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Another day of scammers creating bogus pictures full of lies.  NONE of that bullshit in your picture is actually a store of value besides gold.  To be a "store of value" something has to be a non-perishable commodity.  Stocks are not stores of value; they're not commodities; they're a business that can implode to zero at any second.  Houses are not stores of value - you could classify them as a commodity, but the physical structure deteriorates and requires enormous amounts of money in maintenance & property tax.  Just because they can be flipped occasionally for profit in inflationary bubbles doesn't mean they're actually stores of value.  A real store of value doesn't blow up just because you stop shoveling money at it.

Bitcoin is NOT a store of value because it's not a real commodity either (among the other problems like having zero fundamentals since it's designed to centralize).  The idea that something could be a store of value that doesn't even exist in the physical world is just buttfucking hilarious.  As I've explained before, you can hoard all 21 million bitcoins in the world if you want to but it grants you ZERO power over anyone.  People can just ignore you and create their own craptocurrency.  This is called lack of Schelling point.  A real commodity cannot be bypassed in this manner. Hoarding a real commodity actually does grant you power.
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guys, stop swearing, we need all three types of bitcoins at the same time: small blocks, medium blocks and large blocks
Maybe, maybe not.

But we certainly don't need CSW and his shitcoin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139844.msg50918896#msg50918896
Nobody needs BSV, period.

It's run by and associated with demonstrable human trash that deserves absolutely no spotlight.

I'm fine with jbreher advocating for larger blocks for technical reasons.


But CSW is obviously not interested in any technical argument. He isn't even competent enough to have one.
He's a filthy human scumbag that lies and deceives and can't produce a single original thought in his Master thesis.
His "winged" grades are worse than my grades with zero preparation or attendance.

And I'm certainly nowhere near capable enough to think up Bitcoin. So anyone south of me clearly isn't going to be either.

Add all the deception and plagiarism on top and you've got a piece of shit that should be ostracized by all of humanity, including any of his attempts to gain power.

For genius forgivable almost any behavior
1. No.

2. CSW is factually retarded, not a genius.

@alevlaslo lol who CSW??  Cheesy ok i'll engage, what would need to happen for you to admit that CSW is just a charlatan? That is, can you think of any outcome that would make you question your god (e.g. you'll disown him if he won't sign anything with Satoshi's keys by Jan 2020, or you'll disown him if Ayre's shill payment doesn't com in etc...)? So far you only put up a circular argument where CSW can do no wrong.
1-He doesn't want to prove that he's Satoshi because he's Satoshi
2-Every fart that comes out of his mouth is forgivable because he's Satoshi  
3-If you don't believe that he's Satoshi goto 1

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/166/kleiman-v-wright/

Case 9:18-cv-80176-BB Document 166 Entered on FLSD Docket 05/03/2019 Page 1 of 4



                                   UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                                   SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA

                                 CASE NO. 18-CIV-80176-Bloom/Reinhart


  IRA KLEIMAN, as personal representative of
  the estate of David Kleiman, and
  W&K INFO DEFENSE RESEARCH, LLC.

                 PlaintiffS,

         v.

  CRAIG WRIGHT

                 Defendant.

  ___________________________________/

   ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION REGARDING PRODUCTION OF A LIST OF
   THE PUBLIC ADDRESSES OF HIS BITCOIN AS OF DECEMBER 31, 2013 [DE 155]

         Before the Court is the Defendant’s Sealed Motion Regarding Production of a List of the

  Public Addresses of his Bitcoin as of December 31, 2013 (“the Bitcoin Holdings Motion.”) [DE

  155]. The Defendant filed a Motion to Seal the Bitcoin Holdings Motion, DE 151, which the

  undersigned granted. DE 153. Plaintiffs filed their Response under seal. DE 162. For the reasons

  stated below, the Court finds that redacted, unsealed versions of the Bitcoin Holdings Motion and

  the Plaintiffs’ Response to that motion can be filed in the public record. Nothing contained in the

  instant Order discloses material that remains under seal.

         The Court, sua sponte¸ has reconsidered its Order granting Dr. Wright’s Motion to Seal. It

  is this Court’s general policy that its proceedings are public and Court filings are matters of public

  record. SDFL Local Rule 5.4(a). A party seeking to seal materials related to a discovery motion

  must satisfy the burden for a Rule 26 protective order, that is, good cause. Chicago Tribune Co.

  v. Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc. 263 F.3d 1304, 1312-13 (11th Cir. 2001); FTC v. AbbVie Products,
Case 9:18-cv-80176-BB Document 166 Entered on FLSD Docket 05/03/2019 Page 2 of 4



  LLC, 713 F.3d 54, 63 (11th Cir. 2013). Having had the opportunity to review the party’s pleadings,

  the Court finds there is good cause to seal portions of the pleadings, but not the pleadings in their

  entirety.   Redacted versions of those pleadings can be filed in the public record without

  compromising the original purpose for sealing them. 1 The Court will allow the parties to be heard

  before finalizing its redactions.

