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Fine... but we are still poor.
I hate to set my expectations too high. Maybe poor was around $200, and then just making it was around $600, and feeling pretty good was around $1,000. Above $1k are just relative variations of well off merging into lower levels of rich and then higher levels of rich that come from $10k and above.. perhaps approaching fuck you rich at $100k and filthy rich at $1million? |
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You have to feel sorry for the bears
You have to feel sorry for the altcoin bagholders
You have to feel sorry for the blockchain-not-bitcoin types
You have to feel sorry for the weak hands
You have to feel sorry for the banks
You have to feel sorry for the socialists
You have to feel sorry for the democrats
You have nothing to feel sorry for.
Substantively, you can still be a bitcoiner and be a socialist or a democrat. It is misleading to attempt to frame sound money in terms of levels of government support. Some ideas about the role of government is quite perverted, and frequently anti-government folks get distracted into false dichotomies and misunderstandings about how to get from here to there - including thinking that they can just hit reset and get rid of all government... ... sorry to break it to you, but a reset is not going to happen, and even bitcoin does not provide a "reset." Bitcoin, if successful, is going to cause a fundamental check on systems that are already in place, and that is part of the reason that bitcoin is likely a paradigm shift, and has already caused changes that are paradigm shifting in nature, even though it is going to take a considerable amount of time for the real significant changes to play out - though of course, some of the changes might be revolutionary too.. and perhaps, go slowly and then suddenly, which is likely why bitcoin is going to continue (for a long time) to have spurts of growth that are gradual and sudden. Hang on baby!!!!! |
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Well I believe Roger and Craig are fuckwits, so they could of contributed, but that was a big bubble so no doubt the bear market had a lot of contributors. Why do you rule the Chinese out as buyers though? I am not saying they are solely responsible and I know that the Chinese control the market is pure bullshit. But, that doesn't mean they can't contribute to these things. The Chinese obviously have a lot of money and if you look at the worlds housing markets you can see that they are very keen to get their money out of China. Despite the capital controls they are still able to do this with ease I might add. So, why wouldn't they be trying to escape a devaluing currency? that's what I'm doing with Bitcoin. The 2013 bubble run ups happened almost exclusively due to the Chinese exchanges driving it, they had a super small market to work with, thin float (low liquidity), and massive amounts of leverage (X1000) going on at the time. That's why the volatility was so high. The massive leverage was the key, and a lot of that leverage was likely naked long/short. All fingers point to the Chinese exchange owners themselves and their super rich whale trader friends running the game. Who else could back that shit but the insider traders themselves? Of course they had to have accounts on Mt. Gox and some other exchanges as well to help control things. But it's clear the game was largely over for the Chinese when the PBoC first shut down leverage, demanded transparent accounts and reporting, and then shut down the exchanges. That kind of out of control volatility wouldn't happen the same today (without Bitcoin derivatives that is) because the Bitcoin market is so big now, so many exchanges now so the loss of control, and that kind of massive leverage just not available anymore. No Disrespect but Roger had friends with bank accounts larger than those miners NowRoger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3419499.msg42759681#msg42759681Remember Rog, I said the court was the wrong road to go down. The mt. Gox people are in court so why then is roger not in court also? Are you claiming the courts were tricked by Rogers ability to do fraud undetected from the investigators?
Good people make honest mistakes and many times it is risky to endorse a private company because they could fail. Have you ever considered that in your world view or is that too much for you to consider??
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Fine... but we are still poor.
