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Same deal here @torque
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I love when critics like Ray Dalio have bitcoin in their frontal lobe 24/7, and are forced to continue to defend their position against it.

Must be so frustrating for him...salty.

https://twitter.com/RayDalio/status/1328731042690306048

He did say he might be missing something, so he is asking for feedback and wants to be corrected. What will happen is that many will say the same things we already know and he probably won't be convinced enough, but at least he is asking in a two way conversation (most of it his way, but that's just the way he thinks.)

He's not like some other billionaires who are completely negative about bitcoin.
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Bakkt Tuesday's numbers: Volume: 17 745 BTC ($192.84 million, +61%)  (New ATH)

https://twitter.com/BakktBot/status/1306115788995260424

Remember the dissapointment of the first day with volume of several bitcoins? Well, this escalated quite fast to the levels of the biggest exchanges! And this is still unnoticed among the other 'hot' news about defi and microshares. Defi is having currently around 100 000BTC locked into smart contracts and rising of course. More and more serious investors and companies are accumulating bitcoins causing a shortage on the spot exchanges. Good times are coming and the bears know it! Of course they will fight desperately between 10K and 20K to be able to buy cheap coins as long as possible. But when the ATH is breached, the real FOMO will start. Then the SEC morons like Jay Clayton will realise that invetstors do not need their approval to invest in Bitcoin. The obstacles they've built are not applied for Bitcoin. Peeps like Clayton and Mnuchin are bastards of the fiat adultery, while we are the true heirs of the only asset that will survive and get stronger with time.

So, are there any knife catchers left trying to gain from 5 min 1-2% drops? They must be completely blinded and not being able to see the big picture. It is funny how such plankton is coming here to boast with a leverage short profit. It is like a child boasting with his 2+2=4 calculation to a professor who invented a new branch in math. I don't know to laugh or to pity such n00bs. Especially, considering that 90% of the Binance trades are of sums below 0.01 BTC. And even if they make a profit on the first trade, the second will  be a loss to devour both their profit and their investment. Patetik and Haaalerius!
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I love when critics like Ray Dalio have bitcoin in their frontal lobe 24/7, and are forced to continue to defend their position against it.

Must be so frustrating for him...salty.

https://twitter.com/RayDalio/status/1328731042690306048

Maybe I am naive but I am taking him at his word.  I think he is wondering... wait, what is going on here?  Am I missing something and asking for perspective.  Otherwise why would he offer such a large target to all the drooling bitcoin twitter carnivore chorus?

I would assume he might be contacted by some people in his own sphere who are starting to pile in with some perspectives he will respect.

This could be the start of the orange pill process for him.

Or, maybe he's just salty.
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I love when critics like Ray Dalio have bitcoin in their frontal lobe 24/7, and are forced to continue to defend their position against it.

Must be so frustrating for him...salty.

https://twitter.com/RayDalio/status/1328731042690306048

Maybe I am naive but I am taking him at his word.  I think he is wondering... wait, what is going on here?  Am I missing something and asking for perspective.  Otherwise why would he offer such a large target to all the drooling bitcoin twitter carnivore chorus?

I would assume he might be contacted by some people in his own sphere who are starting to pile in with some perspectives he will respect.

This could be the start of the orange pill process for him.

Or, maybe he's just salty.

Eh, I have my doubts. He's asking the question just like J.K. Rowling asked the same question. I.E. in a very condescending, simplistic way as if they already know what Bitcoin is all about, but just want to pontificate. Such is how narcissists talk to the masses. Because the masses can't possibly know something that they don't, right?

IMHO, you can't truly know what Bitcoin is and how important it is until:

1. You fully understand what problem Bitcoin is trying to solve.

--and--

2. How truly fucking DIRE and SERIOUS that problem is.

If you don't understand these two things, then even if you kind of understand Bitcoin at a quasi tech-level, you will still never truly "get it". And if you are already wealthy, you may not even care (Winklevii and Saylor types notwithstanding).
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I think he's talking from a point of view where it does not matter to him, so it would seem he is genuinely asking for people to come up with smart ways to discuss the topic. He knows he's going to get a lot of carnivores biting him.