          At issue is whether it would be unduly burdensome for Dr. Wright to produce a list of his

  bitcoin holdings as of December 31, 2013. This Court has held multiple discovery hearings that

  addressed issues relating to Dr. Wright’s current and past bitcoin holdings. DE 107 at 120-123;

  DE 122 at 61-63; DE 124 at 18-23. Ultimately, the Court ordered Dr. Wright to produce a list of

  his bitcoin holdings as of December 31, 2013, without prejudice to Dr. Wright filing a motion for

  protective order based on undue burden. DE 124 at 18-23.

          Thereafter, Dr. Wright filed an unverified motion in which he identified a number of

  bitcoin public addresses that he mined. Although not delineated as a Motion for Protective Order,

  that is what the pleading is. Dr. Wright asserted that he does not have a complete list of the public

  addresses he owned on any date, including December 31, 2013. He further asserted that in 2011

  he transferred ownership of all his bitcoin to a blind trust. Although he makes the conclusory

  statement that it would be unduly burdensome to produce a list of his bitcoin holdings as of

  December 31, 2013, this conclusion is not supported by facts. In essence, he does not argue undue

  burden, he argues impossibility. The argument that Dr. Wright is incapable of providing an

  accurate listing of his current or historical bitcoin holdings was never presented in any of the prior

  hearings before this Court, when the Court was crafting the scope of discovery. Notably, the



  1
   Remaining under seal are the names of non-parties and the identifying information for the amount
  and identity of certain bitcoin. In addition, discovery material attached to Plaintiffs’ Response as
  Exhibits 1 and 2 remains under seal.
                                                        2
Case 9:18-cv-80176-BB Document 166 Entered on FLSD Docket 05/03/2019 Page 3 of 4



  Bitcoin Holdings Motion does not refute the obvious response to this argument – get the

  information from the trustee of the blind trust.

         In response to Dr. Wright’s Motion, the Plaintiffs ask the Court to order the following

  additional discovery: (1) make Dr. Wright produce the list of bitcoins owned as of December 31,

  2013; (2) make Dr. Wright identify all bitcoins he transferred to the blind trust in 2011; (3) make

  Dr. Wright produce documents related to the blind trust; (4) make Dr. Wright identify, under oath,

  the identity of the current and past trustees of the blind trust, the beneficiaries of the blind trust,

  and the manner in which the bitcoins were transferred to the blind trust; and (5) permit further

  deposition of Dr. Wright with regard to his ownership and control over bitcoins. DE 162 at 5-6.

  The Court finds that this additional discovery is warranted. The Court has already found that

  tracing Dr. Wright’s bitcoin holdings is relevant to the Plaintiffs’ theft claims. The order to

  produce a list of bitcoin holdings as of December 31, 2013, was a compromise; it was the Court’s

  attempt to provide Plaintiffs with relevant and material evidence without unduly burdening Dr.

  Wright. That Dr. Wright now argues it is not feasible for him to identify the bitcoin he held on

  December 31, 2013, does not diminish Plaintiffs’ entitlement to the pertinent evidence. That

  evidence can be obtained through other means, which the Court will authorize Plaintiffs to use.

         It is therefore ORDERED that:

         1. Dr. Wright’s Motion Regarding Production of a List of the Public Addresses of His

             Bitcoin as of December 31, 2013, [DE 155] which is deemed to be a Motion for

             Protective Order, is DENIED.

         2. The Order to Seal [DE 153] is modified to allow for the filing of redacted copies of DE

             155 and DE 162. The Court will provide copies of its proposed redacted pleadings to

             the parties, but will not yet file those redacted pleadings on the docket. The parties



                                                        3
Case 9:18-cv-80176-BB Document 166 Entered on FLSD Docket 05/03/2019 Page 4 of 4



             shall notify the Court by May 8, 2019, at 5:00 p.m. Eastern time if they seek additional

             redactions.

         3. On or before May 8, 2019, at 5:00 p.m. Eastern time, Dr. Wright shall provide to

             Plaintiffs a sworn declaration identifying the name and location of the blind trust, the

             name and contact information for the current trustee and any past trustees, and the

             names and contact information of any current or past beneficiaries.

