ll buy more below $5,000.

Lightning network is being rolled out right now and it is finally delivering on bitcoins long unfulfilled promise. As far as the technology is concerned these are the best of times since the early days when bitcoin its self was a shiny new thing. I doubt you will regret that move in the long run.

When the price gets you down, focus on the tech.

Are we really expecting a $5000 bottom? I don't know if it will hit that, he may not get that option.

Good to maintain targets and plans for even extreme scenarios that might not happen.  Surely, preparing for below $5k is less extreme than preparing for below $3k but it remains a good practice psychologically and financially to prepare for both.

[El duderino_]

Well, at least somebody is trying to hold "The bottom" up... . (Mic post some good pic) 

BOTTOMS will come frome higher and higher hights and every time we will need to stand our ground harder and harder
the price dips will be exxxtremer and exxxtremer      

[JayJuanGee]

I just ran into this. This is so stupid.



No shit it can't look like the one on the right. The one on the right is the problem. That's what bitcoin looks like right now and it's the reason why it doesn't scale.

Bcash is an attempt to make bitcoin it's self look like the one in the middle and in so doing give up all of the advantages that come from it looking like the one on the right. Which could be acceptable as a last resort if there were no other option.

Lightning network is a way to build a parallel network that looks like the one in the middle but doesn't replace the one on right in any way. Instead it lives separate and apart from it while being kept totally in check and made benign by the continued existence of the one on the right.

I'm so tired of all of this ignorant anti lighting network rhetoric that I keep hearing and seeing constantly. Do you guys think Ver is funding this BS. It feels like there is just too much of it for it to be organic.


P.S. Do you guys feel this is on topic enough for the wall observer thread. It's not about jews at least... but it's exactly about the price either... I just wanted a place to rant where it would actually be read and it is about bitcoin atleast...

On topic and good points.

It is likely that propaganda funding is causing a considerable deal of the lightning misinformation, but in the end, it is also likely to work out in the wash because the better tech is going to prevail, and those of us investing into bitcoin have decent insight as to what is the better tech and we are able to buy and accumulate our coins for cheaper based on a lot of normies getting distracted either to sell their BTC or not to buy BTC based on such misinformation.

[Tyr808]

How is producing 10 times the amount of money you have...not printing money out of thin air?

If not out of thin air, where does the new money come from?

It is underwritten by 3rd party debt - either sovereign, corporate or person debt.

A bank cannot simply create money "out of thin air".. They need to get an economically productive entity to underwrite it / "back" it with a promise of future productivity.

This makes no logical sense (although it is taught like this in universities). Money is supposed to represent production. It can only originate from production. Creating money to "represent" debt or future production is literally creating money "out of nothing". This is the problem with the current system, it is backwards and only exists because it allows governments and corporations unlimited power to steal from producers.

Real money can only be created out of production and only after this has happened, can it be borrowed to create debt, not the other way around. The current monetary system is not real money, it is a house of cards built on decades of mind-fucking the public. There will be an awakening.

You and many others in this thread are basically saying
"Fractional Reserve is shit"

Let's not forget it's backed by Proof of War.

[Wekkel]

How is producing 10 times the amount of money you have...not printing money out of thin air?

If not out of thin air, where does the new money come from?

It is underwritten by 3rd party debt - either sovereign, corporate or person debt.

A bank cannot simply create money "out of thin air".. They need to get an economically productive entity to underwrite it / "back" it with a promise of future productivity.

This makes no logical sense (although it is taught like this in universities). Money is supposed to represent production. It can only originate from production. Creating money to "represent" debt or future production is literally creating money "out of nothing". This is the problem with the current system, it is backwards and only exists because it allows governments and corporations unlimited power to steal from producers.

Real money can only be created out of production and only after this has happened, can it be borrowed to create debt, not the other way around. The current monetary system is not real money, it is a house of cards built on decades of mind-fucking the public. There will be an awakening.

 The only justification could be that the process described liquefies assets into money that can be used to fund buildup of means of future production.  In theory it’s a zero sum game with the money lent out returning at some point as repayment and thus disappearing from existence.

In practice, however, the loans in general are not repaid but rolled over into eternity at increasingly higher sums. This supported by continuously lowering interest rates artificially suppressed by central forces.

A perpetual debt machine with no intention of ever paying back the full outstanding debt.

A monster is what we have created.

[RayX12]

$6000 seems to be established as a fair bargain basement price by both bulls and bears and even miners apparently. We have achieved equilibrium price discovery, not just once, but like 5 times since October of last year, give or take $500.

Anything below the bears generally agree is too greedy and the bulls consider a steal.

But there is some serious Grade A manipulation going on. FUD is being slung around like monkey poop fresh outta Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's decrepit simian asses. Sometimes it sticks, sending Korean tourists, YouTuber potato heads, and Tweaking Twitterites screaming for the exits.

The most damage this FUD has done since (dare I say it?) the "capitulation" on Feb 5 is 5-10% intraday trading. Around $500-600 intraday swings at most.