(Or, he already bought, and just riling up the masses who will read the tweet.)
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November 18, 2020, 03:52:02 PM

What I like about this month's big pump is that the few dumps that attempted to destroy it were quickly eaten out. This shows a strong upward momentum, which I hope will soon take us to ATH and beyond.

It's dumping again as I type this... Let's see... Will the above hold true?

In any case, I would still HoDL and wait.

I am happy I sold 2 pieces

1 piece  at 17900 and 1 piece at 18200

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November 18, 2020, 03:57:05 PM

by the way

what are the conditions to get a hat?

So I looked at your posts back till August.

I like some I gave you 6 merits. brings you to 30

Others should bother to look at them as they are decent enough to get more merits then what I gave to you
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I think he's talking from a point of view where it does not matter to him, so it would seem he is genuinely asking for people to come up with smart ways to discuss the topic. He knows he's going to get a lot of carnivores biting him.

(Or, he already bought, and just riling up the masses who will read the tweet.)

Ray probably already solidified his view on Bitcoin back in 2013. To a billionaire hedge fund manager, I can imagine that there are literally hundreds or thousands of investments out there that, to him, look like "a bunch of dumb small caps or penny stocks". And Bitcoin probably is counted among them.

But for some reason, it keeps coming back up every few years....like a bad penny. And it's now moving from small cap to med cap status.
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I will never forget.  I was at a very remote area on the Yucatan peninsula for Hurricane Mitch.  We had a couple days to see it coming. No need to get into the story too far, but we were trapped.  The roads to where we were had been blocked by striking construction workers.  We were being used as a bargaining chip.  And it looked like there was no way out.  Seeing the storm coming on satellite television as well as watching the strange way the gulf and the sky were acting was... well... beautiful.  And one of the most sobering 48 hours of my life.

You could really see that the storm was coming.  The tide went out strangely right before it came in at twilight.  I was standing on a balcony on the second floor of the place I was staying.  And I saw the wave.  Way out in the distance I saw it rolling in.  I called to my wife.  "Hey... you gotta see this.  Umm... I do not think it is going to stop!"

It didn't.  That surge blew RIGHT THROUGH the entire complex where we were, breaking all the plate glass doors on the first floor, and putting the whole development in about 5 feet of water.  The ocean had just stretched up a couple hundred yards past where was normal and everything around us, including ourselves were now IN IT. 

Pretty unforgettable.  Watching all the things line up over those 48 hours, and the seeing the storm hit.

You can see where I am going, right?  I am so acutely reminded of that time now.  All the things are lining up.

-Over the last year big money has been buying up miner and whale back stock on the OTC markets
-Outflows at exchanges have been at record levels.
-A publicly traded company puts all of it's reserves in BTC. MSTR nearly doubles in price after that move.
-For the last three years the big players have been piling in. Fidelity, Baakt, and now Citigroup etc.
-Billionaires, Millionaires, family offices and hedge funds have been quietly taking positions
-The world is under political stress at levels we have not seen since WWII
-Faith in the USD and the stability of the country behind it is at an all time low
-We endure a once in a century pandemic (sort of?)
-Governments start printing fiat money at an unprecedented rate as we drift DEEPLY into uncharted territory. There is no end in sight.
-Negative interest rates are being normalized.
-There is a new socialist push being put forward by the powers that be "The Great Reset"  "Build Back Better"
-The IMF is calling for a second "Bretton Woods moment and intends to create a one world money that will include negative interest rates on the rich and airdrops for the poor.
-At least one Central bank has stepped into the light regarding it's intentions to utilize Bitcoin
-Second layer solutions (Lightining, Liquid, Baakt, CashApp PayPal(?) etc) are all now well underway a will be there when the fee pressure starts to build
-The forks, and 99% of alts have now clearly failed.
-Celebrities are now starting to talk about Bitcoin.

What is going to happen when most of the float is dried up at the EXACT MOMENT that the herd starts to charge in?  Well early adopters, and other Whales have their prices.  It's talked about here a lot.  16,250?  100,000?  250k?

