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[JayJuanGee]

Bitcoin & stability - strange, both things are currently combining.

What's up coming next? A dump or pump?

Probably months of stable prices. Everyone will be going on holiday soon. The big price moves will probably happen in the Autumn after they are back. When this thread's post rate has dried up to one post a day there's usually a big price move imminent.

Yeah, but this time is likely going to be different.

First, we have way too many things going on in cryptolandia

Second, we have way too much trade volume going on currently.  Sure, trade volume might dry up, but it does not dry up over night, therefore, before it dries up, we are likely to experience additional volatile movements, which is not the definition of stability.

[conspirosphere.tk]

BTC Now vs. 2013 by @ECantoni
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/IX1pOLmC-BTC-vs-2013/

[QuantumMiner]

BTC Now vs. 2013 by @ECantoni
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/IX1pOLmC-BTC-vs-2013/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC89i5NVwAAowTW.jpg

spooky 

[Wekkel]

BTC Now vs. 2013 by @ECantoni
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/IX1pOLmC-BTC-vs-2013/

Comparing mega bubbly 2013 with soft run up 2016-2017.

I am a little disappointed 

[JayJuanGee]

BTC Now vs. 2013 by @ECantoni
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/IX1pOLmC-BTC-vs-2013/

Comparing mega bubbly 2013 with soft run up 2016-2017.

I am a little disappointed 

Yeah, but the overlap of charts is actually the pre-early 2013 bubble, and I am not sure if that is meant to indicate that we have not even accomplished the first 2017  bubble, yet.

Personally, I believe that it is frequently erroneous to attempt to read too much into such an attempt at overlapping - because we know that there are so many factors that are quite different in this time frame as compared with early 2013 - including development, adoption, alt-space dynamics, hardfork issue, ability to short bitcoin, spread out liquidation options, longer track record at governmental attempts at regulation, and likely several other unnamed but materially influential factors.

[Torque]

Personally, I believe that it is frequently erroneous to attempt to read too much into such an attempt at overlapping - because we know that there are so many factors that are quite different in this time frame as compared with early 2013 - including development, adoption, alt-space dynamics, hardfork issue, ability to short bitcoin, spread out liquidation options, longer track record at governmental attempts at regulation, and likely several other unnamed but materially influential factors.

And you forgot one more factor. That at that time, 80-85% of all trades were going through a single exchange that later proved to be completely insolvent and likely had been for several years.

[HI-TEC99]

BTC Now vs. 2013 by @ECantoni
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/IX1pOLmC-BTC-vs-2013/

Comparing mega bubbly 2013 with soft run up 2016-2017.

I am a little disappointed 

Yeah, but the overlap of charts is actually the pre-early 2013 bubble, and I am not sure if that is meant to indicate that we have not even accomplished the first 2017  bubble, yet.

Personally, I believe that it is frequently erroneous to attempt to read too much into such an attempt at overlapping - because we know that there are so many factors that are quite different in this time frame as compared with early 2013 - including development, adoption, alt-space dynamics, hardfork issue, ability to short bitcoin, spread out liquidation options, longer track record at governmental attempts at regulation, and likely several other unnamed but materially influential factors.

I read old posts where someone tried overlapping the 2011 rally with the spring 2013 rally. The overlap predicted a bear market, not the second winter 2013 rally to over $1000 that actually happened. Nobody knows what's going to happen next.

[JayJuanGee]

And you forgot one more factor. That at that time, 80-85% of all trades were going through a single exchange that later proved to be completely insolvent and likely had been for several years.

I did mention that there are many exchanges now as compared to few exchanges back in early 2013, and even though MTGOX ended up being a significant differentiating factor in early 2014, I am not sure if the particular issues of MTGOX were further differentiating in early 2013 beyond the mere fact that there were fewer entry, liquidation and trading options at that time.

Maybe one additional thing that I forgot to mention, just for you, Torque, is the advances in numerology that have taken place in the past 4 years.. ?  hahahaha      We cannot forget that, amirite?  

I read old posts where someone tried overlapping the 2011 rally with the spring 2013 rally. The overlap predicted a bear market, not the second winter 2013 rally to over $1000 that actually happened. Nobody knows what's going to happen next.

I am not suggesting that comparisons are not useful, and surely comparisons can be helpful in some regards as long as you take them with a grain of salt and attempt to account for other relevant and material factors.

At the same time, predicting probabilities of up, down or sideways is certainly not random, and some folks seem to have a lot better grasp on direction than others, even if sometimes they just lucky in their prediction or they end up being wrong in spite of calling the probabilities in the opposite direction correctly.

[Torque]

Is it me, or does there appear to be some serious effort going on to push down sub 2700?

It's a numbers thingie majigie!!!!  


You know that.      

I call bullshit. Someone on Stamp keeps smacking down any breach of plus 2700.

[JayJuanGee]

Is it me, or does there appear to be some serious effort going on to push down sub 2700?

It's a numbers thingie majigie!!!!  


You know that.      

I call bullshit. Someone on Stamp keeps smacking down any breach of plus 2700.