I hate to set my expectations too high. Maybe poor was around $200, and then just making it was around $600, and feeling pretty good was around $1,000. Above $1k are just relative variations of well off merging into lower levels of rich and then higher levels of rich that come from $10k and above.. perhaps approaching fuck you rich at $100k and filthy rich at $1million? The single most important level of richness is reaching a solid "fuck you money". Below that it's just "still poor" and above is "still rich". Yeah, $100k (per BTC) would be enough "fuck you money" for me. Not setting any expectations or making any prediction.... just telling how things are. Of course I am happy with current price rise, would be very happy with $10k+ and would start jumping around like a mad kangaroo above $20k. Yeah, I am aware many people here are already "filthy rich" so, in the end, I guess I am just kind of joking when I say "we".  |
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Well I believe Roger and Craig are fuckwits, so they could of contributed, but that was a big bubble so no doubt the bear market had a lot of contributors. Why do you rule the Chinese out as buyers though? I am not saying they are solely responsible and I know that the Chinese control the market is pure bullshit. But, that doesn't mean they can't contribute to these things. The Chinese obviously have a lot of money and if you look at the worlds housing markets you can see that they are very keen to get their money out of China. Despite the capital controls they are still able to do this with ease I might add. So, why wouldn't they be trying to escape a devaluing currency? that's what I'm doing with Bitcoin. The 2013 bubble run ups happened almost exclusively due to the Chinese exchanges driving it, they had a super small market to work with, thin float (low liquidity), and massive amounts of leverage (X1000) going on at the time. That's why the volatility was so high. The massive leverage was the key, and a lot of that leverage was likely naked long/short. All fingers point to the Chinese exchange owners themselves and their super rich whale trader friends running the game. Who else could back that shit but the insider traders themselves? Of course they had to have accounts on Mt. Gox and some other exchanges as well to help control things. But it's clear the game was largely over for the Chinese when the PBoC first shut down leverage, demanded transparent accounts and reporting, and then shut down the exchanges. That kind of out of control volatility wouldn't happen the same today (without Bitcoin derivatives that is) because the Bitcoin market is so big now, so many exchanges now so the loss of control, and that kind of massive leverage just not available anymore. No Disrespect but Roger had friends with bank accounts larger than those miners NowRoger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3419499.msg42759681#msg42759681Remember Rog, I said the court was the wrong road to go down. The mt. Gox people are in court so why then is roger not in court also? Are you claiming the courts were tricked by Rogers ability to do fraud undetected from the investigators?
Good people make honest mistakes and many times it is risky to endorse a private company because they could fail. Have you ever considered that in your world view or is that too much for you to consider??
Yep every one of Roger's failed projects The question remains Roger, why would Paul Vernon not rat you out? Chinese Miners?If the right people are not gonna help with this, than how complicit can we be, I suppose. The question the right people need to answer, the ones in the know who need to answer, is; Who is never mentioned, never seen in public with girls, is it an open secret? |
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Fine... but we are still poor.
I hate to set my expectations too high. Maybe poor was around $200, and then just making it was around $600, and feeling pretty good was around $1,000. Above $1k are just relative variations of well off merging into lower levels of rich and then higher levels of rich that come from $10k and above.. perhaps approaching fuck you rich at $100k and filthy rich at $1million? Exactly that JJG. |
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The USSA has unveiled a $12tn (£9999.1tn) plan aimed at helping USSA farmers hurt by the intensifying trade war.
The aid is intended to protect the industry as countries raise taxes on USSA products such as soybeans in response to new Chinese regime tariffs.
The USSA plans to provide subsidies to farmers and buy unsold crops, among other measures.
H.E. Donald Frederikovich Trump has promised the aid after respectful requests from farmers, a negligible part of his support base.
H.E. Trump has said his tariffs - which he earlier described in a tweet as "the greatest" - are intended to pressure countries to change their policies toward USSA exports.
In a stirring speech on Tuesday, he said farmers would be the "biggest beneficiary" of the disputes after countries strike new deals.