Thing is, these are going to be the only coins available.  The ones people do not currently want to sell.  It is going to get harder and harder to find Bitcoin to buy! It's a virtuous (or vicious depending on where you stand) cycle on a scale that is very rare, and arguably never seen before.  The SS BITCOIN has pulled up it's anchor and is pushing out to uncharted waters.  The institutional players coming in right now?  I believe *most* of them are not in this for a 5-20% scalp.  They realize this is a land grab.  This is the distribution phase.  They will pay almost whatever the early whales will sell for to claim their stake.  That is beginning RIGHT NOW.

A hurricane is caused by a confluence of meteorological conditions that allow it to form and spin up.  They are rare, thank God.

It's weirdly quiet out there right now.  Google searches for Bitcoin are way down just the last few days.  Even manic crypto/bitcoin twitter is yawning at least considering what is currently happening.  It is reminding me of the 24 hours before Mitch's surge hit.

I am a dramatic soul...  maybe I am too excited.  But "A perfect storm"?  I think history is being made... right now... big important history.  A moment in time during which the world changed drastically.  And it's just getting going.  Right now we are drinking beer on the beach looking at all the strange cloud formations way off in the distance.

My wife and I were saved in the end, obviously.  We are able to get to higher ground, and eventually the blockades were removed and a bus came to take us to Merida to ride out the storm.

This is, Gentlemen.  We are on high ground.  We have box seats in fact.  We have waited a long time to watch this unfold.  Maybe we still have to wait a little more?

I do not see any way for this storm not to hit.  And in all it's never seen before glory it will sweep everything out of it's way as it reshapes the financial landscape for history.

Carolina.
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I think he's talking from a point of view where it does not matter to him, so it would seem he is genuinely asking for people to come up with smart ways to discuss the topic. He knows he's going to get a lot of carnivores biting him.

(Or, he already bought, and just riling up the masses who will read the tweet.)

Ray probably already solidified his view on Bitcoin back in 2013. To a billionaire hedge fund manager, I can imagine that there are literally hundreds or thousands of investments out there that, to him, look like "a bunch of dumb small caps or penny stocks". And Bitcoin probably is counted among them.

But for some reason, it keeps coming back up every few years....like a bad penny. And it's now moving from small cap to med cap status.

He will have a position.  He will just have to buy some of us a house to take it. Wink  My house is going to need to be VERY VERY nice.
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Bakkt Tuesday's numbers: Volume: 17 745 BTC ($192.84 million, +61%)  (New ATH)

https://twitter.com/BakktBot/status/1306115788995260424

Remember the dissapointment of the first day with volume of several bitcoins? Well, this escalated quite fast to the levels of the biggest exchanges! And this is still unnoticed among the other 'hot' news about defi and microshares. Defi is having currently around 100 000BTC locked into smart contracts and rising of course. More and more serious investors and companies are accumulating bitcoins causing a shortage on the spot exchanges. Good times are coming and the bears know it! Of course they will fight desperately between 10K and 20K to be able to buy cheap coins as long as possible. But when the ATH is breached, the real FOMO will start. Then the SEC morons like Jay Clayton will realise that invetstors do not need their approval to invest in Bitcoin. The obstacles they've built are not applied for Bitcoin. Peeps like Clayton and Mnuchin are bastards of the fiat adultery, while we are the true heirs of the only asset that will survive and get stronger with time.

So, are there any knife catchers left trying to gain from 5 min 1-2% drops? They must be completely blinded and not being able to see the big picture. It is funny how such plankton is coming here to boast with a leverage short profit. It is like a child boasting with his 2+2=4 calculation to a professor who invented a new branch in math. I don't know to laugh or to pity such n00bs. Especially, considering that 90% of the Binance trades are of sums below 0.01 BTC. And even if they make a profit on the first trade, the second will  be a loss to devour both their profit and their investment. Patetik and Haaalerius!
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Thank you, thank you Smiley Since this post I think one of the main institutional players Grayscale made the difference with its over 500K BTC's. The good thing about it, is that this a closed market, where buyers who don't want to be directly exposed by holding bitcoins can buy and sell. So, more and more such companies accumulate, the bigger will be the supply shortage on the spot market. This had been a sign for a big movement of the price before it actually started. Now, the trend of an increasing shortage continues, which is amazing given the current price. No wonder the dips are so small compared to the usual 40-50% crashes in 2017-2019. The reserve on all exchanges has decreased from 2.8 mil to 2.2 mil BTC's in 7 months.