         4. On or before May 9, 2019, at 5:00 p.m. Eastern time, Dr. Wright shall produce to

             Plaintiffs a copy of any and all documents relating to the formation, administration, and

             operation of the blind trust.    The production shall be accompanied by a sworn

             declaration of authenticity.

         5. On or before May 15, 2019, at 5:00 p.m. Eastern time, Dr. Wright shall produce all

             transactional records of the blind trust, including but not limited to any records

             reflecting the transfer of bitcoin into the blind trust in or about 2011. The production

             shall be accompanied by a sworn declaration of authenticity.

         6. Dr. Wright shall execute any and all documents, or other legal process, necessary to

             effectuate the release of documents in the possession, custody, or control of the Trustee.

         7. Any ruling on whether Dr. Wright’s deposition should be re-opened will be deferred

             pending the production described in this Order.

         DONE AND ORDERED in Chambers this 3rd day of May, 2019, at West Palm Beach in

  the Southern District of Florida.




                                             UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE


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https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=lyTOWUVaDHJdfUfkNZePWg==&system=prod

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    Bitfinex and Tether moved to vacate the ex parte order “because it was issued based on incomplete or incorrect facts and the wrong legal standard”
    Bitfinex and Tether argue that issuing the “there was no ongoing fraud, and no “victims” in need of the drastic remedy of an injunction to protect them”
    They argue that NYAG first needs to establish the basis for its authority “to even regulate in this sphere” and require Tether and Bitfinex to “address blunderbuss document demands”
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https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/05/06/bitfinex-and-tether-respond-to-nyag-saying-that-there-is-no-ongoing-fraud-and-no-victims/

What's really interesting to me here: 1. They conveniently leave out that they changed their website quietly to include that its reserves could consist of loans to affiliates 2. Tether doesn't mention that they lied about being 100% backed by USD for several months
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May 06, 2019, 09:45:19 AM

Bitcoin is not a permissioned ledger.

Of course it is.  Any non-fungible token where transactions aren't blinded and transaction validators are allowed to arbitrarly tamper with transactions is.  It doesn't matter if there's a thousand transaction validators and only one of them blacklists you, the simple fact that all of them CAN blacklist you at any moment is what determines it's classification.  

But in the case of bitcoin, the number of transaction validators is designed to centralize so much there will likely only ever be between 1 to 10 or so that actually matter at any given time.  That extreme centralization characteristic allows RETARDEDLY EASY full spectrum control of it by governments and other (((cartels))) to use it as the ultimate dystopian cashless society slavery system such as Aaron Russo warned about.
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Im keen to try (to make maybe) a folded omelette.

Looked good.
They're very much hit or miss for me. They're never bad, but they're often very lightly seasoned and sweetish. But the ones that are seasoned well are sublime.

There's a meme going around Japan that states that you can tell the quality of a sushi joint by tasting its omelette sushi. And to my surprise, it's spot on. I guess the level of care and attention to detail put into making the perfect omelette translates directly into top-tier sushi.

Anyway, they're fiddly to make. Especially without a square pan.


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the simple fact that all of them CAN blacklist you at any moment is what determines it's classification.  
No, they can not.

But in the case of bitcoin, the number of transaction validators is designed to centralize so much there will likely only ever be between 1 to 10
Wrong.

That is basically telling CSW to fuck off you illiterate twit.
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Bitcoin is not a permissioned ledger.
the simple fact that all of them CAN blacklist you at any moment is what determines it's classification.  
No, they can not.

What planet are you living on?  Transaction validators can blacklist whoever they want.  Even digital shitcoin shills like Adam Back & Gmaxwell know non-fungible tokens are complete garbage.  The only way to make it so bitcoin is not guaranteed to be a complete dystopia is either make all tokens fungible so transaction validators can either block all or none without being selective as to who to target or politically persecute, or to raise the number of transaction validators so high that it's not possible for them to collude or for blacklists to have any effect.  Imagine trying to spend bitcoins as Julian Assange once your wallets are tagged.  It's a complete joke of a system.

To increase transaction validators to an acceptable level, you would need to use something like unprofitable PoW where everyone processes their own transactions, but unprofitable PoW is an unworkable system that requires artificial convergence, so it's really not possible to create a decentralized digital currency at all.  Your second best option is to simply make all transactions blinded (fungible tokens), that way when transaction validators centralize, there's at least some limit on the power they can abuse.  But creating real fungible tokens is probably also not possible without introducing even more showstoppers.  Neither Zcash or Monero do it very well since Monero is just light plausible deniability and Zcash has far too many drawbacks.
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May 06, 2019, 10:09:21 AM

Fidelity to trade crypto for institutional clients “within a few weeks”
May 6, 2019, 5:41AM EDT

Fidelity, the massive Wall Street brokerage firm, is gearing up to trade crypto on behalf of its large institutional clients "within a few weeks," according to a report by Bloomberg.