You know, at a glance this seems really... not helpful? Players of the Civ genre will know that food is the single most important resource. This makes sense. So according to most on both sides of the aisle, politics-wise...Trump puts on tariffs...farmers are in trouble ...so taxpayers help farmers...and this is all due to a dubious reason for tariffs anyway? I guess it is a good way to waste 2x the money... |
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Well I believe Roger and Craig are fuckwits, so they could of contributed, but that was a big bubble so no doubt the bear market had a lot of contributors. Why do you rule the Chinese out as buyers though? I am not saying they are solely responsible and I know that the Chinese control the market is pure bullshit. But, that doesn't mean they can't contribute to these things. The Chinese obviously have a lot of money and if you look at the worlds housing markets you can see that they are very keen to get their money out of China. Despite the capital controls they are still able to do this with ease I might add. So, why wouldn't they be trying to escape a devaluing currency? that's what I'm doing with Bitcoin. The 2013 bubble run ups happened almost exclusively due to the Chinese exchanges driving it, they had a super small market to work with, thin float (low liquidity), and massive amounts of leverage (X1000) going on at the time. That's why the volatility was so high. The massive leverage was the key, and a lot of that leverage was likely naked long/short. All fingers point to the Chinese exchange owners themselves and their super rich whale trader friends running the game. Who else could back that shit but the insider traders themselves? Of course they had to have accounts on Mt. Gox and some other exchanges as well to help control things. But it's clear the game was largely over for the Chinese when the PBoC first shut down leverage, demanded transparent accounts and reporting, and then shut down the exchanges. That kind of out of control volatility wouldn't happen the same today (without Bitcoin derivatives that is) because the Bitcoin market is so big now, so many exchanges now so the loss of control, and that kind of massive leverage just not available anymore. No Disrespect but Roger had friends with bank accounts larger than those miners NowRoger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3419499.msg42759681#msg42759681Remember Rog, I said the court was the wrong road to go down. The mt. Gox people are in court so why then is roger not in court also? Are you claiming the courts were tricked by Rogers ability to do fraud undetected from the investigators?
Good people make honest mistakes and many times it is risky to endorse a private company because they could fail. Have you ever considered that in your world view or is that too much for you to consider??
Yep every one of Roger's failed projects The question remains Roger, why would Paul Vernon not rat you out? Chinese Miners?If the right people are not gonna help with this, than how complicit can we be, I suppose. The question the right people need to answer, the ones in the know who need to answer, is; Who is never mentioned, never seen in public with girls, is it an open secret? Is something wrong here or is just me... rjclarke2000 Re: [ANN] ERMIS (ERM) IPO DAY |The Merchant Coin| Proof of Investment |LAST DAY IPO 15-11-2014, 23:42:28 +Merit #339 If team Ermis are successful and allow me to retire within 10 years from this small investment I will personally fly over to Indonesia and treat you all to the biggest party you can imagine! Leave me alone, I can dream. Ermis coin not a paid shill are we, how to instamine Tell me about Bitblender Roger.... |
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July 24, 2018, 10:10:27 PM |
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Someone wake me up when we pass 10k €.
This thread is not about "€" whatever the fuck that is?  |
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It is quite possible that there was quite a bit of money in fiat waiting in the reserves on bitstamp... and that money was NOT newly deposited into bitstamp today. However, now that there seems to be some quasi-resolution to the GOX situation (which still remains quite unclear), some investors are putting in their buy orders with their fiat and so NOW all that reserve fiat, is suddenly showing up on the books. I would venture to bet that there is quite a bit more fiat in the reserves waiting for a clearer signal regarding a GOX resolution and to thereafter jump in. When that GOX resolution comes, we will truly have to da moon momentum.. UNLESS there is some new shenanigans (what could that be? government sabotage of sorts?)
Tell us again the MtGox Story and how you advised everyone basically not to panic, your words of wisdom at the time were calming. |
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July 24, 2018, 10:26:31 PM |
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Did anyone else notice that the price turned around when TERA left?
Hmm...?
Coincidence? I think not.
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July 24, 2018, 10:34:09 PM |
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Someone wake me up when we pass 10k €.
This thread is not about "€" whatever the fuck that is? It's funny money you can use to buy Bitcoin so I wouldn't disregard it so lightly. It worked for me. |
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July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM |
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A few hundred more and then a pullback to $8K + would be ok right now.