And another important factor IMO - the shorters on Bitmex and Okex got into troubles. Since then I can't remember even 1 bart, while before - each day at least 1 bart. Of course, now they can't do that even if they want. So the serious traders (not the high leverage gamblers) can't figure out now who is buying - average USA Joes and firms with paypal, or the institutions, or both? They can't also figure out what is the real price, and thus they prefer to hold longer, may be 6-12 months. And this inevitably will lead to even better times with glorious exponential bursts.  Wink
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November 18, 2020, 04:18:38 PM

What I like about this month's big pump is that the few dumps that attempted to destroy it were quickly eaten out. This shows a strong upward momentum, which I hope will soon take us to ATH and beyond.

It's dumping again as I type this... Let's see... Will the above hold true?

In any case, I would still HoDL and wait.

And back up she goes...

That's Bitcoin. Never ceases to amaze us!


I am happy I sold 2 pieces

1 piece  at 17900 and 1 piece at 18200

Not a bad move, provided you either buy back lower, or use the money to make an immediate and necessary purchase. In any other case, I think you will end up at a loss. Not criticizing your move, it's the psychological aspect of it too.



BTW (OT), I'm a big fan of Dark Mode, and have been using Dark Reader for sometime, in WO and in many other sites. Actually discovered it from a post here in WO. I read (here in WO too) that this may be a security threat due to leaking site data, etc. Just visited Dark Reader's official site, and noticed that it's an open-source project, and very highly respected, which put my mind at rest somewhat...

What do you guys think? Would you consider Dark Reader a security threat. Any known cases?

Or should we start using Tor on a Linux Live DVD for all things Bitcoin?

Bitcoin's ever rising value makes us reconsider certain approaches to the way we do things...
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I will never forget.  I was at a very remote area on the Yucatan peninsula for Hurricane Mitch.  We had a couple days to see it coming. No need to get into the story too far, but we were trapped.  The roads to where we were had been blocked by striking construction workers.  We were being used as a bargaining chip.  And it looked like there was no way out.  Seeing the storm coming on satellite television as well as watching the strange way the gulf and the sky were acting was... well... beautiful.  And one of the most sobering 48 hours of my life.

You could really see that the storm was coming.  The tide went out strangely right before it came in at twilight.  I was standing on a balcony on the second floor of the place I was staying.  And I saw the wave.  Way out in the distance I saw it rolling in.  I called to my wife.  "Hey... you gotta see this.  Umm... I do not think it is going to stop!"

It didn't.  That surge blew RIGHT THROUGH the entire complex where we were, breaking all the plate glass doors on the first floor, and putting the whole development in about 5 feet of water.  The ocean had just stretched up a couple hundred yards past where was normal and everything around us, including ourselves were now IN IT. 

Pretty unforgettable.  Watching all the things line up over those 48 hours, and the seeing the storm hit.

You can see where I am going, right?  I am so acutely reminded of that time now.  All the things are lining up.

-Over the last year big money has been buying up miner and whale back stock on the OTC markets
-Outflows at exchanges have been at record levels.
-A publicly traded company puts all of it's reserves in BTC. MSTR nearly doubles in price after that move.
-For the last three years the big players have been piling in. Fidelity, Baakt, and now Citigroup etc.
-Billionaires, Millionaires, family offices and hedge funds have been quietly taking positions
-The world is under political stress at levels we have not seen since WWII
-Faith in the USD and the stability of the country behind it is at an all time low
-We endure a once in a century pandemic (sort of?)
-Governments start printing fiat money at an unprecedented rate as we drift DEEPLY into uncharted territory. There is no end in sight.
-Negative interest rates are being normalized.
-There is a new socialist push being put forward by the powers that be "The Great Reset"  "Build Back Better"
-The IMF is calling for a second "Bretton Woods moment and intends to create a one world money that will include negative interest rates on the rich and airdrops for the poor.
-At least one Central bank has stepped into the light regarding it's intentions to utilize Bitcoin
-Second layer solutions (Lightining, Liquid, Baakt, CashApp PayPal(?) etc) are all now well underway a will be there when the fee pressure starts to build
-The forks, and 99% of alts have now clearly failed.
-Celebrities are now starting to talk about Bitcoin.

