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[vokain]

Did that consultant inform you of the fact that your star sign is not actually your star sign? Something 99% of these scammers out there don't seem to realize.

 A horoscope is an astrological forecast. The term is also used to describe a map of the zodiac at the time of one’s birth. The zodiac is divided into twelve zones of the sky, each named after the constellation that originally fell within its zone (Taurus, Leo, etc.). The apparent paths of the sun, the moon, and the major planets all fall within the zodiac. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the equinox and solstice points have each moved westward about 30 degrees in the last 2,000 years. Thus, the zodiacal constellations named in ancient times no longer correspond to the segments of the zodiac represented by their signs. In short, had you been born at the same time on the same day of the year 2,000 years ago, you would have been born under a different sign.

    In fact, there should be 13 signs, not 12. It is this fact of precession which has altered the very constellations from which masses "derive" their charts.
    Precession of the equinox is caused by the fact that the axis of the earth's rotation (which causes day and night) and the axis of the earth's revolution around the sun (which marks the passage of each year) are not parallel. They are 23 l/2 degrees away from lining up; that is, the earth's axis of rotation is tilted. This tilt also causes our seasons, a fact that Ptolemy did understand but that many people do not understand even today. Ptolemy understood that the rotation axis of the earth was slowly precessing, or moving in a circle, with an angular radius of 23 1/2 degrees with a period of around 26,000 years. He deduced this from comparisons of data taken by the ancient Sumerians 2,000 years before his time. He did not understand what was pushing the precession, but he did understand the motion. We now realize that the sun is rotating with a period of around 30 days and that this causes the sun to bulge at the equator, which causes a torque to be exerted on the top like motion of the earth's day and night cycle. There is also a small 18.6-year variation caused by the moon's orbit around the earth, and the moon also has a small effect on precession; however, the sun's equatorial bulge is the main cause of the precession of the equinox, which is why your sign listed in the newspaper, by Sidney Omar for instance, in most cases is removed by one sign from the modern, actual position of the sun at your birth.

I think that was acknowledged for around 2 millenia now. Most astrologers acknowledge precession and do account for it.  There's the whole sidereal vs tropical zodiac discussion which is worth investigating, because it addresses your argument. I just think astrology, at the very least, warrants some more consideration rather than just finding copy pasta online that fits into your current paradigm that no way astrology can work. I thought astrology was BS too, that they just either said general things to convince you or scheming. I'm sure some do, I also think humans are fallible and that's why there's so much inconsistency in astrology and as such, very easy to attempt to discredit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_and_tropical_astrology

and A.T. Mann does take into account precession. Possibly why he was so good at reading me? I don't know, but like I said, it was simply astonishing to witness the way he determined all those things about how I was conceived and grew up with 100% accuracy like that. I did not give him any clues, yet he corroborated everything with what my mom has told me about my prenatal story. simply my anecdotal evidence and a plea to explore more  that of which you do not know or understand fully. there's no harm in knowing more, at least. you never know what you're missing when you close yourself off. besides, it's such a fun way to look at things

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[Its About Sharing]

2013 and people still believe in this shit. I just can't understand it. It's just insane.
Of course NOT ONE PERSON EVER has proven it to be working but that obviously won't stop them. Just a minor detail. It's so sad.

Emotion is not concerned with truth, just with being correct.

Try it, you'll like it. LOL

Not one study has proven love, but I see it all around me...
Nothing will stop it!

Thanks, i just threw up in my mouth a little.
People with these kind of arguments should be put on some island far, far away.

Just for clarifications sake, you have never had a professional reading? So, you are going by what your brain and science tell you is possible and discounting experience? Direct experience should never be overlooked.

Regarding your island, I think the Nazi's were actually working on that as well. And the British had Australia.

[vokain]

Getting a personal reading is not how a scientist investigates something. For Christ's sake.

Also, these buys are interesting. It'd be really nice if the withdrawal issue wasn't here to cloud things up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis


what a peculiar and contradictory guy htough

[ShroomsKit]

"Most astrologers acknowledge precession and do account for it"

I stopped reading there because i'm sure the rest will be bs/lies as well.
Facts seem to be something you people take very lightly. Which of course the only way if you want to believe in idiotic ancient fantasy stories.

