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[ShroomsKit_Disgrace]

While we were busy being all thinky about it somebody crashed ETH down to ten cents. They're calling it 'The Floppening'

ETH is well above $300, but this topic is not about ETH

This thread is about Bitcoin price, therefore anything impacting Bitcoin price is "on topic", right?

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[Denker]

I am thinking that Core not supporting SegWit2x may be because after SegWit is activated, all eyes will be on them to raise the block size to 2mb. By not supporting it they can push for just moving on with SegWit and LN instead. They are also balking at the 3 month timeline which is not a lot of time for testing something that would fork the chain.

I can also see that the miners are agreeing to this compromise because they see that BIP148 will probably get SegWit activated so they might as well try to get the 2mb if they can.

Either way, it's looking like we will have SegWit some time around August.

Yeah, but what code is going to be run?

Will it be the segwit tested code or some inferior variation?

It is going to be the original SegWit BIP141! So you don't need to worry about that.
What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork. Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys! And only then a hardfork with enough support would be successful for them.
Core is pretty quite at the moment. I'm looking forward what's going to happen when SegWit is finally activated.

[Dakustaking76]

Whats holding btc back to rise again?
There is No move in iT
Bad news came out oresomething?

[becoin]

All that matters in the end is whether you reach your goals, or rather fulfill your deep desires.

What if your goal and deep desire is to find the truth?

[flipperfish]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

[Denker]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

Oh the fighting will be huge!Social enginerring, FUD, false information and so on.
Trust me!
And I will definitely not run a client where Core is not involved with!Period!
Cause that's the only aim here the other party is looking for. To push out Core!
By the way Andresen and Garzik where something once!
This time is over since few years!
The big talent, experience and skills is with core! More than 150+ coders! You can not beat that!

[becoin]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

All that matters in the end is whether you reach your goals, or rather fulfill your deep desires.

What if your goal and deep desire is to find the truth?

Kuhn's idea of scientific paradigms is an abandoned version of the coherence theory of truth. It was sexy for a while, but it doesn't blend.

[Denker]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

Yepp I agree.
To me this is another attempt to take control over Bitcoin!
I will do everything I can to prevent that to happen.
Use social media and inform people what's really going on.
And as I said, the smart users, especially the vets here will not run any rushed built client, especiall where nobody from Core is involved with.
This is why the other side will again use social engineering and spreading false information as their main weapon.'Cause the newbies have mostly no clue and are extremely easy to influence.

[flipperfish]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

You do realize, that these guys built the original BitcoinQt, which was the basis for Core, as well?
By the way: Jeff Garzik has a lot of code also in the linux kernel. So if you don't trust him, good luck with Microsoft/Apple. But yeah, I guess, that's the main problem here: You are trusting large corporations more than voluntary open development. Why do you even use Bitcoin?! There have been large corporations providing financial services around for years, you know?

[soullyG]

Yepp I agree.
To me this is another attempt to take control over Bitcoin!
I will do everything I can to prevent that to happen.
Use social media and inform people what's really going on.
And as I said, the smart users, especially the vets here will not run any rushed built client, especiall where nobody from Core is involved with.
This is why the other side will again use social engineering and spreading false information as their main weapon.'Cause the newbies have mostly no clue and are extremely easy to influence.

You realise there is social engineering and fud from both sides right? You're probably contributing to it without realising! Let's just get along and try to find a compromise?

 

On topic: moving up!

[becoin]

What gives me headaches is, that a few months later we will again have to argue and fight about the hardfork.

I guess, there won't be much fighting about that: With Segwit2x miners are signalling in bit 4, that they activate segwit once it reaches 80% and EXACTLY 3 months later the 2mb part. Miners backing out of the 2mb part risk getting orphaned blocks.

Although I can not believe any smart user is willing to run a client build by Jihan and the Shilbert guys!

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

You do realize, that these guys built the original BitcoinQt, which was the basis for Core, as well?
By the way: Jeff Garzik has a lot of code also in the linux kernel. So if you don't trust him, good luck with Microsoft/Apple. But yeah, I guess, that's the main problem here: You are trusting large corporations more than voluntary open development. Why do you even use Bitcoin?! There have been large corporations providing financial services around for years, you know?

You do realize that I can't trust a person that opposed translation of BitcoinQt UI in Farsi language because US gov introduced sanctions against Iran!

[flipperfish]

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

You do realize, that these guys built the original BitcoinQt, which was the basis for Core, as well?
By the way: Jeff Garzik has a lot of code also in the linux kernel. So if you don't trust him, good luck with Microsoft/Apple. But yeah, I guess, that's the main problem here: You are trusting large corporations more than voluntary open development. Why do you even use Bitcoin?! There have been large corporations providing financial services around for years, you know?