Prior to Feb 5, we were seeing intraday swings as high as 30%. We're talking like $4500 in one day! Many days were well over 10%, equating to at least $1000 at the time. It's a freaking snooze fest in comparison.

So far, the FUDsters have tried squirting manipulation FUD, sharting Tether FUD, and are currently honking for clearance while constipated with a big ol' meal of regulation FUD. Mt Gox has been hotboxing us with silent but deadly FUD for months now, but most of our olfactory bulbs have long since burned out. Hacked exchange FUD is the most regular of all, sustained by a healthy diet of shyster/ignoranus FUDfiber(tm).

As much as everyone is watching, waiting, hoping for a clear sign from Satoshi himself "THIS IS THE BOTTOM", the truth is the FUDsters have run out of effective FUD. Even Roger Ver himself, the king of bullshit, a giant walking colon, can only shit so much, right?

What more can the bears possibly fling at us? Am I missing some super potent 10x epic hangover evacuate the building and whatever you do don't light that match FUD? Something that would truly shake hodlers to their very core that we haven't already seen a dozen times?

It's a fucking zoo out there this summer, peeps. Watch out for the monkey poop.

+1WOsmerit

I think the big Mt Gox Bear-Whale and friends caused the 10-30% spikes.

Now we have smaller bear-whales splashing around.

Soon the bulls will take over.

[rolling]

How is producing 10 times the amount of money you have...not printing money out of thin air?

If not out of thin air, where does the new money come from?

It is underwritten by 3rd party debt - either sovereign, corporate or person debt.

A bank cannot simply create money "out of thin air".. They need to get an economically productive entity to underwrite it / "back" it with a promise of future productivity.

This makes no logical sense (although it is taught like this in universities). Money is supposed to represent production. It can only originate from production. Creating money to "represent" debt or future production is literally creating money "out of nothing". This is the problem with the current system, it is backwards and only exists because it allows governments and corporations unlimited power to steal from producers.

Real money can only be created out of production and only after this has happened, can it be borrowed to create debt, not the other way around. The current monetary system is not real money, it is a house of cards built on decades of mind-fucking the public. There will be an awakening.

You and many others in this thread are basically saying
"Fractional Reserve is shit"

Let's not forget it's backed by Proof of War.

Actually, it is backed by the trust in it by the public. Once that trust evaporates, it will be worth nothing and war will not be possible. War is only possible with the consent of the public, either through awareness or manipulation of awareness.

[JayJuanGee]

I'm very disheartened today. Lost a major chunk of my bitcoin holdings (almost 0.38 BTC) on Bitmex even though I've been longing since $8000 with just 4x leverage (adding more & more after every dump to average it further down), but still at $6140, I got liquidated. With this, I can pretty much assure that $6140 was actually the bottom. It was only to liquidate me, hard luck. Don't comment that I need to risk only what I can afford to lose, I know that very well, just had some real bad luck (as well as confusion) this time.

For reasons like this, I continue to conclude (personally) that leveraging is not necessary, especially in bitcoin.  In bitcoin we are lucky to experience outrageously stupendous returns, and I we do not need to leverage in order to achieve such outrageously stupendous returns on our investment. 

Accordingly, if you just invest regularly, then the most that you can lose is 100% of what you put in - but if you employ leverage (especially using the margin trade vehicles supplied by exchanges), you not only can lose your 100% more quickly, you also lose it way faster, which causes a kind of magnification that if you employ 4x leverage than you can lose 400% - something like that.  Therefore, I still consider any kind of leveraging to be too far into a "gambling" rather than "investing" category, especially with bitcoin.

[vortex1878]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html

[RayX12]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html

The big news of the moment?? wtf pump those fucking coins  

Old news?

[FractalUniverse]

While I was trolling on EOS bitcointalk thread about John Oliver show,

Can anyone explain what is EOS all about?  Clearly, even John Oliver can't:     Usable applications?!?!?!?  
https://youtu.be/g6iDZspbRMg?t=1146

I noticed some familiar names which are heavily invested in EOS, e.g. FractalUniverse:
..
The conlusions I leave to you. Just don't trust the fake bears anymore!

lol. heavily? how do you know. unfortunately im not whale and never was.
and no, I cant explain what is eos about,because i didnt look into it too much + i have no idea whos Oliver anyway.
I just bought some after closing short there. [thanks for tip bitserve btw ]

this is just part of my alts trading with sole purpose to increase bitcoin+fiat balances

[Ludwig Von]

I'm very disheartened today. Lost a major chunk of my bitcoin holdings (almost 0.38 BTC) on Bitmex even though I've been longing since $8000 with just 4x leverage (adding more & more after every dump to average it further down), but still at $6140, I got liquidated. With this, I can pretty much assure that $6140 was actually the bottom. It was only to liquidate me, hard luck. Don't comment that I need to risk only what I can afford to lose, I know that very well, just had some real bad luck (as well as confusion) this time.

For reasons like this, I continue to conclude (personally) that leveraging is not necessary, especially in bitcoin.  In bitcoin we are lucky to experience outrageously stupendous returns, and I we do not need to leverage in order to achieve such outrageously stupendous returns on our investment. 

