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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 2 (1.8%)
<$6,500 - 7 (6.1%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.9%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.8%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.6%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3.5%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (10.5%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (11.4%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (9.6%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 10 (8.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 9 (7.9%)
>$9,500 - 15 (13.2%)
$20,000 - 7 (6.1%)
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I'm glad I didn't come across as a jerk. What I would like is see you write a string of satisfied posts about how your trading gives you small but consistent fruits. You're a bitcoin veteran after all.

Do you really get rekt every time, bones, or is it just preventive whining?

(You're free not to answer this, of course. It's just a cocky opening.)

I'd try and make the bet smaller relative to my playroll, keeping leverage at maybe 3 tops, 1~1.5 even better. "Going long" can actually mean buying a few cents and stashing away. So can "taking profit." Increasing the amount in the freezer is probably the most hopeful subgoal to gambling with 100% house money.

I mean: you know a few things about retirement and taxes. I'm sure you made a few calculations. I know you understand this magical internet money fairly well, too. Come on.

To be blunt, my finances are a horror story. I truly am REKT. My cryptocurrency portfolio has never been large. We are talking less than 1 BTC worth ATM.
It's not a huge start, agreed, but by judicious use of a consistent strategy it could grow little by little. The 2J-ladder thingy, maybe. Or if you just held the hedging short since when you started it, now your play money could have doubled easily. That's what I mean by "consistent". And "judicious" means you would have managed to hold it without getting rekt soonish (with some sweat, granted) if it had been a small amount (like 10-20% of your play bankroll).

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Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means Smiley
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This whole telegram thing is pretty stupid, I have no idea why people think it is useful for an ICO. I remember using something like this in MUDs back in 1993, it was the gossip channel, and it was annoying then too. I just keep waiting for someone to chat: "level!"...."grats!"


What MUD did you play? Used to play them aswell, MUME, Aardwolf and main one was Stonia, a small but awesome one, liked it the most.


This bitcoin price is getting boring, when we'll get out of the low-mid 7xxx area? Some more action please Smiley
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May 27, 2018, 12:35:07 PM


Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means Smiley

If I were coinbase I would spend a shitload on developing a fiat dex that is running in the background un-seen. Then add more and more "nodes", bringing in partners to run the nodes. Then when the government says, "oh, in addition to all of the other information we're making you collect we now need penis size", they can just say...Coinbase, the company, is shutting down. This affects none of the users. Continue using the DEX. Good luck.
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May 27, 2018, 01:56:43 PM


Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means Smiley

If I were coinbase I would spend a shitload on developing a fiat dex that is running in the background un-seen. Then add more and more "nodes", bringing in partners to run the nodes. Then when the government says, "oh, in addition to all of the other information we're making you collect we now need penis size", they can just say...Coinbase, the company, is shutting down. This affects none of the users. Continue using the DEX. Good luck.

But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?
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May 27, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
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This article made my day. Check it out guys; written in 2014, and till now, the price predictions have remained extremely accurate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/

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That was fun. Thanks for the share. Can't wait to meet up with you other "earlies" in the citadel.
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But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network
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That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/


I think I read somewhere, don't the major miners employ short contracts to hedge the price?
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I think I read somewhere, don't the major miners employ short contracts to hedge the price?

I bet they do. In their place, I would.
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But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network

this^  BTI(BTCInstant) is going to be listed here soon ~ i'll keep you posted Wink weeeeee

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But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network

bisq is p2p akin to localbitcoins


I'm working on one that is sort of like a decentralized tether...turn the fiat to crypto then set it free to be traded like other crypto-crypto.
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I agree that there are many people like Rojer Ver who delibarately sold tens and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins to pump their beecash etc. shitcoins. But there are other whales as well - mining whales mostly with short fat fingers which love to hit sell button on bitfinex. Each day 1800 new bitcoins are mined. For a week they gather 12600, for 1 month 50400, etc. Not so long time ago (5-6 months) they had enough profit to do so - like 20$ per asic s9 per day. But now, thanks to the many new s9's (and equivalent) plugged in, their profit is only 2.8$ per day with 0.1$ elecricity price. In the last 3 months the mining difficulty rose by 43% (meaning 43% less profit with the same price of Bitcoin). In 3 months the expected difficulty is almost the same 35-40%, so their revenue will drop from 6 to 3-4$ meaning the profit will be around 0$. I am curious if they will be happy to hit the sell button then. I guess not.