[ShroomsKit]

I've made this report for myself:

Code:

http://www.chaosastrology.net/freeastrologyreports.cfm

Trying to analyze it, you could estimate the probability of the report.
For example: "emotionally reactive" and "emotionally cold" can be seen as two options. One correct, one incorrect - 50/50 chance. This could be scientifically tested.

Also, there are statements that are always true:
"Group or community work with high aims (great altruism) would be ideal for you" - I believe that this statement should be true for 90% of people.
"Physical outlets like athletics and exercise are important and should be made lifelong activities." - Who wouldn't agree with this statement?

I've been reading my report for 5 minutes.
50/50 statements are about 1/2 times correct. [Just eyeballing, I didn't calculate the numbers.]
I'm not impressed.

People like him omly remember the hits and dismiss the misses. Very typical behaviour for believers. It's very sad behaviour.

[Frozenlock]

Blitz, I know you're watching to see if we're going to break $100. 

[Its About Sharing]

Getting a personal reading is not how a scientist investigates something. For Christ's sake.

Also, these buys are interesting. It'd be really nice if the withdrawal issue wasn't here to cloud things up

If one is going to criticize something, one should at least experience it (within reason of course).
To have an astrology reading is no big deal, doesn't require blood, etc. I only had one cause it was a friend of a friend and I was really curious. I was an ex engineering student, working IT at the time, super cerebral mind and it just blew me out of the water so I investigated it further. It actually helped me to become more flexible as a human being. It didn't go along with what science had taught me, just like when I first tried (one time experimentation of course) cannabis and realized quite quickly "The government lied to me!" I still appreciate how I was able to hear Hendrix for the first time. ehehehhe
Of my students, only half were open to it. They didn't understand how I told them what I did, so it did break a bit of their paradigm. Direct experience... never discount it. Too much living from what the mind says is possible, seems a bit dry to me, but to each his own.

Regarding the buys, I'm not sure. The buys were HUGE but it doesn't mean it was to move money. It is certainly interesting and I will more than likely wait for a real break and hold above 100 before entering.

[ShroomsKit]

2013 and people still believe in this shit. I just can't understand it. It's just insane.
Of course NOT ONE PERSON EVER has proven it to be working but that obviously won't stop them. Just a minor detail. It's so sad.

Emotion is not concerned with truth, just with being correct.

Try it, you'll like it. LOL

Not one study has proven love, but I see it all around me...
Nothing will stop it!

Thanks, i just threw up in my mouth a little.
People with these kind of arguments should be put on some island far, far away.

Just for clarifications sake, you have never had a professional reading? So, you are going by what your brain and science tell you is possible and discounting experience? Direct experience should never be overlooked.

Regarding your island, I think the Nazi's were actually working on that as well. And the British had Australia.

Ah, a good ol Godwin. I would never have expected that from someone like you. Oh wait, yes i would actually.

[Its About Sharing]

I've made this report for myself:

Code:

http://www.chaosastrology.net/freeastrologyreports.cfm

Trying to analyze it, you could estimate the probability of the report.
For example: "emotionally reactive" and "emotionally cold" can be seen as two options. One correct, one incorrect - 50/50 chance. This could be scientifically tested.

Also, there are statements that are always true:
"Group or community work with high aims (great altruism) would be ideal for you" - I believe that this statement should be true for 90% of people.
"Physical outlets like athletics and exercise are important and should be made lifelong activities." - Who wouldn't agree with this statement?

I've been reading my report for 5 minutes.
50/50 statements are about 1/2 times correct. [Just eyeballing, I didn't calculate the numbers.]
I'm not impressed.

Go to a respected and experienced astrologer and leave the baggage behind. Don't use a free online report, for starters.
To spend 100-300 bucks to test your theory on something we are saying can be life changing, is a very very small price to pay.

[ShroomsKit]

I've made this report for myself:

Code:

http://www.chaosastrology.net/freeastrologyreports.cfm

Trying to analyze it, you could estimate the probability of the report.
For example: "emotionally reactive" and "emotionally cold" can be seen as two options. One correct, one incorrect - 50/50 chance. This could be scientifically tested.

