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December 18, 2018, 01:14:31 AM

Here is an interesting opinion of Jim Rogers (which I completely disagree with, but i always like to listen to what opponents say):

https://youtu.be/tNSXWkApxU8?t=410

He basically says that if bitcoin/crypto would be successful, government can simply abolish it like England abolished scrip in the 30ies by making trading NOT in Bank of England notes (pounds) a TREASON.
Don't simply dismiss this, hopefully, wrong notion because he is an old fogie since this is Jim Rogers, again, who happens to know about commodity markets quite a bit.
He is not short, but not long either and acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?
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December 18, 2018, 01:19:50 AM

Here is an interesting opinion of Jim Rogers (which I completely disagree with, but i always like to listen to what opponents say):

https://youtu.be/tNSXWkApxU8?t=410

He basically says that if bitcoin/crypto would be successful, government can simply abolish it like England abolished scrip in the 30ies bymaking trading NOT in bank of england notes (pounds) a TREASON.
Don't simply dismiss this, hopefully, wrong notion, because he is an old fogie since this is Jim Rogers, again, who happens to know about commodity markets quite a bit.
He is not short, but not long either. Acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?


Yes, it is perfectly "possible".

But... why would they? Bitcoin have some features that may even be good for them.

Also, before simply banning it, there are lots of intermediate steps:

- Specific taxes
- Mandatory report of Bitcoin holdings
- Whitelisting only on fiat ramps
- etc....

So, even IF any of that would happen it would take many years. I am not worried yet.
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December 18, 2018, 01:28:21 AM

Yeah... unh... I dunno. 'Round these parts, $1M in savings is kinda wage slave money. What with the widest accepted annual drawdown on the order of 4%, that be like $40K annual before taxes.

I added the plus for those who see it as chicken feed. We had a member here from Switzerland who said it wasn't even enough to wipe his arse with apparently.   
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December 18, 2018, 01:30:46 AM

Here is an interesting opinion of Jim Rogers (which I completely disagree with, but i always like to listen to what opponents say):

https://youtu.be/tNSXWkApxU8?t=410

He basically says that if bitcoin/crypto would be successful, government can simply abolish it like England abolished scrip in the 30ies bymaking trading NOT in bank of england notes (pounds) a TREASON.
Don't simply dismiss this, hopefully, wrong notion, because he is an old fogie since this is Jim Rogers, again, who happens to know about commodity markets quite a bit.
He is not short, but not long either. Acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?


Yes, it is perfectly "possible".

But... why would they? Bitcoin have some features that may even be good for them.

Also, before simply banning it, there are lots of intermediate steps:

- Specific taxes
- Mandatory report of Bitcoin holdings
- Whitelisting only on fiat ramps
- etc....

So, even IF any of that would happen it would take many years. I am not worried yet.

In 1933 FDR declared owning gold (inside the country) as being illegal.
Before that 40% of dollars had to be backed by gold. Afterwards, they did not have to be backed (for inside the country trade), but only in 1971 that gold-$ link was abolished for international settlements.

I am not worried too, but curious what will happen going forward when fiat debts would not be able to get paid.
How the reset would look like?
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December 18, 2018, 01:35:47 AM

Guess who is officially a hat wearer now?

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 Yeah buoy!!
Looking good.


Thanks! The guy who made it is talented, so gotta give credit where credit is due!  Cheesy Wink
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December 18, 2018, 01:45:13 AM
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In 1933 FDR declared owning gold (inside the country) as being illegal.

I'd be very curious to see how a move like that would be taken today. Western populations are far more entitled and far less dutiful than that generation.
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December 18, 2018, 01:55:40 AM

However, my own story is that I started buying at $1,200 in late 2013

You are not doing much to discredit my notion that you and Micgoossens are the dumbest money in the thread by stating that you bought at the absolute top of the last bubble, held all the way down to $200, watched the price then rise to $20k, sold zero, then watched it crater to $3k.  Yes, you are technically still in the black...by sheer luck or random coincidence.
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December 18, 2018, 02:00:00 AM

However, my own story is that I started buying at $1,200 in late 2013

You are not doing much to discredit my notion that you and Micgoossens are the dumbest money in the thread by stating that you bought at the very top of the last bubble, held all the way down to $200, watched the price then rise to $20k, sold zero, then watched it crater to $3k.

I don't have any obligation to attempt anything in order to discredit your fantasy-based notions, especially when you are further distorting (and making shit up) regarding what I had already stated.