That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/


Why would Bitmain be forced to pump the price up? It has been quite some time since the S9 came out. I am quite certain that they have already developed the next generation of ASIC chip and are mining with those for themselves. If not, they are probably pretty far along the process. Also, BCH is basically Jihan Wu's creation. If Bitmain isn't far along creating a better ASIC chip, or the new chip isn't enough an improvement, I suspect Bitmain is more likely to prop up the price of BCH rather than BTC. We will see. The reason Bitmain is now so dominate in the mining sector is because they were one of the few that managed to survive and thrive after the 2014/2015 bear market.
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This article made my day. Check it out guys; written in 2014, and till now, the price predictions have remained extremely accurate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/

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That was fun. Thanks for the share. Can't wait to meet up with you other "earlies" in the citadel.
Why did he post with that name?
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I agree that there are many people like Rojer Ver who delibarately sold tens and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins to pump their beecash etc. shitcoins. But there are other whales as well - mining whales mostly with short fat fingers which love to hit sell button on bitfinex. Each day 1800 new bitcoins are mined. For a week they gather 12600, for 1 month 50400, etc. Not so long time ago (5-6 months) they had enough profit to do so - like 20$ per asic s9 per day. But now, thanks to the many new s9's (and equivalent) plugged in, their profit is only 2.8$ per day with 0.1$ elecricity price. In the last 3 months the mining difficulty rose by 43% (meaning 43% less profit with the same price of Bitcoin). In 3 months the expected difficulty is almost the same 35-40%, so their revenue will drop from 6 to 3-4$ meaning the profit will be around 0$. I am curious if they will be happy to hit the sell button then. I guess not.

That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/


Why would Bitmain be forced to pump the price up? It has been quite sometime since the S9 came out. I am quite certain that they have already developed the next generation of ASIC chip and are mining with those for themselves. If not, they are probably pretty far along the process. Also, BCH is basically Jihan Wu's creation. If Bitmain isn't far along creating a better ASIC chip, or the new chip isn't enough an improvement, I suspect Bitmain is more likely to prop up the price of BCH rather than BTC. We will see. The reason Bitmain is now so dominate in the mining sector is because they were one of the few that managed to survive and thrive after the 2014/2015 bear market.

The development of new generation asic takes months and  millions of investment. Let's say that Jihan will be ready to produce the next s11 with the 10nm Samsung chip in 2019. If the price of Bitcoin is the same, all s9's will be useless in 6 months tops from now. How are all supposed  to start buying the new devices, provided that they didn't return their money for s9s? (43% increase for the last 3 monts speaks of the number of new devices bought). Even with s11, in 2019 their profit will be near 0, so to speak DOA. Who will buy a 3000$ device with a near 0 profit and old devices with no ROI? Regarding the BeeCasH - the hashrate is 10x less. Any increase in the price of BeeCasH attracts miners, raises the difficulty (remember it is daily adjusted) and the profit at the end of the day is the same as with mining bitcoin. We had a fresh example - BeeCasH price was 5x pumped but the profit was only equal to the profit of bitcoin - 10-50% increase during the pump. Only if the price of BeeCasH is 10x compared to the present, the profit may become bigger permanently. This is ridiculous btw. So most of the miners will prefer to hold and even buy bitcoins in order to reach better price. With or without Jihan - they need at least 4x times increase i.e. around 30K price, to keep the hopes of ROI and further profit.