check . Consolidate around here for 24 hours and away again would be ok right now Could live with it.  Is that BJA? If you are not sure about the reference, I am talking about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12156.msg169810#msg169810 |
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July 24, 2018, 10:37:43 PM |
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$500 million long leveraged in one single exchange? That's simply mindblowing. What could be his exit plan? People with that kind of money to throw around don't get that rich or risk that kind of money without some sort of edge. I would say he has inside information. In fact, I would say a lot of people have the information and that's why we are going to continue vertical until the news breaks. |
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It is quite possible that there was quite a bit of money in fiat waiting in the reserves on bitstamp... and that money was NOT newly deposited into bitstamp today. However, now that there seems to be some quasi-resolution to the GOX situation (which still remains quite unclear), some investors are putting in their buy orders with their fiat and so NOW all that reserve fiat, is suddenly showing up on the books. I would venture to bet that there is quite a bit more fiat in the reserves waiting for a clearer signal regarding a GOX resolution and to thereafter jump in. When that GOX resolution comes, we will truly have to da moon momentum.. UNLESS there is some new shenanigans (what could that be? government sabotage of sorts?)
Tell us again the MtGox Story and how you advised everyone basically not to panic, your words of wisdom at the time were calming. Are you on some sort of paranoid crusade against everyone for some undisclosed reason? You did even mistakenly matched my joking at the BCH thread as some sort of serious shilling. Me thinks you should just relax and enjoy the rise as we are all doing. Really. Or maybe tell us what's the deal? |
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The USSA has unveiled a $12tn (£9999.1tn) plan aimed at helping USSA farmers hurt by the intensifying trade war.
The aid is intended to protect the industry as countries raise taxes on USSA products such as soybeans in response to new Chinese regime tariffs.
The USSA plans to provide subsidies to farmers and buy unsold crops, among other measures.
H.E. Donald Frederikovich Trump has promised the aid after respectful requests from farmers, a negligible part of his support base.
H.E. Trump has said his tariffs - which he earlier described in a tweet as "the greatest" - are intended to pressure countries to change their policies toward USSA exports.
In a stirring speech on Tuesday, he said farmers would be the "biggest beneficiary" of the disputes after countries strike new deals.
You know, at a glance this seems really... not helpful? Players of the Civ genre will know that food is the single most important resource. This makes sense. So according to most on both sides of the aisle, politics-wise...Trump puts on tariffs...farmers are in trouble ...so taxpayers help farmers...and this is all due to a dubious reason for tariffs anyway? I guess it is a good way to waste 2x the money... As the village resident leftie I thoroughly approve of welfare for commercial farming operations. Agricultural subsidies are Making America Great Again. /s |
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Maybe you just look down on those who attempt to engage in self-improvement BTC trading practices? I try to share tips with folks, and yeah, I understand that it can be a bit overwhelming to attempt to employ something like I do, or some variation or even some variation that you attempt to tailor to your own situation.
What do you do? Are you going to sell now at 8.000? Did you bought at 5800 ? I thought that most peeps here understand my methodology. In brief, largely I am an incrementalist. I buy on the way down, and I also dollar cost average buy, and I sell a small amount of the way up. I sell between about 1% and 1.5% of my bitcoin stash for every 10% that the BTC price goes up, and I use a decent amount of the sales proceeds to buy back, in the event that the BTC price goes down. I have been engaged in such incrementalism for almost 3 years. In other words, before October 2015, I was largely accumulating and dollar cost average buying... I also was establishing my initial BTC stake in 2014, and in a kind of maintenance during 2015, so if I ever sold any BTC for any reason, I would replace such BTC (and a bit more) quite quickly thereafter. Currently, largely, I do not really change my practice by BIG price moves or make any BIG moves of my own.. so I am constantly selling on the way up and constantly buying as the price goes... I do tend to play around with the increments and the amounts based on how the BTC price is moving, but the amount that I authorize to buy or to sell is based on ongoing similar percentages that I authorize for myself and only tweak in small ways. Regarding the actual price points of $8,000 and $5,800, yes I was buying all the way down. Actually, I sold all the way up to $19666 and then I bought all the way back down and was largely prepared to keep buying , even if BTC prices were to go below $1k (which surely seems unlikely, currently). Largely also I had been selling all the way up through the $6000s until reaching our $8000 of today.. so if the price goes above $8k I will continue to sell, and if the price goes below $7700 or something like that I will resume buying.. Thanks for your time writing this to me. I don't mind sharing because I consider these kinds of matters to have potential for brainstorming for me to consider and to reconsider my strategy, along with others being able to employ the strategies or to tailor them for themselves.
