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I hope we can eventually get rid of this whole countries and borders nonsense. The internet is a good start and hopefully future space-based internet providers will eventually put an end to surface based internet filtering. And of course a global and distributed currency.
Well that’s what the EU is trying to do - get rid of borders. Of course the English want to put up more borders but never mind musn’t grumble
The EU is just shifting the problem to the edge of the EU instead of trying to make borders less relevant.

Please explain, do you mean the refugee problem?

Nevertheless borderless Europe is pretty fcking convenient, especially for someone who travels a lot. Just drive/travel from country to country without any hassle. Shengen area is a blessing.

When there is no border control on the borders, there will border control on the doors of shopping malls, schools, train stations, restaurants, hospitals, roads, highways and so on. And still people will get robbed, raped and killed for the sake of border-less travelling and free movement. So at the end the 20 minutes border control on the borders is pretty convenient procedure to go through.
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April 17, 2019, 07:44:26 PM

Genuine question -

If the value of one bitcoin became astronomically high one day & there was a state or island somewhere that was strictly bitcoin only as a monetary transfer of value would you emigrate to there?

It’s something I’ve long thought about & I most certainly would to be honest. It’d be great to live amongst like minded people.

 
I wouldn't hesitate to emigrate there!! Unfortunately, in the country I live in now, there is no freedom of speech. Cry Yesterday there was an assassination attempt on a presidential candidate who was almost 30% ahead of the incumbent in the first round of voting.
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April 17, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
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I just did some background reading on the latest Thai elections that happened in March 2019.  Results come out in May after new king appointed.  


Didn't know about the elections, I suppose it's just bad timing then. I guess some newly elected people want a piece of the pie too or just disagree with the whole project but didn't have a say in it until now.
As for the King, he's just a symbol. He's been here for two years since the death of his very popular father. He hadn't been crowned yet because of a mourning period he had to respect. He's completely different from his father, he's a bit hummm exuberant to say the least and really not respected by his people.

It's not easy realizing your dream in this world, good luck to Elwar and his companions.



The new king. Looks/feels like a joke.

 Obviously the prince's luggage was lost on the flight over so he borrowed some clothing from his lady friend and her dog.
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April 17, 2019, 07:49:32 PM

I hope we can eventually get rid of this whole countries and borders nonsense. The internet is a good start and hopefully future space-based internet providers will eventually put an end to surface based internet filtering. And of course a global and distributed currency.
Well that’s what the EU is trying to do - get rid of borders. Of course the English want to put up more borders but never mind musn’t grumble
The EU is just shifting the problem to the edge of the EU instead of trying to make borders less relevant.

Please explain, do you mean the refugee problem?

Nevertheless borderless Europe is pretty fcking convenient, especially for someone who travels a lot. Just drive/travel from country to country without any hassle. Shengen area is a blessing.

When there is no border control on the borders, there will border control on the doors of shopping malls," schools, train stations, restaurants, hospitals, roads, highways and so on. And still people will get robbed, raped and killed for the sake of border-less travelling and free movement. So at the end the 20 minutes border control on the borders is pretty convenient procedure to go through.


How big percentage is the "illegal" mass of the travellers?

Are they wanted beforehand or do they commit crimes where they see fit?

The people who commit crimes and bring "diversity" are allowed to the (at least in Europe) countries legally. Yeah, I mean the "culturally enrichening" folk.

There are criminals always and everywhere, some are just born with a brain like that. Some don't have empathy and there are always people who want to get by easier. Closing/opening borders doesn't change much in that.

The world is getting more and more digital every day, soon a person wanted by Iraq will be wanted by Latvia as well, with exchanging information. Oh wait, we do have interpol already?


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April 17, 2019, 07:51:50 PM

Building a country is a too complex thing.

If everyone is below 90IQ, that's a problem. If everyone is above 110IQ that's another problem.

You don't want everyone to be too dumb and you definitely don't want everybody to be too smart neither.

If everybody in a country is a smartass, building crypto mining farms, writing codes, healing people, teaching mathematics...

...who's going to pick up the trash?

Now you see why USA&EU allows refugees.
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April 17, 2019, 07:52:34 PM

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The EU is just shifting the problem to the edge of the EU instead of trying to make borders less relevant.
Please explain, do you mean the refugee problem?