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I agree that there are many people like Rojer Ver who delibarately sold tens and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins to pump their beecash etc. shitcoins. But there are other whales as well - mining whales mostly with short fat fingers which love to hit sell button on bitfinex. Each day 1800 new bitcoins are mined. For a week they gather 12600, for 1 month 50400, etc. Not so long time ago (5-6 months) they had enough profit to do so - like 20$ per asic s9 per day. But now, thanks to the many new s9's (and equivalent) plugged in, their profit is only 2.8$ per day with 0.1$ elecricity price. In the last 3 months the mining difficulty rose by 43% (meaning 43% less profit with the same price of Bitcoin). In 3 months the expected difficulty is almost the same 35-40%, so their revenue will drop from 6 to 3-4$ meaning the profit will be around 0$. I am curious if they will be happy to hit the sell button then. I guess not.

That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/


Why would Bitmain be forced to pump the price up? It has been quite sometime since the S9 came out. I am quite certain that they have already developed the next generation of ASIC chip and are mining with those for themselves. If not, they are probably pretty far along the process. Also, BCH is basically Jihan Wu's creation. If Bitmain isn't far along creating a better ASIC chip, or the new chip isn't enough an improvement, I suspect Bitmain is more likely to prop up the price of BCH rather than BTC. We will see. The reason Bitmain is now so dominate in the mining sector is because they were one of the few that managed to survive and thrive after the 2014/2015 bear market.

The development of new generation asic takes months and  millions of investment. Let's say that Jihan will be ready to produce the next s11 with the 10nm Samsung chip in 2019. If the price of Bitcoin is the same, all s9's will be useless in 6 months tops from now. How are all supposed  to start buying the new devices, provided that they didn't return their money for s9s? (43% increase for the last 3 monts speaks of the number of new devices bought). Even with s11, in 2019 their profit will be near 0, so to speak DOA. Who will buy a 3000$ device with a near 0 profit and old devices with no ROI? Regarding the BCH - the hashrate is 10x less. Any increase in the price of BCH attracts miners, raises the difficulty (remember it is daily adjusted) and the profit is the same as with mining bitcoin. We had a fresh example - BCH price was 5x pumped but the profit was only equal to the profit of bitcoin - 10-50% during the pump. Only if the price of BCH is 10x compared to the present, the profit may become bigger permanently. This is ridiculous btw. So most of the miners will prefer to hold and even buy bitcoins in order to reach better price. With or without Jihan - they need at least 4x times increase i.e. around 30K price, to keep the hopes of ROI and further profit.



Bitmain probably doesn't give a shit about the plight of the miners that they sell their product to. Bitmain has their own huge mining farms and I suspect that they put the latest and the greatest of their ASICS to good use well before releasing them to the public. When Bitmain finally releases a product to the public, they are basically only throwing the rest of us a bone. Probably to make them feel like they are the good guys.  Cheesy
You are probably correct that it doesn't make much sense to pump up BCH, since their current difficulty algo changes with every single block. I doubt that they have the resources necessary to actually have BCH overtake BTC. Ver, faketoshi and Wu sure have been giving it their best shot for almost 11 months now and have still are not even close to succeeding.
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Bob is gay AF after bogdanovfs... Cheesy Cheesy

TBH, I find facial cosmetic surgery, to the extent the Bogdanov's have undergone, as hideous, and firmly enters the uncanny valley territory.

I put them in the same category as Jocelyn Wildenstein when it comes to affronts to the human form.

As a meme, the Bogdanovs are comedy gold.

As physical, living beings, I am actually repulsed by them.

To insist on having cosmetic surgery done, to the extent they have, usually speaks to deeper underlying mental-health issues, IMO.

I expect synthoil injections into their pecs and biceps is on the menu for them at some point...
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May 27, 2018, 06:21:53 PM

So it's starting to look pretty obvious whales are battling a spike to try and break 7400 and then down to under 7300.
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May 27, 2018, 06:42:25 PM

I am thinking that these bearwhales are looking to push this price down to about the $68xx range until they are satisfied. Hope they don't have the ammo to push even lower than that.
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