Furthermore, hardly anyone, who is active in this thread, gives too much of a ratt's ass about what you say, except to the extent that some of those folks might be are here trolling/shilling, like you, and have some sympatica with you on such troll/shill basis - especially because you mostly tend to be off topic with your bullshit pumping of PMs and your other hate-based blather / talking points.
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December 18, 2018, 02:07:21 AM
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I put a stop loss just below -REDACTED-. No worries boys. I got this.

Congrats. Smiley
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December 18, 2018, 02:10:03 AM

I put a stop loss just below -REDACTED-. No worries boys. I got this.

Congrats. Smiley

No congrats until he closes the long in profits.

Don't feed the reckless gamblers Tongue
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December 18, 2018, 02:11:48 AM

I put a stop loss just below -REDACTED-. No worries boys. I got this.

Congrats. Smiley

No congrats until he closes the long in profits.

Don't feed the reckless gamblers Tongue

2true but he did say he put a stop in and I'm a reckless gambler. Cheesy
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December 18, 2018, 02:15:32 AM

Which site do you use to estimate optimal bitcoin fees?
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December 18, 2018, 02:16:11 AM

So, even IF any of that would happen it would take many years. I am not worried yet.

Don't forget govt will probably attempt to raise taxes to 90% again in the US (like they were at one time) in order to attempt to fund it's bloated military-welfare budget and zillions of overseas bases as the dollar collapses.
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December 18, 2018, 02:21:53 AM

I put a stop loss just below -REDACTED-. No worries boys. I got this.

Congrats. Smiley

No congrats until he closes the long in profits.

Don't feed the reckless gamblers Tongue

2true but he did say he put a stop in and I'm a reckless gambler. Cheesy

I am not sure where he put that stop loss and, anyways, stop losses are not completely foolproof.

Also the price is now trying to push through a resistance so it has a higher chance to retrace even if for attempting a second attempt later.

Don't get me wrong, I am also betting on the price going up. But 80x is another different beast in itself.
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December 18, 2018, 02:28:56 AM

I put a stop loss just below -REDACTED-. No worries boys. I got this.

Congrats. Smiley

No congrats until he closes the long in profits.

Don't feed the reckless gamblers Tongue

2true but he did say he put a stop in and I'm a reckless gambler. Cheesy

I am not sure where he put that stop loss and, anyways, stop losses are not completely foolproof.

Also the price is now trying to push through a resistance so it has a higher chance to retrace even if for attempting a second attempt later.

Don't get me wrong, I am also betting on the price going up. But 80x is another different beast in itself.

Yeah, 80x is fucking nuts!
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December 18, 2018, 02:36:06 AM

Dollar-cost-averaging/HODL Tax Tip. If you are *not* wheeling and dealing all the time, have a different paper wallet (or hardware, for that matter) for each year. You can limit your tax liability to long-term cap gains, if you only sell what you have held for a year. This applies to USA, may or may not in other places. Different wallets let you absolutely prove that it is older than a year.
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He is not short, but not long either and acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?

Mick Mulvaney (pro-btc frmr congressman) will now become Trump's new chief of staff soon, so we'll be fine. Stairway to heaven coming back soon.
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He is not short, but not long either and acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?

Mick Mulvaney (pro-btc frmr congressman) will now become Trump's new chief of staff soon, so we'll be fine. Stairway to heaven coming back soon.

He'll be fired or in jail by new year's Day.
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December 18, 2018, 03:10:20 AM
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Back when I was considering BobLawblaw's offer of a beer, I thought it would be a novel idea to use a vanity addresses so I began to search for Bitcoin addresses which would contain beer4me.  Turns out it was going to take days (or weeks) to create one so I shortened it to beer4m and crossed my fingers for a match sooner.  Tonight I went through my list and there were several that contained beer4me but I also found a surprise address:

1ArZLaPgR53CgMCpMz7EBEER4MyMic8ix5

msg: "This is a real Bitcoin address."

sig: "HFu4P/lTpCcDZRAXGhxFHoGsagdl9XD3QZrhhGDM4UWxKNBS4rAOvD6t3iYYvE2Fry3kL2IBIr71ih8E3V0OQTo="

 Just thought that was cool.
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December 18, 2018, 04:01:02 AM

anybody watching the AMFeed?

buys over 1M get an animated background, never noticed it until tonight, I have seen 4 of them so far
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