Nevertheless borderless Europe is pretty fcking convenient, especially for someone who travels a lot. Just drive/travel from country to country without any hassle. Shengen area is a blessing.
Not specifically refugees (there are hardly any refugees, it is just immigration), but especially import tariffs or just plain blocking imports for silly reasons, forcing a single currency without enforcing responsible budgeting by member states or at least trying to harmonize wages and taxes, setting up EU police forces and army that is out of control of any member state, actively seeking confrontations with surrounding countries, etc. The EU in no way trying to make the EU border less relevant.

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...who's going to pick up the trash?


eventually, robots...
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April 17, 2019, 07:57:20 PM


...who's going to pick up the trash?


eventually, robots...

There will always be something a robot can't do but a dumb person can.

Dumb people matter.
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April 17, 2019, 07:59:56 PM
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Building a country is a too complex thing.

If everyone is below 90IQ, that's a problem. If everyone is above 110IQ that's another problem.

You don't want everyone to be too dumb and you definitely don't want everybody to be too smart neither.

If everybody in a country is a smartass, building crypto mining farms, writing codes, healing people, teaching mathematics...

...who's going to pick up the trash?

Now you see why USA&EU allows refugees.

But the refugees in Europe don't want to work. They are not even allowed to do so for a few first years (in my country at least). They want free money with a living space.

I used to live in Finland in an area where refugees were massively brought in, I'd say around 95% did not work and had no will to do so. They got more from the government than the lower wages were. I can see similar behaviour when travelling to Sweden or Norway for example. Most of them can't and won't integrate. Not ever.

Most of the garbage handlers in those countries are pale white.
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But the refugees in Europe don't want to work. They are not even allowed to do so for a few first years (in my country at least). They want free money with a living space.

I used to live in Finland in an area where refugees were massively brought in, I'd say around 95% did not work and had no will to do so. They got more from the government than the lower wages were. I can see similar behaviour when travelling to Sweden or Norway for example. Most of them can't and won't integrate. Not ever.

Most of the garbage handlers in those countries are pale white.

As far as I know EU is very selective when they are picking refugees.

I live in the country which sends you those.  Grin (Turkey)

All the dumber ones are here (estimated number is 5 effin million btw) and from what I see, all the doctors and engineers are leaving to the EU.

You have a point though. There are many who don't want to work too.  But hey, be glad you don't live over here. There is worse than bad.

Our alphabet is latin, but there are many Arabic signs I started to see in the streets in the last 4-5 years... I have no idea about what they say.
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April 17, 2019, 08:03:44 PM

@hueristic I hope your watching this game, just amazing 4 goals in 10 minutes WTF ??

Shit, I've been out all day. Still gotta run back out. I'll definitely check out the highlights when I get done later. Thx Smiley
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April 17, 2019, 08:04:11 PM


I just did some background reading on the latest Thai elections that happened in March 2019.  Results come out in May after new king appointed.  


Didn't know about the elections, I suppose it's just bad timing then. I guess some newly elected people want a piece of the pie too or just disagree with the whole project but didn't have a say in it until now.
As for the King, he's just a symbol. He's been here for two years since the death of his very popular father. He hadn't been crowned yet because of a mourning period he had to respect. He's completely different from his father, he's a bit hummm exuberant to say the least and really not respected by his people.

It's not easy realizing your dream in this world, good luck to Elwar and his companions.



The new king. Looks/feels like a joke.

 Obviously the prince's luggage was lost on the flight over so he borrowed some clothing from his lady friend and her dog.


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 Not sure what that means... whose is possessive as in "whose car is parked in my driveway?"
Possibly a very deep meaning in that image.


This is what I was alluding to earlier, i.e., it's all fun and games when a shitcoin is delisted, but what are the ramifications if exchanges with enough might collude to delist BTC?
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But the refugees in Europe don't want to work. They are not even allowed to do so for a few first years (in my country at least). They want free money with a living space.

I used to live in Finland in an area where refugees were massively brought in, I'd say around 95% did not work and had no will to do so. They got more from the government than the lower wages were. I can see similar behaviour when travelling to Sweden or Norway for example. Most of them can't and won't integrate. Not ever.

Most of the garbage handlers in those countries are pale white.

As far as I know EU is very selective when they are picking refugees.

I live in the country which sends you those.  Grin (Turkey)

All the dumber ones are here and from what I see, all the doctors and engineers are leaving to the EU.

You have a point though. There are many who don't want to work too.  But hey, be glad you don't live over here. There is worse than bad.

You guys make the best Kebab Cheesy And Turks are a working folk.

Where I see it we only get the dumber ones and all the "doctors and engineers" are just spoken about in the news, never seen a person who has seen or heard about such a person.