What is going to happen when most of the float is dried up at the EXACT MOMENT that the herd starts to charge in?  Well early adopters, and other Whales have their prices.  It's talked about here a lot.  16,250?  100,000?  250k?

Thing is, these are going to be the only coins available.  The ones people do not currently want to sell.  It is going to get harder and harder to find Bitcoin to buy! It's a virtuous (or vicious depending on where you stand) cycle on a scale that is very rare, and arguably never seen before.  The SS BITCOIN has pulled up it's anchor and is pushing out to uncharted waters.  The institutional players coming in right now?  I believe *most* of them are not in this for a 5-20% scalp.  They realize this is a land grab.  This is the distribution phase.  They will pay almost whatever the early whales will sell for to claim their stake.  That is beginning RIGHT NOW.

A hurricane is caused by a confluence of meteorological conditions that allow it to form and spin up.  They are rare, thank God.

It's weirdly quiet out there right now.  Google searches for Bitcoin are way down just the last few days.  Even manic crypto/bitcoin twitter is yawning at least considering what is currently happening.  It is reminding me of the 24 hours before Mitch's surge hit.

I am a dramatic soul...  maybe I am too excited.  But "A perfect storm"?  I think history is being made... right now... big important history.  A moment in time during which the world changed drastically.  And it's just getting going.  Right now we are drinking beer on the beach looking at all the strange cloud formations way off in the distance.

My wife and I were saved in the end, obviously.  We are able to get to higher ground, and eventually the blockades were removed and a bus came to take us to Merida to ride out the storm.

This is, Gentlemen.  We are on high ground.  We have box seats in fact.  We have waited a long time to watch this unfold.  Maybe we still have to wait a little more?

I do not see any way for this storm not to hit.  And in all it's never seen before glory it will sweep everything out of it's way as it reshapes the financial landscape for history.

Carolina.

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Patetik and Haaalerius!

This caught my eye. What is the reference?
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These are the hardest times for bitcoiners but I guess it is much harder for nocoiners let alone those shitcoiners around.
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BTW (OT), I'm a big fan of Dark Mode, and have been using Dark Reader for sometime, in WO and in many other sites. Actually discovered it from a post here in WO. I read (here in WO too) that this may be a security threat due to leaking site data, etc. Just visited Dark Reader's official site, and noticed that it's an open-source project, and very highly respected, which put my mind at rest somewhat...

What do you guys think? Would you consider Dark Reader a security threat. Any known cases?

Or should we start using Tor on a Linux Live DVD for all things Bitcoin?

Bitcoin's ever rising value makes us reconsider certain approaches to the way we do things...

I suppose this is fairly paranoid.  But I have come to believe that there will ALWAYS be something about my internet connected computers and phones that is a security threat.  I have basically given up on keeping these things secure.  Therefore hardware wallets and disconnected old laptops running Tails.  That said... I am an IT person.  The latter is not a trivial undertaking to do correctly.  And i figure many here could handle it... but we are elite in that regard.

Security and UX is STILL bitcoin's #1 and other #1 Achilles heel.
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Patetik and Haaalerius!

This caught my eye. What is the reference?

I was referring to various shorter trolls who came by arguing and persuading us that having some successful high leverage short deal (probably in the 100$ area) is way more profitable compared to holding. You can find some of them in the pages preceding my post. I wonder what happened to those trolls. I can't see any of them now.  Grin
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https://i.imgur.com/cKIH0LS.jpg

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today 42,886
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