Also, there are statements that are always true:
"Group or community work with high aims (great altruism) would be ideal for you" - I believe that this statement should be true for 90% of people.
"Physical outlets like athletics and exercise are important and should be made lifelong activities." - Who wouldn't agree with this statement?

I've been reading my report for 5 minutes.
50/50 statements are about 1/2 times correct. [Just eyeballing, I didn't calculate the numbers.]
I'm not impressed.

Go to a respected and experienced astrologer and leave the baggage behind. Don't use a free online report, for starters.
To spend 100-300 bucks to test your theory on something we are saying can be life changing, is a very very small price to pay.

Can you show some proof that it actually is real and works or are you just telling people to soend 300 dollars on some made up stories?

[ShroomsKit]

So if someone asks only 50 it's most likely bs but if you pay 300 it will be real.
Damn, i'm happy i'm not living your life dude.

[ShroomsKit]

Maybe you can also explain to me why not one of the millions of the people with their gift has won the 1 million dollar challenge from James Randi?
The good thing is in this case is the "they don't care about the money" exuse the believers always come up with.
It's obvious from your posts they have no problem accepting money.

So what could be the reason not one person has been able to prove what they are doing is legit and win a million dollars with it?

My guess is that's because it's bullshit and they know it. What's your guess?

[elg]

no moderators around to split this thread?

[vokain]

I've made this report for myself:

Code:

http://www.chaosastrology.net/freeastrologyreports.cfm

Trying to analyze it, you could estimate the probability of the report.
For example: "emotionally reactive" and "emotionally cold" can be seen as two options. One correct, one incorrect - 50/50 chance. This could be scientifically tested.

Also, there are statements that are always true:
"Group or community work with high aims (great altruism) would be ideal for you" - I believe that this statement should be true for 90% of people.
"Physical outlets like athletics and exercise are important and should be made lifelong activities." - Who wouldn't agree with this statement?

I've been reading my report for 5 minutes.
50/50 statements are about 1/2 times correct. [Just eyeballing, I didn't calculate the numbers.]
I'm not impressed.

Go to a respected and experienced astrologer and leave the baggage behind. Don't use a free online report, for starters.
To spend 100-300 bucks to test your theory on something we are saying can be life changing, is a very very small price to pay.

Can you show some proof that it actually is real and works or are you just telling people to soend 300 dollars on some made up stories?

unprovable =/= false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems

Granted, that computer report was around 70% correlated for me,  which is why i found it interesting. I entered in other dates, and while some matched up with me, not so much. of course, this is barring confirmation bias. what i meant by insightful is that it warranted more of my attention. it led to me checking out the professional reading to decide once and for all what to think of astro is what did it.

also, randi and astrology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDhxcIaC23k
Kinda neat with hindsight, considering the character Laurie plays in house laurie also likes to play music for people

nothing conclusive of course


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in other news
order books pretty stable

[ShroomsKit]

That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.

[ChartBuddy]

[vokain]

That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.

what's your criteria for proof? I really don't think you can test esotericism on an empirical level. can you prove there is, or more importantly, isn't a god? same idea.

[Frozenlock]

A discussion about astrology wouldn't be complete without Carl Sagan.  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA

[Its About Sharing]

That's a lot of blah blah to explain you have absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Who would've guessed.
And we also both know why there is no proof.
The difference i don't live in denial because i WANT to believe.
Sad to live your life this way. Really, i feel sorry for you.

Debating stuff is kind of fun and mind opening. But can you please stop the personal attacks and insults.
It really makes wanting to talk with you difficult.

Whether or not you agree with what others say, it is no reason to degrade and belittle others opinions.
I offered some help to you, just my perspective and you attack it non stop.

Regarding the price of 100-300 bucks, I meant to get a reputable astrologer. Sometimes more $$ isn't better, that is why you should
get a recommendation and not just focus on price (low or high).

Good luck to you, sincerely,
IAS

[razibuzouzou]

Not so boring week for Mount Gox order book
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