Now that I am starting to get used to your style, Torque, it is a bit hilarious how you seem to get so worked up and infuriated over numerology.   

[Torque]

Now that I am starting to get used to your style, Torque, it is a bit hilarious how you seem to get so worked up and infuriated over numerology.  

See this is why you have no credibility here JJG, because you can't even use your own eyes. No one follows anything that you have to say. And the constant numerology bit is a) getting old and b) doesn't even apply here.

[deepcolderwallet]

Could we stay on topic gentlemen? ^^

Note that I don't mind discussing politics but there is a part on the forum dedicated for that. Especially as I don't see how Trump is linked to BTC price... He won't do anything to make the dollar stronger: I don't think he wants to, he doesn't care at all about his country or its economy, and even if he wanted to I'm not sure he could do anything.

And on topic: Did you see how the price is on the rise again? Do you think there is a link with the segwit2x increasing support?

Typical globalist/MSM brainwashed trying to ignore POTUS Donald Trump importance in taking back power to people comment.

[JayJuanGee]

Now that I am starting to get used to your style, Torque, it is a bit hilarious how you seem to get so worked up and infuriated over numerology.  

See this is why you have no credibility here JJG, because you can't even use your own eyes. No one follows anything that you have to say. And the constant numerology bit is a) getting old and b) doesn't even apply here.

Well, that escalated quickly... [insert gif, here].


O.k... let me get back to serious matters.   


The serious matter here is that in the past week or two, Bitstamp has been relatively a bit more bullish than most of the other major exchanges, and in that regard, if Bitstamp's price is a bit higher than others, then doesn't it make sense that dumping is going to take place when it's price is 1 or 2% higher than others, especially if there does not seem to be enough buying support to keep such price rises going?

Yeah, sure most BTC coin holders want BTC prices to rise, but sometimes it is a good thing to allow the buying support to build up and NOT to get too far ahead of ourselves in regards to our bullish BTC price wishes.

In other words, the whole situation looks good, no?  We have a pretty decent ongoing volume level, and overall prices seem to be continuing to trickle up and up and up.. and seems like it won't be too long and we will be testing $3k resistance, again.  So, in that regard, won't it be a bit better of a scenario if we go to test $3k resistance and we have support following along rather than prematurely rushing up to that level, again?

[deepcolderwallet]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

[leowonderful]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

It's probably why the exchange is higher than other exchanges. Not sure why people don't sell as much there though if prices are indeed higher.

[bitserve]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

?

Stamp has 2250BTC up to $3000, whilst bitfinex has around 3000BTC.

There's not that much difference...

[deepcolderwallet]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

?

Stamp has 2250BTC up to $3000, whilst bitfinex has around 3000BTC.

There's not that much difference...

At cryptowat.ch I'm grouping the orders in 10 BTC steps and last value shown is $2760.00 at Bitstamp summing around 500 BTC. While at Bitfinex grouping in 50 BTC the last relevant step is $3400.00 summing 5100+ BTC.

Am I doing something wrong?

[deepcolderwallet]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

It's probably why the exchange is higher than other exchanges. Not sure why people don't sell as much there though if prices are indeed higher.

A few months ago we were calling it Bearstamp because Bitfinex's prices were $100+ over Stamp.

[bitserve]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

?

Stamp has 2250BTC up to $3000, whilst bitfinex has around 3000BTC.

There's not that much difference...

At cryptowat.ch I'm grouping the orders in 10 BTC steps and last value shown is $2760.00 at Bitstamp summing around 500 BTC. While at Bitfinex grouping in 50 BTC the last relevant step is $3400.00 summing 5100+ BTC.

Am I doing something wrong?

I don't use cryptowatch. I use bitcoinwisdom. There's more than 2000BTC up to $3000 at Bitstamp.

P.S.: Oh, so you are comparing how many coins are in Bitstamp up to 2760 vs how many in Bitfinex up to $3400? Well, that explains the discrepancy.

[deepcolderwallet]

I just realised Stamp has around 500 coins in sell orders.
While Finex has 5700+. I never had a clue about the size discrepancy of these two exchanges.
 

?

Stamp has 2250BTC up to $3000, whilst bitfinex has around 3000BTC.

There's not that much difference...

At cryptowat.ch I'm grouping the orders in 10 BTC steps and last value shown is $2760.00 at Bitstamp summing around 500 BTC. While at Bitfinex grouping in 50 BTC the last relevant step is $3400.00 summing 5100+ BTC.

Am I doing something wrong?

I don't use cryptowatch. I use bitcoinwisdom. There's more than 2000BTC up to $3000 at Bitstamp.

P.S.: Oh, so you are comparing how many coins are in Bitstamp up to 2760 vs how many in Bitfinex up to $3400? Well, that explains the discrepancy.

No, you got it wrong. The last value shown for Bitstamp is $2760, which made me believe there weren't no more orders over it. But since you told me another tool (bitcoinwisdom) shows more orders over this value I believe cryptowat.ch is buggy. Try grouping orders in a scale of 10 BTC and tell me if it's different of what I'm seeing here.