Readers might recall that Fidelity's custody business for bitcoin has been up-and-running for the past couple of months. Now the firm will help those same clients trade in the nascent digital currency market — a service the firm has planned to offer since it announced its Fidelity Digital Assets business in October 2018.

Fidelity Digital Assets head Tom Jessop painted a picture of the firm's trading business, which will not be open to retail clientele, in an interview with The Block.

"We are not prop trading, we don’t have a desk," he said, noting that the firm would act as an agent for clients. "We are purely acting as effectively an agent, and that’s what our clients want. Our clients want to avoid the issues associated with funding on multiple exchanges, both administrative risk, or otherwise, they want something resembling the best price experience, and so we’ll try to do that by bringing liquidity providers, and other sources of liquidity onto our platform. I think effectively a smart order router, or logic, that would interrogate the market, find the best better offer, and allow the client to execute at that price."
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guys, stop swearing, we need all three types of bitcoins at the same time: small blocks, medium blocks and large blocks

No.

Small, medium and large are all relative terms. How long is a piece of string?

What is needed is Bitcoin.

What is not needed is almost all of the non-Bitcoin coins (a.k.a. shitcoins). Now, BCH & BSV are the king and queen of shitcoins. Not to mention the "self-proclaimed Satoshi Nakamoto" Craig S. Wright. He is certainly NOT needed.

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Buy Bitcoin (BTC).
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But honestly, this lightning shit isn’t working out as planned, the number of active channels on the lightning network is actually falling believe it or not,

I can believe it.  The concept of 'funding channels' is nothing but a vendor lock-in facilitator that's not conducive to how people want to handle their monetary affairs at a retail level.  It's something that only really belongs on the BACKEND of two exchanges doing some kind of arb.  Then the only network topology that can form in the real world is you opening a channel to a bank and having them route all your transactions from there since they will be far more connected than you are with more liquidity to each party.
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Hi. American here. What's a tart? Every time I've ever heard it used in movies or TV it's always a derogatory term for female human. We have Pop Tarts.. Are they at all similar?
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Hi. American here. What's a tart? Every time I've ever heard it used in movies or TV it's always a derogatory term for female human. We have Pop Tarts.. Are they at all similar?

An open pastry case with a sweet filling.

Or a slaaaag depending on the company you keep. You can of course give a tart to a tart.
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Hi. American here. What's a tart? Every time I've ever heard it used in movies or TV it's always a derogatory term for female human. We have Pop Tarts.. Are they at all similar?

An open pastry case with a sweet filling.

Or a slaaaag depending on the company you keep. You can of course give a tart to a tart.
Sometimes a tart even gives a tart to a tart.
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But honestly, this lightning shit isn’t working out as planned, the number of active channels on the lightning network is actually falling believe it or not,

I can believe it.  The concept of 'funding channels' is nothing but a vendor lock-in facilitator that's not conducive to how people want to handle their monetary affairs at a retail level.  It's something that only really belongs on the BACKEND of two exchanges doing some kind of arb.  Then the only network topology that can form in the real world is you opening a channel to a bank and having them route all your transactions from there since they will be far more connected than you are with more liquidity to each party.

Not true. We only need some big merchants (like amazon) to connect for the LN to be useful for every retail client. Like now, there are too little sites who use LN, and they are at most experimental....so right, there are no many reasons to lock your coins as now, but that' only because the immaturity of the system.
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Hi. American here. What's a tart? Every time I've ever heard it used in movies or TV it's always a derogatory term for female human. We have Pop Tarts.. Are they at all similar?

An open pastry case with a sweet filling.

Or a slaaaag depending on the company you keep. You can of course give a tart to a tart.
Sometimes a tart even gives a tart to a tart.

Can also mean sour.

So I guess it's possible for a tart tart to give a tart tart to a tart tart.
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Can also mean sour.

So I guess it's possible for a tart tart to give a tart tart to a tart tart.

Keep going.

We need to give every google translate fuckhead here a nosebleed and maybe they'll sign up for language classes.
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Keep going.

We need to give every google translate fuckhead here a nosebleed and maybe they'll sign up for language classes.

All I know is you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart throws a sword at you.
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wow, and I thought tart is short for retard Smiley
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