I'm not whining about my living situation Cheesy I love where I am and what I earn, but again, I work hard for it. That's why I dislike the "sliders" and the folk who want everything with doing nothing. It has taken a lot of work to get Europe where it is today, outsiders seem to think it just came to be Smiley money doesn't grow on trees.
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April 17, 2019, 08:16:56 PM

How big percentage is the "illegal" mass of the travellers?
When there is no border control, there are no illegal travelers, just legal.

Are they wanted beforehand or do they commit crimes where they see fit?
They commit crimes when necessary.

The people who commit crimes and bring "diversity" are allowed to the (at least in Europe) countries legally. Yeah, I mean the "culturally enrichening" folk.
Yes. Millions of such people have entered to Europe since 2015 through Europe's outer controlled borders, which were not controlled. So Europe broke it's own legislation and sovereignty too.

There are criminals always and everywhere, some are just born with a brain like that. Some don't have empathy and there are always people who want to get by easier.
That is why more criminals are not needed to enter into any country and the border control is the path of the least resistance.

Closing/opening borders doesn't change much in that.
The border control is not a "closed/opened border". It is the border control. Anyone with proper documents are able to go through border.

The world is getting more and more digital every day, soon a person wanted by Iraq will be wanted by Latvia as well, with exchanging information. Oh wait, we do have interpol already?
God bless we have.
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April 17, 2019, 08:18:47 PM

@hueristic I hope your watching this game, just amazing 4 goals in 10 minutes WTF ??

Five in 21 min Huh!!
I hope that it would end here and "robots" are eliminated.

Its just that Debruyne never underestimate Belgian injections Cheesy Grin

What did I just said Smiley
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April 17, 2019, 08:25:29 PM

How big percentage is the "illegal" mass of the travellers?
When there is no border control, there are no illegal travelers, just legal.

Are they wanted beforehand or do they commit crimes where they see fit?
They commit crimes when necessary.

The people who commit crimes and bring "diversity" are allowed to the (at least in Europe) countries legally. Yeah, I mean the "culturally enrichening" folk.
Yes. Millions of such people have entered to Europe since 2015 through Europe's outer controlled borders, which were not controlled. So Europe broke it's own legislation and sovereignty too.

There are criminals always and everywhere, some are just born with a brain like that. Some don't have empathy and there are always people who want to get by easier.
That is why more criminals are not needed to enter into any country and the border control is the path of the least resistance.

Closing/opening borders doesn't change much in that.
The border control is not a "closed/opened border". It is the border control. Anyone with proper documents are able to go through border.

The world is getting more and more digital every day, soon a person wanted by Iraq will be wanted by Latvia as well, with exchanging information. Oh wait, we do have interpol already?
God bless we have.


The last argument will make every other meaningless.

Crime has dropped every single year in my country for the past 25 years, we do have open borders. I'd say that has nothing to do with criminal activities.

We have interpol, we have "face-recognition" cameras amongst things we don't know about. Having borders everywhere would just complicate things, think about international transport and trade.

I do agree we must have some lines drawn, as there are places/people who can't integrate and whose cultural behaviour will never meet the standards of others. People are just different. But in EU the Shengen area has made things much easier, not vice versa and like said, I don't know anything about risen criminal activity, please do educate me if you have any information on that.
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April 17, 2019, 08:37:42 PM

This is what I was alluding to earlier, i.e., it's all fun and games when a shitcoin is delisted, but what are the ramifications if exchanges with enough might collude to delist BTC?

No exchange in their right mind would even attempt to delist BTC. Might as well shut down the exchange. (Except, of course, those dex that don't list BTC in the first place but use ETH or EOS as their base pair.)
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April 17, 2019, 08:49:15 PM

Genuine question -

If the value of one bitcoin became astronomically high one day & there was a state  ....
No. Stop right there. One thing or the other.
No more fucking states.
No more slavery.
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Interpol, the world's leading police-cooperation body, aims to "connect police for a safer world." Although the organization's constitution states that Interpol cannot engage in "any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character," it is increasingly being subverted by autocratic regimes seeking to pursue their exiled political opponents. The number of Red Notices (a type of arrest request issued through Interpol) has increased tenfold in the past fifteen years. Those targeted face the risk of arrest if they travel across borders; have difficulties obtaining visas and open bank accounts; and suffer reputational damage. Interpol remains opaque and lacks accountability for its actions. Recent reforms have started to address some of these issues. But more needs to be done to prevent the hijacking, repurposing, and weaponizing of Interpol by today's globalized authoritarian regimes.
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