Accordingly, if you just invest regularly, then the most that you can lose is 100% of what you put in - but if you employ leverage (especially using the margin trade vehicles supplied by exchanges), you not only can lose your 100% more quickly, you also lose it way faster, which causes a kind of magnification that if you employ 4x leverage than you can lose 400% - something like that.  Therefore, I still consider any kind of leveraging to be too far into a "gambling" rather than "investing" category, especially with bitcoin.

Exactly. And I really don 't understand why people want to expose themselves to this kind of practice.

[infofront]

$6000 seems to be established as a fair bargain basement price by both bulls and bears and even miners apparently. We have achieved equilibrium price discovery, not just once, but like 5 times since October of last year, give or take $500.

Anything below the bears generally agree is too greedy and the bulls consider a steal.

But there is some serious Grade A manipulation going on. FUD is being slung around like monkey poop fresh outta Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's decrepit simian asses. Sometimes it sticks, sending Korean tourists, YouTuber potato heads, and Tweaking Twitterites screaming for the exits.

The most damage this FUD has done since (dare I say it?) the "capitulation" on Feb 5 is 5-10% intraday trading. Around $500-600 intraday swings at most.

Prior to Feb 5, we were seeing intraday swings as high as 30%. We're talking like $4500 in one day! Many days were well over 10%, equating to at least $1000 at the time. It's a freaking snooze fest in comparison.

So far, the FUDsters have tried squirting manipulation FUD, sharting Tether FUD, and are currently honking for clearance while constipated with a big ol' meal of regulation FUD. Mt Gox has been hotboxing us with silent but deadly FUD for months now, but most of our olfactory bulbs have long since burned out. Hacked exchange FUD is the most regular of all, sustained by a healthy diet of shyster/ignoranus FUDfiber(tm).

As much as everyone is watching, waiting, hoping for a clear sign from Satoshi himself "THIS IS THE BOTTOM", the truth is the FUDsters have run out of effective FUD. Even Roger Ver himself, the king of bullshit, a giant walking colon, can only shit so much, right?

What more can the bears possibly fling at us? Am I missing some super potent 10x epic hangover evacuate the building and whatever you do don't light that match FUD? Something that would truly shake hodlers to their very core that we haven't already seen a dozen times?

It's a fucking zoo out there this summer, peeps. Watch out for the monkey poop.

The only effective FUD that I could foresee coming out would be major Tether-related news. For example, the Dept. of Justice announcing criminal charges.

Also, please stop posting. I'm going to run out of merit! 

[Ludwig Von]

[/quote]

The only effective FUD that I could foresee coming out would be major Tether-related news. For example, the Dept. of Justice announcing criminal charges.

Also, please stop posting. I'm going to run out of merit!
[/quote]

I give you one, the holding the bottom seems to have a positive effect... .

[mindrust]

I just ran into this. This is so stupid.



No shit it can't look like the one on the right. The one on the right is the problem. That's what bitcoin looks like right now and it's the reason why it doesn't scale.

Bcash is an attempt to make bitcoin it's self look like the one in the middle and in so doing give up all of the advantages that come from it looking like the one on the right. Which could be acceptable as a last resort if there were no other option.

Lightning network is a way to build a parallel network that looks like the one in the middle but doesn't replace the one on right in any way. Instead it lives separate and apart from it while being kept totally in check and made benign by the continued existence of the one on the right.

I'm so tired of all of this ignorant anti lighting network rhetoric that I keep hearing and seeing constantly. Do you guys think Ver is funding this BS. It feels like there is just too much of it for it to be organic.


P.S. Do you guys feel this is on topic enough for the wall observer thread. It's not about jews at least... but it's exactly about the price either... I just wanted a place to rant where it would actually be read and it is about bitcoin atleast...

On topic and good points.

It is likely that propaganda funding is causing a considerable deal of the lightning misinformation, but in the end, it is also likely to work out in the wash because the better tech is going to prevail, and those of us investing into bitcoin have decent insight as to what is the better tech and we are able to buy and accumulate our coins for cheaper based on a lot of normies getting distracted either to sell their BTC or not to buy BTC based on such misinformation.

The bcash snorter who drew that shit probably doesn't realize those peers only mean the validating full nodes.

According to this website bcash has less full nodes than what bitcoin has on its layer 2 (the lightning network);  2132 (bcash) vs 2203 (LN)

It is retarded when they try to give us lectures about what peer2peer is while their network's peers are only miners and no one else. *btw, LN is 6 months old, bcash is 1 year old*

[vortex1878]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html

The big news of the moment?? wtf pump those fucking coins  

Old news?

Approx. an hour old.

[Paashaas]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html

The big news of the moment?? wtf pump those fucking coins  

Old news?

Big news, this might cause trend reversal from bear to bull. If the SEC saw it the other way the price would drop below $6000.

[bitserve]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html

The big news of the moment?? wtf pump those fucking coins  

Old news?

Big news, this might cause trend reversal from bear to bull. If the SEC saw it the other way the price would drop below $6000.

Nice 1 hour green candles indeed.

[mindrust]

Over 6600 already. $20k here we come.