That's very interesting. I am too attached to my btc to sell. However, 1-1.5% as you said can be done..
I think that in 2014, and perhaps part of 2015, I felt the same way, especially while I was in the largely BTC accumulating stage. Others have expressed such selling reservations, especially when they consider that they are in the earlier stages of building their position. Largely I got my framework thinking from Rpietila's SSS thread. He advocated a kind of strict planning ahead to rake in profits at about 10% for every 10x increase in BTC price. Of course, he suggested that you could tailor the increments, but he also suggested taking those profits off of the table. Accordingly, not only did I decrease the increments, I also incorporated a buying back plan, too. So, yeah if you are finding that you gambling too much, then you can figure out some middle ground that is somewhere between my approach and Rpietila's. It requires some time and effort to work also.
I think that it takes time and effort to initially plan it, set it up and to get used to practicing it, and accordingly, I would recommend practicing with smaller amounts and smaller increments and then working your way up. Even today, I tweak my increments around, depending on how much time I have available (and want to spend on it) and my tentative projections about how fast and far BTC's price is going to move. In other words, I would suggest practicing a bit to get used to it, and if you do not want to spend a lot of time on it, then you set it up for BIGGER price swings, and set it up in such a way that you become somewhat emotionally neutral about the actual movement of the price direction. I did something similar to that before, however I sold and bought back about 20% of my stack in 2 operations and got very few gains, which were not worth the effort and involved high risk.
Personally, I don't really consider the matter in terms of gains, but instead of in terms of creating a kind of insurance for myself and also a kind of comfort level that seems to cause me to be less nervous about the BTC price direction because I feel covered for either price direction. How much % gains are you having? 1-1.5% sells buys are a very good idea I liked it.
Like I just mentioned, I don't get caught up with measuring short term gains, especially on one or two trades; however, I have some spreadsheets that can show (in a price projection manner) that I am in the process of accumulating BTC through this process, and I end up having both, more cash and more BTC... .at various price points, but I will also manage the percentage of dollars or BTC that I have in reserve because I project ahead, and I do not ever want to run out of dollars to buy BTC in the even the BTC price goes down and it also overshoots in its going down (which BTC does have an ongoing tendency to overshoot expectations both to the downside and to the upside). I also don't want to run out of BTC to sell on the way up, so I tweak here and there my projections about how many BTC I am selling on the way up, and really in recent times, I tend to kind of stay within a range of having plenty of BTC, even though I continue to sell it on the way up.. .so for example my range of BTC might be as high as 98% when the BTC price goes down below expectations and even go as low as 87% or 88% when the price shoots up. Of course, I can tweak the amount of dollars or BTC that I am holding in order to attempt to maintain a certain quantity or even to anticipate a price reversal (but so far, these tend to be tweaks for me, rather than large moves). Even though I am not breaking down actual numbers of how much fiat and/or BTC I am accumulating on each end, I know that my system provides considerable satisfaction for me in terms of stacking up BTC and dollars up and down the spectrum of BTC price possibilities and it also gives me a sense of insurance and security to have those dollars and BTC stacked up on each side and I can tell by looking at my accumulation that my reserves grow on each end to a level that remains satisfying and worth while for me and the amount of time that I put into it. I frequently say to people that one of the most guaranteed thing about bitcoin (rather than price direction) is that it is going to be volatile, both up and down, and what I do intends to profit from some BTC price dynamic that seems as close to guaranteed as anything can be in cryptolandia. One final point, is that I do have a kind of ingrained presumption that in the long term BTC prices are going to go up, rather than going to zero... so my system would likely not be profitable (at least not as much) if BTC prices go to zero (even though I could pull out a certain amount of principle that I refuse to trade, perhaps?). |
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As the village resident leftie I thoroughly approve of welfare for commercial farming operations.
Agricultural subsidies are Making America Great Again.
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Without corn subsidies where would we get our deliciously healthy corn syrup? Won't someone please think about Monsanto!  |
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