You do realize that I can't trust a person that opposed translation of BitcoinQt UI in Farsi language because US gov introduced sanctions against Iran!

Can you explain to me, why you think that Blockstream has to fear less issues with the US government than single individuals around the globe?

[becoin]

You do realize, that the Segwit2x client is mainly built by Jeff Garzik and has also some commits/reviews from Gavin Andresen?

You do realize that these guys built the clients for XT, Classic, and Unlimited as well?
All they do is the same just under another name!

You do realize, that these guys built the original BitcoinQt, which was the basis for Core, as well?
By the way: Jeff Garzik has a lot of code also in the linux kernel. So if you don't trust him, good luck with Microsoft/Apple. But yeah, I guess, that's the main problem here: You are trusting large corporations more than voluntary open development. Why do you even use Bitcoin?! There have been large corporations providing financial services around for years, you know?

You do realize that I can't trust a person that opposed translation of BitcoinQt UI in Farsi language because US gov introduced sanctions against Iran!

Can you explain to me, why you think that Blockstream has to fear less issues with the US government than single individuals around the globe?

Blockstream has to fear not less, but more issues with US gov. And thats good! Blockstream is the best that is left of the cypherpunk movement and companies like Cygnus Solutions.

BTW, US gov is a very broad term. There are all different kinds of people there. Certainly, there are such that do not approve the coup d'état that took place during the fall of 2008 in US.

[soullyG]

BTW, US gov is a very broad term. There are all different kinds of people there. Certainly, there are such that do not approve the coup d'état that took place during the fall of 2008 in US.

Do you mean Obama getting elected?

[becoin]

BTW, US gov is a very broad term. There are all different kinds of people there. Certainly, there are such that do not approve the coup d'état that took place during the fall of 2008 in US.

Do you mean Obama getting elected?

No. I mean the capitulation of GW Bush administration to Wall Street extortionists. By the end of 2008 US gov was already a division of Wall Street.

Obama was the choice of the financial capital. With Trump's victory the industrial capital managed to gain some ground back but not too much.

[Torque]

No. I mean the capitulation of GW Bush administration to Wall Street extortionists. By the end of 2008 US gov was already a division of Wall Street.

Obama was the choice of the financial capital. With Trump's victory the industrial capital managed to gain some ground back but not too much.

becoin, you're very observant. I agree.

Bush and Obama caved to the "club" and became club members themselves, the club being the Deepstate - Fed/Bankers/Megacorp/Wallstreet with their Globalist world financial agenda. That is why the MSM largely gave both of them a pass.

But Trump is pushing back, and that's why the Deepstate controlled MSM is out to hang him on something. They want him out of office now because he's not completely on board with selling out the U.S. citizens and continuing the U.S. demise.

[Meuh6879]

Segwit is working fine in Litecoin

Segwit is working fine on TestNet in Bitcoin environment.

[valta4065]

No. I mean the capitulation of GW Bush administration to Wall Street extortionists. By the end of 2008 US gov was already a division of Wall Street.

Obama was the choice of the financial capital. With Trump's victory the industrial capital managed to gain some ground back but not too much.

becoin, you're very observant. I agree.

Bush and Obama caved to the "club" and became club members themselves, the club being the Deepstate - Fed/Bankers/Megacorp/Wallstreet with their Globalist world financial agenda. That is why the MSM largely gave both of them a pass.

But Trump is pushing back, and that's why the Deepstate controlled MSM is out to hang him on something. They want him out of office now because he's not completely on board with selling out the U.S. citizens and continuing the U.S. demise.

Could we stay on topic gentlemen? ^^

Note that I don't mind discussing politics but there is a part on the forum dedicated for that. Especially as I don't see how Trump is linked to BTC price... He won't do anything to make the dollar stronger: I don't think he wants to, he doesn't care at all about his country or its economy, and even if he wanted to I'm not sure he could do anything.

And on topic: Did you see how the price is on the rise again? Do you think there is a link with the segwit2x increasing support?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

No. I mean the capitulation of GW Bush administration to Wall Street extortionists. By the end of 2008 US gov was already a division of Wall Street.

Obama was the choice of the financial capital. With Trump's victory the industrial capital managed to gain some ground back but not too much.

becoin, you're very observant. I agree.

Bush and Obama caved to the "club" and became club members themselves, the club being the Deepstate - Fed/Bankers/Megacorp/Wallstreet with their Globalist world financial agenda. That is why the MSM largely gave both of them a pass.

But Trump is pushing back, and that's why the Deepstate controlled MSM is out to hang him on something. They want him out of office now because he's not completely on board with selling out the U.S. citizens and continuing the U.S. demise.

Could we stop having conversations during sideways action and focus on discussing said sideways action?

Nope.